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[Forbes]‘Helldivers 2’ On Xbox? Even PS5 Players Want It To Happen
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Makes you wonder why Halo and Gears never made it's way to Playstation in that past. But why things NEED to change now....
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why are y'all lying and playing dumb like this? Can we stop the BS? You and a few others are legit smart people and good posters. So why play dumb now?
We comparing game consoles to DVD players now? Really?!
reinking
Gold Member
Well, not DVD but you remember the Blu-ray vs HD-DVD wars?
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Klayzer
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Bad faith arguments is the normal for them, plus a large dose of Sonytoo shenanigans.
BlackTron
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It's even worse with how the Xbox version was stymied by slow update approval process vs. PC version. While HD2 has crossplay. Ouch man.
It would have been pretty funny if Sega ported Alex Kidd to NES and port begged for Mario instead of making Sonic.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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If the game's sales are roughly 50/50 between both platforms, then the active player base is probably also similar, and if it leans Steam then only by a bit. It could also be that in certain territories, more of the active base is on Steam and more of it is on PS5. Transparent CCUs and player metrics for games on PSN from Sony would be nice, but until that happens we can only guess.
If you want to believe the graphic Mat Piscatella put up on Twitter you can go ahead and do such, but it's extremely unrealistic to think that Fortnite and GTA5 each have less than 100K concurrent players across PS5 platforms at peak hours. As to Helldivers 2 finding more fans...how does bringing it to Xbox get them more fans? The vast majority of Xbox owners already have a PC or a PS5, they already have one of the two platforms they can easily go and play the game on. "Xbox is PC and PC is Xbox", remember that mantra? Well considering the sales collapse of the system last year I'd assume a lot of gamers have taken to literally believe that mantra, giving them few reasons to buy an Xbox console.
And yes you are kinda port-begging, it's a weird form of port-begging hiding behind flimsy "pro-consumerism" talk...as if Arrowhead or Sony are discriminating against Xbox players and barring them from getting a PS5 or PC, or buying the game on one of those platforms. Even a half-decent PC can run the game and the game is only $40.
I mention that because we know 100% that if Sony did in fact announce a port for Xbox, the very next thing Xbox owners would start asking would be "Is it coming to Game Pass?". That's how a major chunk of the base has been conditioned over the years. It's sad.
Okay but Helldivers 2 isn't their game, it's Sony's and Arrowhead's, and Sony owns the IP. Why would Sony care about a commitment Microsoft's expected to do for platforms they have vested interests in (Xbox and PC)? Sony's not obligated to put its games on Xbox just because Microsoft's obligated to provide games for Xbox.
It's not 2008 anymore, my guy. You're getting nostalgic over glory years long past gone. Halo is a shell of its former self and most people feel bad for the IP if they don't already laugh at it like it's a meme. Who in 2024 gives a crap about Halo's sales in the 360 era? Is that helping Halo Infinite or 343 stay relevant today? I didn't think so.
Helldivers 1 was also a PS/PC release Day 1 on both platforms, so uh...Helldivers 2 is just continuing that tradition. Plus Sony's always dabbled with PC releases going all the way back to the '90s, like when games such as Wipeout got PC ports, or the Everquest series. Them doing PC releases for GaaS titles isn't really that different from what they did with stuff like Everquest decades ago. That didn't stop them from prioritizing their consoles back then, it shouldn't (and hopefully doesn't) stop them from prioritizing their consoles today.
MLB being on Xbox and Switch isn't much different from Wipeout being on Saturn and N64 back in the day. And the PSVR2 stuff is likely not what people are reading into it being (as it wouldn't make financial sense). Most likely, it's a streaming client for PC VR games on PS5 owners with PSVR2 headsets. That way they can play PC VR games which don't have native ports to PS5, if they're okay with streaming them. Basically an implementation of the PS Portal concept, but for the PSVR2.
IKR? Imagine what we would've missed out on if that happened o.0
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Do you think they do this with streaming services? Of course they don't and they understand why it is the way it is.
Claims that
Cheap article.
Édit: I'm sorry. I've blocked this cancerous Twitter shit, so tweets don't show up in articles like these and I didn't see the author apparently provided one tweet with 28 likes and 2 replies embracing Xbox players. My bad. Definitely "many" PlayStation players.
and provides zero evidence nor examples, not even anecdotic.
Cheap article.
Édit: I'm sorry. I've blocked this cancerous Twitter shit, so tweets don't show up in articles like these and I didn't see the author apparently provided one tweet with 28 likes and 2 replies embracing Xbox players. My bad. Definitely "many" PlayStation players.
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Bernardougf
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This actually is going to be THE POINT going forward .... how far away are we from a time when third party's will start questioning if its even worth to port games for Xbox because their install base is smaller AND they are progressively conditioned to not buy games.
This gamepass strategy really was comercial seppuku
Lucifers Beard
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They probably don't, both Xbox and Sony fanboys are absolutely fucking abhorrent and cannot stand to see the other enjoy the games on their platform.
