Maybe re read that post again?
Its not too crazy that the PS5DE was unexpected. That's not saying that the Series S is a reaction to it, just that they were not expecting it and were expecting only one PS5.
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I feel like the Xbox Series S is a waste of time & I don't understand why Microsoft made such a console like the Series S.
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Its not too crazy that the PS5DE was unexpected. That's not saying that the Series S is a reaction to it, just that they were not expecting it and were expecting only one PS5.
Zog
Banned
Suppose I have $500 and an $150 electric bill. Do I 1) Buy the $500 console and not pay the electric bill or 2) Buy the $300 console and pay the electric bill?
fighterman101
Banned
You're missing the point. 200 dollars is a lot to some casual gamers because they won't use the console a lot. Some of the casual gamers literally want to play Madden and COD when it drops for a few months and never touch the console again until next year. And as I said before, consoles offer nothing of value anymore outside of cheap and convenient gaming so it will just collect dust 90% of the year. Why spend the extra 200 dollars a year when you know you will hardly play the console?
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People are not good with money -- I agree with this.
My point of comparing $300 with $500 is that if you need to worry about budgeting $300 for something recreational, then you probably shouldn't be spending $300 period. People aren't good with money though, and gaming is a hobby filled with needless spending.
You're missing the point. If $200 is a lot to you, you don't need to be spending the money. If you are going to play a console a few times a year, then you should only buy it if it's a no-brainer and you have $300+ to flush away.
Zog
Banned
I see, so gaming is only for those who have enough money to think $200 is nothing.
Holy shit, this elitist attitude is not cool.
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fighterman101
Banned
Or maybe they are being smart with their money. Would you spend 200 extra dollars on a product that you will hardly use or save the money like a responsible adult?
I wouldn't buy the product because I don't buy things I don't need. But if I had to make a choice, of course I'd buy the cheaper product. So I suppose "smart with money" is relative here.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Absolutely, they shouldn’t be buying a game console. Gaming is an expensive hobby.
People still will though, so a $200 difference is huge to a lot of people. You only need to look on here and on reeee and reddit etc to see people screaming poor and needing stimulus money, only to also say they’ll buy a game console with it lol. People are dumb, and dumb people are usually financially stupid. They live pay cheque to pay cheque not just because they don’t earn much money, but because they make bad financial decisions.
People on here bitch about a $10 RRP increase of games ffs. They buy probably 2 games a year at that price anyway, but because they’re already spending outside their means it’s a big deal.
I don't disagree with any of this.
fighterman101
Banned
Okay, I guess you don't buy consoles or gaming PCs because you don't need to.
Justin9mm
Member
And that is why PlayStation Exclusives will lead and be console sellers yet again!
That's correct. I have equipment for work that I use secondarily for games. You won't catch me dead with anything at full price, and almost no software that isn't secondhand or deeply discounted.
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fighterman101
Banned
I'm pretty sure you don't need a gaming pc for work and it seems that you're a pirate.
Have you ever heard of selling CD keys via G2A or Kinguin, or buying Steam accounts? There's this thing called the internet.
I'm pretty sure that my line of work requires heavy design resources - a monster GPU, tons of RAM, whatnot. But then again, you seem to know all the answers.
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gtrwll
Member
Well I’ve had it for a month, and I think at this point it was the choice that made the most sense. While the digital PS5 is only 100€ more it doesn’t have Game Pass or anything equivalent, so I would be locked to buying everything digitally from PS Store, and that raises the total investment made significantly.
XSX on the other hand has Game Pass, but not really games that utilize the power of the console fully. At least not yet. And I value gameplay and story much higher than visuals, so in the end I don’t really care if the game I play isn’t running on the best possible graphical settings.
Then there’s also the form factor. I don’t think I could fit either of the ”true” next-gen consoles to my gaming rig without placing them on the floor.
XSX on the other hand has Game Pass, but not really games that utilize the power of the console fully. At least not yet. And I value gameplay and story much higher than visuals, so in the end I don’t really care if the game I play isn’t running on the best possible graphical settings.
Then there’s also the form factor. I don’t think I could fit either of the ”true” next-gen consoles to my gaming rig without placing them on the floor.
Zog
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MrFunSocks
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Ok sorry, I misinterpreted that last bit as them making it in in reaction to, rather than them not expecting it.
I still completely disagree. Both console makers know what the other is doing. The only time it changes is in relation to public reception. From all reports and leaks the ps4 was going to be bundled with the camera and also possibly have online drm. After all, Sony were the ones that introduced the online pass. After ms’s conference they supposedly ditched the camera in the box and reduced the price and also made the sharing video.
