Martinski43
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Not browsed through the whole thread, but Spawn Wave did a quite a fair review on it recently.
With that tag we all know you don’t want to have a respectful conversation lol. You want to bag Microsoft and Xbox.
The "best effort" profile would need to exist anyway, as the PC space requires options. That's where this glass house falls down.
Basically, you're saying that Sony exclusives (the only games developed that don't already figure in hundreds of hardware combinations) will be hampered by the XSS, which doesn't appear realistic.
And if you really think that's all it takes to streamline lower textures, anti-aliasing, framerates, resolution, and every other setting to get the maximum performance out of a weaker machine, you really have no idea what you're talking about.Oh no, the developers have to change the config file to tell the game to run at 1080p resolution and might need to set ray tracing to false. Two whole lines of text, how will they ever manage.
If there was only one SKU, the weaker profile would be phased out, as PC hardware is already more powerful than console hardware and will be significantly more powerful in a few years.
There would be exceptions, of course, as there will always be developers who develop low-spec games; but for the developers who want to push graphical boundaries; a weaker console hampers them.
I can literally do all of that in my pc game settings. Texture, anti-aliasing, resolution can be all controlled in settings which changes the config file and tells the game engine how to run the game. Lowering the resolution from 4k to 1080p alone will help the xbox series s a lot because 4k is over four times the size of 1080p and very expensive for the GPU to do.That profile is required to exist now, because of the weaker console, for the entire lifespan of that weaker console.
If there was only one SKU, the weaker profile would be phased out, as PC hardware is already more powerful than console hardware and will be significantly more powerful in a few years.
There would be exceptions, of course, as there will always be developers who develop low-spec games; but for the developers who want to push graphical boundaries; a weaker console hampers them.
And if you really think that's all it takes to streamline lower textures, anti-aliasing, framerates, resolution, and every other setting to get the maximum performance out of a weaker machine, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
You’ll find the same people that shit on Microsoft/Xbox constantly are the same people that shit on the switch constantly too. They also believed the vita would outsell the 3ds and kill Nintendo and that the switch would do less than wii u numbers.Not entirely true as people shit hard on the Switch too - it’s a combination of zealous brand loyalty, obsession with graphics and false consensus bias (« everyone cares about cutting edge graphics and frame rate because I do »).
You’ll find the same people that shit on Microsoft/Xbox constantly are the same people that shit on the switch constantly too. They also believed the vita would outsell the 3ds and kill Nintendo and that the switch would do less than wii u numbers.
If the only difference is GPU and VRAM, yes, it is.And if you really think that's all it takes to streamline lower textures, anti-aliasing, framerates, resolution, and every other setting to get the maximum performance out of a weaker machine, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
If the only difference is GPU and VRAM, yes, it is.
CPU + IO is the same and RAM is enough for the target resolution so yes, it's only a matter of reducing graphic expenses and 4K resolution alone is expensive enough to release enough GPU resources most of the times.
It's not like porting the game to One X (last gen) that couldn't handle all non-graphic logic the same way since CPU + IO is too outdated.
Well, I don't think I belong to that casual gamer group (I usually play 4-6 hours/day) and I bought Series S just for those games that are not available for any other system (not even PC) so yes at least one person bought it because of that (but I don't believe I'm the only one). Series S is my first Xbox console so now I can finally play few games I've always wanted to play, like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey and many others. I considered buying Xbox 1X 6 months a go when it was available for 299€ but decided to wait and see what kind of backwards compatibility the new Xbox will have and of course there were strong rumors already about the cheaper system. Series X is better for backwards compatibility (similar to 1x), however I can't justify paying 200€ more for just those few games I've missed in the past. I already bought and played most PS4/Xbox one gen games I want for my PS4 Pro/PC so I don't care it only runs One S games in backwards compatibility mode, I'm not playing those games on my Series S. 1X runs 360 games at a higher resolution, but Series S is good enough for me and it also has advantages like auto-hdr.No One who doesn't have an Xbox is going to pick up a new console to play old xbox games from 12 years ago.
The casual gamer will pick up a Nintendo Switch before an XSS. Sony and Nintendo have far more desired IPs.
You buy a new console to play New games, the mythical customer thats NOT already in MS ecosystem and drooling to buy an XSS to play Halo 3 ODST don't exist. Those customers are buying Nintendo Switches.
So why buy NOW, instead of playing on your Xbox One and waiting a few more years and get Series S at a discount with a bundle of free games?The Xbox One will stop getting new games in a few years though, Series S will be supported the entire generation presumably.
That applies to the Series X too, it has zero exclusives atm.So why buy NOW, instead of playing on your Xbox One and waiting a few more years and get Series S at a discount with a bundle of free games?
See, that's the interesting thing with all the Series S supporters; they all seem to assume the customer are willing to waste money buying Series S when it is at full price, and then wait a few more years until new games start to run on it that justifies the purchase. That does not sound like the kind of customer who is tight with their money at all.