A lot of them are too dense to understand that more players will mean the game will live longer. Online games really benefit from being on as many platforms as possible.
A lot of them are too dense to understand that more players will mean the game will live longer. Online games really benefit from being on as many platforms as possible.
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JCreasy
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Naw, I don’t want it to happen, LOL. I’d much rather Arrowhead spend their time and resources on continuing to make Helldivers 2 great for PS5 owners, and working towards making their next PS5 project great (do it, Hulst).
Phil trying to flip PlayStation’s success into some moral failing is peak gaslit bullshit. It’s the laziest PR strategy I’ve ever seen.
Xbox has placed a number of bets that haven’t worked out. And some how that’s PlayStation’s fault? PlayStation’s ONLY responsibility is launching successful games for PlayStation. They don’t owe Xbox anything. It’s Phil’s job to make Xbox worth the purchase. No one expects PlayStation to throw Xbox a lifeline.
Xbox customers are NOT PlayStation customers!
Why should I care that people I don’t know bought a mediocre gaming platform that I didn’t buy. All my friends own PS5s. We can play Helldivers 2 together just fine.
Phil trying to flip PlayStation’s success into some moral failing is peak gaslit bullshit. It’s the laziest PR strategy I’ve ever seen.
Xbox has placed a number of bets that haven’t worked out. And some how that’s PlayStation’s fault? PlayStation’s ONLY responsibility is launching successful games for PlayStation. They don’t owe Xbox anything. It’s Phil’s job to make Xbox worth the purchase. No one expects PlayStation to throw Xbox a lifeline.
Xbox customers are NOT PlayStation customers!
Why should I care that people I don’t know bought a mediocre gaming platform that I didn’t buy. All my friends own PS5s. We can play Helldivers 2 together just fine.
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Bernardougf
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Sorry fam, MS were basically trying to buy the whole industry for exclusives plus a heavily subsided subscription service of basically free AAA day 01 gaming only they could have afforded ...with emails detailing the plans to chocke out the direct competition out of business. With xbox fans championing this all the way for "muh warz"
That failed and now you want peace, lets sing kumbaya and make games available everywhere?
Sorry.. but as
Ass of Can Whooping
said " Ya can get fucked"
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Skifi28
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Not even Playstation customers are Playstation customers. Every screen is an Xbox.
Killjoy-NL
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Xbox gamers can buy HD2 on a non-Playstation platform though, so what's the big deal?
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Mephisto40
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Just buy a PlayStation, problem solved
Lucifers Beard
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Why don't you just say PC, since it's the only other platform the game can be played on outside of Playstation?
There is no big deal, my point was that fanboys (no matter the platform) are weird in that they don't want the game on other competing platforms, despite it being great for the longevity of the game.
Killjoy-NL
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Because fanboys don't want to buy a PlayStation, as it's a competing platform.
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Hibs
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Am I on gamefaqs?Sorry fam, MS were basically trying to buy the whole industry for exclusives plus a heavily subsided subscription service of basically free AAA day 01 gaming only they could have afforded ...with emails detailing the plans to chocke out the direct competition out of business. With xbox fans championing this all the way for "muh warz"
That failed and now you want peace, lets sing kumbaya and make games available everywhere?
Sorry.. but as
ChorizoPicozo
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The Xbox fan base is going to have a very rough few months ahead of them. i almost feel bad for them.
Bernardougf
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No .. And You are not on Reee either...so you may find more suport for your lost cause there .. I wish you luck
Pelta88
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Yes MS would cut a check. But this ip is doing way more for PS than “Short Term” monetary gain. Remember, mindshare can’t be purchased. Establishing or continuing to promo your system as the premier place to game has long term, gen to gen resonance.
MS approach to this market will always be surface level. I don’t think they understand the nuances. Which is why they’ll always be in a position where they need to overpay.
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{insert code here}
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Correct take. I think this stems from their leadership being devoid of veteran games industry talent. The best they're able to do is just follow the market whereas in the past they had those kinds of people in charge of Xbox and they were able to lead the market (although it was a fairly short window).
Hibs
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If you call, calling out people here who act like kids, a lost cause, then "shrug".
Though I will say there is a lot of reeeing going on here.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It's cute how "PS5 fans" are not talking about porting Helldivers to Nintendo, but they only want the game on Xbox.
JCreasy
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The purple place banned me for posting this a few years back. I think it's incredibly apt here.
For me, it's always been about taste.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Hardcore Xbox fans should just switch to PC already. It's still a Microsoft platform if you run Windows, and the Xbox integration is basically flawless. Besides who knows if they would even have time for Helldivers 2 since they have Starfield, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Redfall, etc on Game Pass.
demigod
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Hibs
Member
Oh, sorry, I'm inciting fanboy wars? Xbox rat nonsense? Sorry for just calling out people telling others to get fucked, or fanboys getting upset at PC outselling PS for one video game.
