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With the rumoured launched of PS5 Pro and Switch 2 this year, I honestly don't know what the way forward for Xbox is
Klayzer
Member
When all other arguments fail, go to market cap to rally the faithful. Silence on actual Xbox console topics.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
I genuinely didn't know it is performing worse compared to the xbox one.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Correct and underrated statement.
Microsoft's biggest enemy has long been Microsoft. Look at how great Windows is after all these years of having no one to compete with.
Oh, ok. I wasn't sure. Your avatar looked a bit cheeky
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
With all the studios and games they have coming out, all they need to do is just reduce the prices of X and S for the remainder of the gen.
David B
An Idiot
Um..................... Apple and Sony and Nintendo. Apple Macs. iMac, Mac Mini, Macbook Air, Macbook Pro. Sony PS5 disc and digital, PS5 slim disc and digital, as well as way more exclusive games. Nintendo Switch as well as way more exclusive games. Microsoft has problems with Windows errors still. Also there's a big problem right now with Xbox 360 COD games. None of them will sign in anyone. But other Xbox 360 games are fine, no problems with BC on Xbox One and Xbox Series consoles. Hey I'm given Microsoft a chance at least with my 3rd Xbox Series X I bought about a week ago. But they are working with Activision on getting the games back online as I sure can't sign in to any of them COD games right now other than Xbox One and Xbox Series COD games. Microsoft is noted as having more errors and more problems than Apple and Sony.
Edmund
Member
I've never seen anyone more brainwashed than you. You must really love Microsoft a lot.
nordique
Member
I think they’re just going to ride out the series S and X and “reset” for next gen. They might go off cycles where they can pushed stronger hardware in the interim. I have a feeling they realize head on with Sony is a losing battle so they need to change their approach. Their most successful console was the one that came the year before Sony’s mainline
David B
An Idiot
Hey remember what Microsoft said. If they don't make enough sales before 2027, than they will leave the console market.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
IF Xbox were to blow the PS5 Pro out of the water what benefit would it do? Third parties are not going to go above and beyond to maximize the potential. However having said that Microsoft could maximize their first party titles which would help separate them, but I almost feel it's getting to the point of diminishing returns. Once we get to 4K and we can do 60/120 with Ray Tracing there is probably very left that would be "BIG" sure 8K yada yada they will move the goalposts but for a lot of gamers that will be plenty good. AlsoIf xbox were to do that they would have already had to have R&D thermals, and devkits being designed years ago.
They are kinda screwed. I do think they will put something out as a stop gap, We will see a new system probably next year from them as their pro with marginal 10% improvements over the PS5 Pro and than One last ditch effort for Xbox in 2027-2028 To win the Console space. If that doesn't Happen I believe they go third party.
They are kinda screwed. I do think they will put something out as a stop gap, We will see a new system probably next year from them as their pro with marginal 10% improvements over the PS5 Pro and than One last ditch effort for Xbox in 2027-2028 To win the Console space. If that doesn't Happen I believe they go third party.
David B
An Idiot
Nah. Microsoft just be like ok we're going back to just PC now and release some of our games on Steam and battle.net since they own Activision now.
Topher
Gold Member
woahwoahwoah
Neo Member
Their path forward is to put games on consoles people actually buy.
I have a feeling they are going to heavily lean into dual purpose ARM/cloud computing and their portable would be more like a logitech G Cloud hybrid with enough computing power to run some of your games completely offline. That's my crazy prediction for today.
David B
An Idiot
Here you go. I told you I don't lie and I never ever will. https://wccftech.com/microsoft-may-...ers-off-console-dont-increase-enough-by-2027/
Topher
Gold Member
Audiophile
Gold Member
PlayStation's big IPs have an identity that's inextricably linked with the platform and brand. Xbox has Halo & Gears but they're not really in the limelight nor do they command the brand-association anymore (not to mention they're under different studios).
Much of the PlayStation line-up feels like its part of the DNA, they were launched with them and they've grown with them.
Xbox's approach now is just acquire everything. It's not the same in terms of brand perception. Sony laid the groundwork and made a lot more out of a lot less. Xbox rinsed the MS cash reserves and are now narrowly profitable on GamePass.
In the PS360 gen I was the odd one out amongst friends for having a PS3 while everyone else had 360ss. During the PS4/X1 gen it was 50/50. Now I don't know a single person with an Xbox and of those I know who game on PC, not a single one subs to Gamepass. Not a single one expresses any interest in using any other devices for it either. One person picked up an XSS for a couple months to play two games then sold it.