MS were making the Series S regardless of what Sony were doing because they’ve made no mistake about their intentions and desire to grab a much larger market than the usual console buyers.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Found the guy that doesn’t understand gaming hardware or development!
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Am I going absolutely nuts, does everybody understand why there is still a market for mid-range graphics cards in a world of fancy brand new $1500 ones? Or why people buy Japanese-made cruisers when Harleys exist at a much higher price.
MS isn't selling boxes, their selling Gamepass subs. They don't care whether you get a Series X as your main device, a Series S as a secondary console, or not even buy a box, and just stream it when X Cloud fully rolls out. They just want your $15 per month.
MS isn't selling boxes, their selling Gamepass subs. They don't care whether you get a Series X as your main device, a Series S as a secondary console, or not even buy a box, and just stream it when X Cloud fully rolls out. They just want your $15 per month.
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Deleted member 471617
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Series S is for those who have no plans to upgrade their TV to 4K/120hz/HDR, don't want to spend a lot of money but still be able to get into next gen gaming for the next 6-8 years and for those who want it as a complimentary console next to their primary console.
Xbox Series S is not for me but it's a brilliant idea that will outsell the Series X come 2022 and beyond as it's a cheap entry point and considering how the world is and that it could get worse, having a cheap $300 console is one hell of a smart decision.
The only negative is that it's digital only. If there was a disc slot, it would be even more of a steal at $300. All depends on what the consumer is looking for and how much money they want to spend.
Xbox Series S is not for me but it's a brilliant idea that will outsell the Series X come 2022 and beyond as it's a cheap entry point and considering how the world is and that it could get worse, having a cheap $300 console is one hell of a smart decision.
The only negative is that it's digital only. If there was a disc slot, it would be even more of a steal at $300. All depends on what the consumer is looking for and how much money they want to spend.
Kagey K
Banned
Why does the Samsung 6 series exist when they have an 8 series? why is there an LG BX and CX?
You see so many here argue that they aren’t going to pay hundreds more for a TV with HDMI 2.1, when they can get something similar for Cheaper.
Now translate that same thinking to consoles.
You see so many here argue that they aren’t going to pay hundreds more for a TV with HDMI 2.1, when they can get something similar for Cheaper.
Now translate that same thinking to consoles.
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LordBlodgett
Member
I have two cousins who bought a Series S for their kid(s) this Christmas. I think it might be hard for the kind of dedicated gamers on here to understand, but the cheapest console is usually what parents go for. This basically replaces the One S in the lineup. Is there a cheaper or easier way to get something for your kids to play Minecraft, Fortnite, or Roblox on?
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
meh. I dont think MS’ masterplan was gamepass, they put more focus on it when hardware sales started tanking. And in the long run I dont really see MS as the best candidate to become the Netflix of gaming seeing as they suck at exclusive content. Unless their plan is to just keep buying every IP and studio.
Kagey K
Banned
You delivered the same quality nonsense as usual.
Congrats.
I look forward to the day you stop repeating yourself.
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Riky
$MSFT
" It feels just like the Xbox One and plays like it too. I don't see any difference in performance and visuals"
I would seriously get your eyes checked.
Watch Dogs Legion, see the Ray Tracing , you can't see that?
Valhalla, it runs at twice the framerate, that isn't performing the same at all.
Warzone, it runs at 120fps instead of nearer 40fps on Xbox One, anyone could tell that instantly.
Dirt 5 it can run at 120fps instead of about 40fps on Xbox One.
Loading times are a fraction of Xbox One.
Quick Resume, you didn't notice that?
Gears 5 runs at twice the framerate with upgraded visuals.
I could go on but it's pointless, it would be like saying you couldn't tell the difference between a PS5 and a PS4 Pro.
I would seriously get your eyes checked.
Watch Dogs Legion, see the Ray Tracing , you can't see that?
Valhalla, it runs at twice the framerate, that isn't performing the same at all.
Warzone, it runs at 120fps instead of nearer 40fps on Xbox One, anyone could tell that instantly.
Dirt 5 it can run at 120fps instead of about 40fps on Xbox One.
Loading times are a fraction of Xbox One.
Quick Resume, you didn't notice that?
Gears 5 runs at twice the framerate with upgraded visuals.
I could go on but it's pointless, it would be like saying you couldn't tell the difference between a PS5 and a PS4 Pro.