It completely depends on the game. You're not going to have a nice experience playing Cyberpunk on an Xbox One S.So why buy NOW, instead of playing on your Xbox One and waiting a few more years and get Series S at a discount with a bundle of free games?
See, that's the interesting thing with all the Series S supporters; they all seem to assume the customer are willing to waste money buying Series S when it is at full price, and then wait a few more years until new games start to run on it that justifies the purchase. That does not sound like the kind of customer who is tight with their money at all.
It completely depends on the game. You're not going to have a nice experience playing Cyberpunk on an Xbox One S.
And? I thought we established that the target customer only play Fortnite and CoD? That they don't care about graphics? Who is suppose to be the customer here?It completely depends on the game. You're not going to have a nice experience playing Cyberpunk on an Xbox One S.
Well, I don't agree with the poster you quoted, since those games are designed to run even on the base consoles at 60 FPS. I mean Fortnite will run on a phone.And? I thought we established that the target customer only play Fortnite and CoD? That they don't care about graphics? Who is suppose to be the customer here?
It dosent mater if its, $300 or $500, who is going buy this, if u a xbox fan ur going to save up for xsx or wait till it gets cheaper, if ur a nornal gamer ur going to get the ps5 as it is a much better deal at $400, most people buy a console every 5 years or so, no ones gonna waste money on the xss. Mark my words , it will be discontued after a few years.If you have $300 + tax, but not $500 + tax, the Series S is awesome.
Does that help any?
It dosent mater if its, $300 or $500, who is going buy this, if u a xbox fan ur going to save up for xsx or wait till it gets cheaper, if ur a nornal gamer ur going to get the ps5 as it is a much better deal at $400, most people buy a console every 5 years or so, no ones gonna waste money on the xss. Mark my words , it will be discontued after a few years.
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It dosent mater if its, $300 or $500, who is going buy this, if u a xbox fan ur going to save up for xsx or wait till it gets cheaper, if ur a nornal gamer ur going to get the ps5 as it is a much better deal at $400, most people buy a console every 5 years or so, no ones gonna waste money on the xss. Mark my words , it will be discontued after a few years.
Ricky why u reply here, everyone here knows ur one of the biggest xbox fan boys around, no one takes u seriously dude.No one cares what u sayDidn't MS say 40% of the Series sales were the S model? Doesn't sound like nobody would buy it.
And that would be zero dollars, because Xbox One runs current gen games as of now.The series S is brilliant, for those who don't give a fuck and just want to play next gen (I guess current now) games without spending more than what they think is worth it.
Well yeah, that is pretty much the way it is for most generations. Takes about a couple years to see last generation consoles dropped and by then xbox series s will be 250 dollars or less.And that would be zero dollars, because Xbox One runs current gen games as of now.
Ricky why u reply here, everyone here knows ur one of the biggest xbox fan boys around, no one takes u seriously dude.No one cares what u say
“Who is going to buy this?” Well, so far, they have sold every S they have made. So, lots of people?It dosent mater if its, $300 or $500, who is going buy this, if u a xbox fan ur going to save up for xsx or wait till it gets cheaper, if ur a nornal gamer ur going to get the ps5 as it is a much better deal at $400, most people buy a console every 5 years or so, no ones gonna waste money on the xss. Mark my words , it will be discontued after a few years.
Well, so far, they have sold every S they have made. So, lots of people?
And neither is selling very well in Japan, I guess they should just stop selling the Xbox then.Maybe in US. Outside of it? NO! In EU is at stock basically everywhere. World exists outside US, you know
And neither is selling very well in Japan, I guess they should just stop selling the Xbox then.
Dude that argument is weak, 40% of all Xbox series sells came from the series S, that's still people buying it. Just because one region buys it less doesn't mean no one is buying it.
It is out of stock though. Unless you're frenchIt's not weak. If people buying it, XSS would be out of stock, but it's not ( XSX is because people buy that ). And EU territory isn't small.
It is out of stock though.
Fair enough.I've mentioned US in previous post. In EU land is available, especially in big countries like Austria, Germany, France
This is wrong I really wish people weren’t this ignorant, yes the general consumer does care about graphics just like they care about the games that are exclusives to that certain platform. I don’t understand why people like you continue to use this argument when that’s wrong.And? I thought we established that the target customer only play Fortnite and CoD? That they don't care about graphics? Who is suppose to be the customer here?
Fair enough.
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Big countries like Austria? Pissing myself laughing at that mate, where are you from? LMAOI've mentioned US in previous post. In EU land is available, especially in big countries like Austria, Germany, France
Looks like no one is buying PS5 systems either, eek!
Or maybe random pictures don't tell much other than that there was a restock at some point.
Absolutely right BUT one can safely assume by now that the demand for S if much weaker than from S.
By now the S despite having lower production numbers, is much easier to buy.