I think they could wrangle back a greater proportion of the traditional console hardware market, but I suspect they're just going to continue circumventing the situation and switch to a third party publisher + subscription service. I believe they planned to go down this path anyway, but I still think they wanted to do it with a greater degree of market share in the traditional space; it would have provided a stronger foundation. But they've utterly cocked up the X1 and XS gens; and are now fully pivoting into this path as if it was the only goal.
I believe Sony still has a more solid core fanbase, more inclined to turn up and blow full price on multiple AAA titles to support games on merit. I worry Xbox might lower the bar too much leading to a soup of subsidised mediocrity reliant on a more fickle subscriber who expects pretty much everything for a small monthly fee.
Ultimately it's about games as well as how tied they are with the platform holder in the consumers' eyes.
I reckon MS do one more full generation of traditional console hardware but all-digital while continuing to push into other devices, subscription services and publishing. While Sony sticks with traditional gens for a few more rounds. Likely launching consoles with readily available, optional add-on drives. MS will push more towards the more casual and Sony will lean more into the hardcore with more premium peripheral options and pro options; consistently putting out big exclusives.
Much of the PlayStation line-up feels like its part of the DNA, they were launched with them and they've grown with them.
Xbox's approach now is just acquire everything. It's not the same in terms of brand perception. Sony laid the groundwork and made a lot more out of a lot less. Xbox rinsed the MS cash reserves and are now narrowly profitable on GamePass.
In the PS360 gen I was the odd one out amongst friends for having a PS3 while everyone else had 360ss. During the PS4/X1 gen it was 50/50. Now I don't know a single person with an Xbox and of those I know who game on PC, not a single one subs to Gamepass. Not a single one expresses any interest in using any other devices for it either. One person picked up an XSS for a couple months to play two games then sold it.
I think they could wrangle back a greater proportion of the traditional console hardware market, but I suspect they're just going to continue circumventing the situation and switch to a third party publisher + subscription service. I believe they planned to go down this path anyway, but I still think they wanted to do it with a greater degree of market share in the traditional space; it would have provided a stronger foundation. But they've utterly cocked up the X1 and XS gens; and are now fully pivoting into this path as if it was the only goal.
I believe Sony still has a more solid core fanbase, more inclined to turn up and blow full price on multiple AAA titles to support games on merit. I worry Xbox might lower the bar too much leading to a soup of subsidised mediocrity reliant on a more fickle subscriber who expects pretty much everything for a small monthly fee.
Ultimately it's about games as well as how tied they are with the platform holder in the consumers' eyes.
I reckon MS do one more full generation of traditional console hardware but all-digital while continuing to push into other devices, subscription services and publishing. While Sony sticks with traditional gens for a few more rounds. Likely launching consoles with readily available, optional add-on drives. MS will push more towards the more casual and Sony will lean more into the hardcore with more premium peripheral options and pro options; consistently putting out big exclusives.
TheGodfather07
Member
We already know what's next. Publish games on all platforms. The question is will Microsoft keep making hardware too for the small portion of xbox fans or will they pack it up?
simpatico
Member
I know it's not going to happen, but if they want to leverage those studios to build the xbox brand it's the only way forward. Joe Normie who buys a PS to play COD, Madden and 2k would give in.
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Guerilla Munch
Member
Sony and Nintendo's first party efforts have only gotten better and better, while Xbox's have only gotten worse and worse. Judging by what they have in the pipeline, I don't see things improving any time soon.
David B
An Idiot
Exactly the same way I said it too. Sony Gran Turismo, Uncharted series, The Last of Us series, Horizon series, God of War series, Killzone series, Infamous series, Ratchet & Clank series. Nintendo Mario series, Pokemon series, Animal Crossing series, Donkey Kong series, Metroid series, Pikman series, Zelda series. Microsoft with Xbox, Gears of War series, Halo series, Ori series, the rest have all just been one single game and not a series.
schaft0620
Member
I was assuming 2023 to 2033, which would be 5 years into the PS6 gen. I think we are splitting hairs here but, Sony has plenty of time to make a CoD clone.
StereoVsn
Member
Yeah, and with the latest news it’s a toss up if there will be an Xbox by then at least in the current sense.
David B
An Idiot
Or Sony buys EA and gets Battlefield exclusive? Let's see here, 2024 to 2034 is 10 years, but if they make it last year it's 2033. I think just because Microsoft owns Activision now, they should stay in the console business anyway and make a Xbox Series Z and call it the pro console and be way more powerful like 24 teraflops twice of the 12 current they have. I mean with Activision and Bethesda they just really have to stay in the gaming business. If they don't I guess Activision and Bethesda games would become PC exclusive.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Phil has openly admitted they’ve lost the console race. So at this point they aren’t going to launch new big expensive shiny hardware to tank their profits more. They’ll look at technology like GeForce now combined with gamepass to provide that onto their existing machines. They’ll leverage cloud, streaming, etc.