Yui's Empire
Member
I bought a Series X for myself and a Series S for my partner. The latter is hooked up to a 1080p monitor, while the Series X is rocking on a 4K HDR set. Aside from the differences in size, resolution and the lack of HDR on the monitor, games I tried run and look virtually the same, but with the added benefit of the fast SSD, Quick Resume and all the other new features. It's a console that costs 40% less, but does a fine job if you're not a graphics maniac, on a tighter budget and, most importantly, aren't planning to upgrade to 4K and beyond anytime soon.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
You delivered the same quality nonsense as usual.
Congrats.
I look forward to the day you stop repeating yourself.
ivan.k
Member
You have no point.
SoloKingRobert
Banned
You're right. Xbox Series S offers value for casual consumers for the like of Xbox Game Pass, compared to £70/$70/€80 games.
turtlepowa
Banned
After the release of the PS Pro Sony still sold 80% normal PS4 even though for just around 100 bucks more people could have double the power. That's why Series S exists.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Sorry OP, but you did make a huge mistake in buying it. The console is a last gen machine.
I’d rather play on the X1X over the XSX.
I’d rather play on the X1X over the XSX.
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ivan.k
Member
You're missing the fact that XSS is much more powerful than X1X. And it's pretty obvious you have no idea what are you talking about if you're saying nonsense like that.
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Riky
$MSFT
The XSX is totally superior to the X1X, what are you talking about?
megreotsugua
Banned
No one should support or buy this so it will be phased out sooner than later.
Chukhopops
Member
I think the Series S was based on the assumption that Sony would go 499/599 instead of 399/499. It’s a clever product but not at the right price point yet since there’s not a massive difference with the PS5 DE.
At 50€ less or bundled with 6 months of GP (or bundled with FIFA or CoD) it becomes really interesting for:
- people with tight budgets
- second console for kids (since it’s very easy to share the same account in the same household)
- people who want a media center option that’s not a giant white spaceship
Right now MS sells aggressive bundles with GP but only for the One S, in order to finish the stocks. Once it’s done I believe they will be more aggressive on the Series S too.
At 50€ less or bundled with 6 months of GP (or bundled with FIFA or CoD) it becomes really interesting for:
- people with tight budgets
- second console for kids (since it’s very easy to share the same account in the same household)
- people who want a media center option that’s not a giant white spaceship
Right now MS sells aggressive bundles with GP but only for the One S, in order to finish the stocks. Once it’s done I believe they will be more aggressive on the Series S too.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Agreed on the pricing and their positioning of XSX and XSS. I do not think they were prepared for Sony’s SKU’s and their pricing which worked really well for Sony.
I think there are much cheaper media center options once you take disc movies playback out of the equation and with some of them you are a Bluetooth controller away from gaming too.
This is also a race against time, against 4K TV’s adoption and XSS has already fallen behind the marketing promise of XSX visuals at 1440p and I think this message got to the public too.
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THE DUCK
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Agreed, the s is a massive step up from a regular xbox one.
I wonder how this whole conversation goes next christmas if the elite consoles are at the same price and the series s is $199 and is flying off the shelves still.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yeah well, although this is correct it is not the interesting part. You do $299 as a must at lunch for a reason and you compromise this much to hit $299 again for a reason and those are the reasons they made XSS.
BigLee74
Member
Your xbox plays like an xbox? You see no difference in performance? Okaaaay.
My son got one for his Xmas, and he loves it compared to his one S. He loves how small it is, how quiet it is, and how his old crappy running games now run well (he's particularly happy with Ark).
He also only has a 1080p TV, and so the X would have been overkill.
My son got one for his Xmas, and he loves it compared to his one S. He loves how small it is, how quiet it is, and how his old crappy running games now run well (he's particularly happy with Ark).
He also only has a 1080p TV, and so the X would have been overkill.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think they rather make a new half step update XSS Pro and XSX Pro a few years more down the line than cut the price of the XSS massively and also increase its volumes, but sure they may discount that much it if they wanted to clear existing stocks.
Riky
$MSFT
Exactly.
Microsoft seem pretty adamant we are not going to see the big die shrinks and therefore cost reductions that previous gens have given us, so you have to presume that goes for Sony too.
In the UK the Series S has started at £249, looking on Amazon today that's cheaper than a PS4 and Xbox One S.
How long before it gets to £199? That would be amazing value for what you get. I use mine as a second console on the bedroom on a 1080p TV, it basically gives me a similar experience to my Series X when the rest of the family is on the main TV.
I see it as a bedroom console myself, perfect for kids as it's small, powerful, totally quiet, cheap and can play Fortnite, Minecraft, Call Of Duty and GTA no problems, I wouldn't use it as my main console bit it has its place.