Topher
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You can't call those people out directly and not engage in gamefaqs-ish rhetoric like "Sony Ponies"? You can't have it both ways my man.
Hibs
Member
Wait, wait. I thought it was all fun and games around here talking shit about Xbox users, but not PlayStation users?
Topher
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You ain't gotta talk about "users" at all. If you want to call out someone you think is out of line then have at it. There is no call for "sony pony" bullshit any more than "xbot" bullshit. You are going to get yourself banned either way.
Hibs
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You ain't gotta talk about "users" at all. If you want to call out someone you think is out of line then have at it. There is no call for "sony pony" bullshit any more than "xbot" bullshit. You are going to get yourself banned either way.
Okay, let's pretend a majority of users here aren't in the Sony boys club, all taking a shit on Xbox users. And now it's serious. Now I need to call specific people out after tinfoil hat posts about undercover xbox agents trying to undermine the status quo or some bullshit.
Anyway, I agree with you about name calling, which is why I called out that bullshit. I only give what is gotten.
What is there to say about your comment about being banned? I'd find it hilariously hypocritical and move on with my life.
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Topher
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Nothing wrong with calling out "tinfoil hat posts" either my man. But if you are going to compare this forum to gamefaqs while posting as if you are on gamefaqs then the hypocrisy is your own.
Either way....done here. You do you.
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Hibs
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Sorry fam, MS were basically trying to buy the whole industry for exclusives plus a heavily subsided subscription service of basically free AAA day 01 gaming only they could have afforded ...with emails detailing the plans to chocke out the direct competition out of business. With xbox fans championing this all the way for "muh warz"
That failed and now you want peace, lets sing kumbaya and make games available everywhere?
Sorry.. but as
I mean, this is what I was responding to.
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Bernardougf
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Oh you are back ... still screaming at walls with drive by posts with zero argumentation and anger tears in your eyes ? This is going to be a really hard year for you and your friends ... better buckle up.
Hibs
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What are you talking about?
edit, and I'll add. Drive by posts? How did you want me to react to your little tantrum comment? How was I suppose to respond? the same way you're responding now does not require an ounce of thought put into it.
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Bernardougf
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Nah.. not going to engage in Alt burning ... have at it ... but try to keep your mental health, everything will be fine, Thrust Phil.
HeWhoWalks
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And I thought stripping for attention was bad. 
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RGB'D
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Sure they are losing and pivoted. But the writing is on the wall and consoles will not be the dominant consumption forever. I have no allegiance to an Xbox console as a PC main player (but vastly prefer their ecosystem as they actually support PC) so am fine with the MS PS releases. I'm also not afraid of losing my purchases because MS even without hardware will support their platform on PC because it's literally microsoft. I don't see SONY exclusives coming to Xbox but day and date PC makes way too much sense. PCs will outlive consoles so better to entrench sooner than later
FrankWza
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There's some info here. Some key points like evangelizing
Ctrl+Alt+Deceive: All The Dirt, Info, Lies, and LOLs We Found During FTC vs. Microsoft
Here are all the dirt, information, lies, and LOLs we found during the FTC hearing case. Notes: That was a lot of work; I'd appreciate your support. Please keep it civil. This thread is very important because I wanted to compile all the information in one place for posterity and preservation...
Bernardougf
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Good luck trying to play nintendo games on pc ever .. (outside emulators)
And Sony going day 01 pc for all their games make as much sense as it did for MS .... none ... is unbelievable for me how people dosent see how this move in the end diminished the xbox hardware value
Barakov
Gold Member
This will always be the perfect video to describe Microsoft as a company. No matter what they make there's nearly always something really ho-hum about what they put out. There's exceptions to this but it's usually very creative people getting into the right position with the right people backing them up. The original Xbox and the 360 really seem like anomalies at this point. Once the old guard of those two systems left we got the XB1 and the XBSs/XBSX. They're not bad per se but definitely can't hold a candle to those previous two systems not to mention the competition.
And when you talk about the companies and products they bought it looks even worse. I can't think of any time where Microsoft bought a company/product and made it better.
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Mibu no ookami
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You're really dying on that hill huh?
You've really gone out on a ledge with this one. You've misinterpreted the blogpost and there is nothing in the blogpost to suggest this is the case.
Edit: It makes great financial sense. You're assuming that PSVR2 is sold at a loss simply because it is expensive when in reality they are probably selling it at a serious premium. PSVR already received a price drop at this point in its life cycle. Not sure Sony would have built PSVR2 without something similar in mind.
I think by the time this support is enabled, the PSVR2 should likely receive a price cut and should STILL be making money.
It will also help them push GT7 VR and Horizon Call of the Mountain. And it will also get more developers supporting PSVR2 with PC games coming to PS5.
A streaming client makes the least amount of sense. That's a technical hurdle far larger than just allowing native support and that would make developers even LESS likely to develop PSVR2 games, when they could simply put the games on PC and avoid the larger royalties altogether.
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