If they do another Xbox it’ll be an odd mid step product and not one upping itself.
Best thing they could do is ditch the S, make the X the new S, and then add a Xbox X Pro with juiced specs.
Honestly though without a library of games people want day one they can’t get anywhere else, it doesn’t matter. Xbox is a machine that plays 90% third party games, and is a catalyst to get you into gamepass.
PC users buying Xbox’s don’t exist now or are very few thanks to gamepass on PC. If PS ever introduce the same model for day one exclusives on PC, I’d ditch a PlayStation box too…
If they do another Xbox it’ll be an odd mid step product and not one upping itself.
Best thing they could do is ditch the S, make the X the new S, and then add a Xbox X Pro with juiced specs.
Honestly though without a library of games people want day one they can’t get anywhere else, it doesn’t matter. Xbox is a machine that plays 90% third party games, and is a catalyst to get you into gamepass.
PC users buying Xbox’s don’t exist now or are very few thanks to gamepass on PC. If PS ever introduce the same model for day one exclusives on PC, I’d ditch a PlayStation box too…
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
All of those so excited for ms to depart hardware, if there's no new xbox there's almost zero chance of a ps5 pro. Plus, you probably won't see a ps6 till 2032. Sony will have zero incentive to lose money on new hardware with no user base.
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dorkimoe
Member
This is something they could do almost completely in house and having it run gamepass is all it needs to do. Id kill for that device.
this. Plus youll pay 900 for the system, and ps+ will be 200 a year. We need competition
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gaming_again
Member
I don't see why they can't just embrace being the gaming dudebro console again. Drop all the 'be kind' nonsense on my Home Screen and put out some bald muscley white guy games.
Kabelly
Member
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Elsewhere I've seen a lot of talk about what an amazing year Xbox is likely to have with a bunch of exclusives coming. There's quite a lot of interest in their developer broadcast tomorrow, I'll be playing at least 2 games they show, likely all of them.
I don't personally feel that base PS5/Series X have really hit their stride so I'm ok with not buying a new console this year (will pick up a Switch 2, probably). So, in that sense, I'm quite happy to just keep playing this year's exclusives on Xbox. I'm more interested in that than new hardware.
I don't personally feel that base PS5/Series X have really hit their stride so I'm ok with not buying a new console this year (will pick up a Switch 2, probably). So, in that sense, I'm quite happy to just keep playing this year's exclusives on Xbox. I'm more interested in that than new hardware.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
That's a "take my money" from me.
I've wanted a portable Xbox with cloud saves for years.
twilo99
Member
It’s all over isn’t it ?
After reading a few comments from the most respected members here I’m convinced that Xbox is in fact already bankrupt… dead man walking is the saying I believe.
After reading a few comments from the most respected members here I’m convinced that Xbox is in fact already bankrupt… dead man walking is the saying I believe.
I don't believe who spend the most on PCs actually beat their games seriously, there is actually a relation between sub 1 grand and sub 2 grands build owners who actually beat their games versus 5 grands build owners who don't follow up with their steam library, correct me if I'm wrong.
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I think you are pretty much overestimating impact of PS5 Pro.
PS4 sold almost 120 million consoles. Only 14,3 millions of those were PS4 Pro.
Lucifers Beard
Member
This is it. Xbox are clearly going all in on games and the infrastructure to allow them to be played whenever and wherever. They will always build hardware to play their games, but it's clear that they're not interested in fighting a losing battle in terms of hardware. Nintendo and Sony are leagues ahead in terms of hardware.
Xbox are in it to make as much money as possible and it makes perfect financial sense for them at this point to focus their efforts elsewhere over hardware.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Microsoft is like all Big Tech companies, it's super woke. That will literally never happen again.
Enjoy whatever her name is being the main character of Gears of War!
IlGialloMondadori
Member
Or, even better, just let gamepass run on the steam deck? It already runs on the windows handhelds, is there really a reason to release a portable xbox when the games are on PC already?
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I see this argument all the time on here, and I wonder how it's become so accepted here.
It makes far less sense to spend billions of dollars to create a pipeline of games for your platform, then immediately decide to put those games on other platforms before seeing what impact they have on console sales. Yes, releasing Redfall was a mistake. Yes, Starfield didn't review as highly as was hoped. Yes, lots of games seem to be delayed. But they can't all be delayed forever.
IF Microsoft start doing whatever needs to be done to make their games score in the 90s on metacritic, they'd suddenly become an absolutely essential purchase for anyone who likes games. They'll have more exclusives hitting their systems than anyone else and at this point, for a lot of people there'll be an immediately accessible library of games that they might have missed too. Plus, Gamepass makes it really low cost for people to get access to those games.
Going 3rd party at this point when they've spent years manoeuvring into this position would be a strange decision, IMO. It might be why it hasn't got as much traction anywhere but here.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Bad idea imo. That strategy will not increase sales of physical games in Manchester City nor will it increases sales of consoles that are being sold at a loss.
cireza
Member
Microsoft have been releasing great games for 22 years on consoles. That hyperbole is utterly ridiculous.
StueyDuck
Member
They have a large slate of announced first party games which we've mostly seen CGI trailers for or haven't set the world on fire.
Their path should be getting those games in tip top shape and making them some of the best games ever made.
I'm gonna catch heat here but hellblade 2 while sure has the visuals is looking very iterative to the first one and avowed didn't win the hearts and minds of everyone wanting a new elder scrolls game.
They need to buckle down and really tighten up their first party lineup and maybe get different visionaries behind the wheels of these franchises to bring that fresh/interesting idea that resonates with a large audience.
Their path should be getting those games in tip top shape and making them some of the best games ever made.
I'm gonna catch heat here but hellblade 2 while sure has the visuals is looking very iterative to the first one and avowed didn't win the hearts and minds of everyone wanting a new elder scrolls game.
They need to buckle down and really tighten up their first party lineup and maybe get different visionaries behind the wheels of these franchises to bring that fresh/interesting idea that resonates with a large audience.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Kumomeme
Member
they are impatiently too preoccupied to formulate things that they believe would allow them to instant guarantee domination of the industry, to the point now it might make them got leave behind to the dust again
try to gain everything, but end up with nothing.
lot of their decision and agenda at beginning of generation bite them back right now.
there is more, but personally i believe Microsoft might has way better chance if they just try compete with the usual way rather than trying to change everything and do everything at once. some of stuff is good with potential (like gaming subs service) but they rather to aggresively focused on that new things while ignoring things that already been going on for decade, especially things that define them for generations. their competitor, in comparison just do things that they always do while adapting to industry change(subs and cloud service? fine they do it too but they didnt try to 'bury' what they currently have).
try to gain everything, but end up with nothing.
lot of their decision and agenda at beginning of generation bite them back right now.
- claim that subscription is the future over everything while encourage player not to buy game = end up the subs growth stallled and other gaming publisher prefer platform that allow them to actually sold game (PS5, Switch). they expect the bussiness model would carry their brand, not vice versa with less effort of making exclusive game or pushing the console sales and brand. even recently Tom Warren reveal that the subs growth end up got held back by console sales not the otherway around.
- claim that consoles sales doesnt matter. thats not the 'goal'. the one most matter is gamepass subs = PS5 constantly outsold Xbox 3:1.
this affect point above and platform market size also would play huge bargain point against other gaming publisher. - launch 2 console with an idea to sandwich PS5 in middle with low price and performance advantage = turn out Series S is weaker than expected, PS5 is stronger than TF differences compared to XSX and the existence of Series S held back devs, some company end up prioritize launch on PS5 first. its existence also make them harder to release pro version of XSX. the console design of only digital also tied with gamepass growth
- held 'campaigne' that exclusive bad for industry despite thats what they are actually critically in need and then later change tune once they acquire one of biggest gaming company in the world, for exclusivity.
there is more, but personally i believe Microsoft might has way better chance if they just try compete with the usual way rather than trying to change everything and do everything at once. some of stuff is good with potential (like gaming subs service) but they rather to aggresively focused on that new things while ignoring things that already been going on for decade, especially things that define them for generations. their competitor, in comparison just do things that they always do while adapting to industry change(subs and cloud service? fine they do it too but they didnt try to 'bury' what they currently have).
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Swagballs717
Member
I'll tell you what the way forward for Xbox is, throwing in the towel and going third party
David B
An Idiot
Exactly. CEO of Microsoft just came out with a statement and he said we will be making games available on Nintendo and PlayStation consoles in the future. Satya Nadella himself said it and is placed in many articles accross the web.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
The next nintendo will have significant changes but they have to step up their graphics.
David B
An Idiot
If you haven't read articles it's been released that the next Nintendo console will be about as powerful as the standard PS4.