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Isn't craig usually smiling? or is he showing his disapproval of the male gaze that's on display in this thread
Isn't craig usually smiling? or is he showing his disapproval of the male gaze that's on display in this thread
I has nothing to do with the 3D scanning of the faces. You still have directors and artists making the their own judgement on what to include and what to tweak. The scanned data is just a very helpful foundation.To me, they are really important. I hate hate hate this new facial scanning tech because it takes super attractive models and makes them ugly as fuck. I miss the days when faces were just modeled and rendered by developers, because then you had a chance of the character looking attractive.
It's not even just about female characters either. I didn't play the original Nier for a few years after it came out because the main character got beaten severely by the ugly stick. Then again, I always prefer stylized art to realistic for almost all genres of games.
Not that I don't believe you, but do you have examples of facial scanning models looking actually good? I guess some of that is subjective but then let's just say looking equal to the person being scanned? There certainly are enough examples of the opposite like DMCV, ME:A, Control, etc.I has nothing to do with the 3D scanning of the faces. You still have directors and artists making the their own judgement on what to include and what to tweak. The scanned data is just a very helpful foundation.
My point was that you can make a beautiful or mediocre face with or without 3D scans. The data is just a helping foundation that you can tweak whoever you like. It's VERY hard or almost impossible to achieve a semblance of photo realistic leaning art without photos or 3D scans, even if you have years of studies under your belt. Reality has so many surprising unexpected and interesting combinations that it's better to find real world models to base you characters on.Not that I don't believe you, but do you have examples of facial scanning models looking actually good? I guess some of that is subjective but then let's just say looking equal to the person being scanned? There certainly are enough examples of the opposite like DMCV, ME:A, Control, etc.
The only good ones I can think of are the Resident Evil remakes.
Agree completely, although the developers still take liberties after the scan to make the females less feminine like they did with the control chick making her jaw more squareTo me, they are really important. I hate hate hate this new facial scanning tech because it takes super attractive models and makes them ugly as fuck. I miss the days when faces were just modeled and rendered by developers, because then you had a chance of the character looking attractive.
It's not even just about female characters either. I didn't play the original Nier for a few years after it came out because the main character got beaten severely by the ugly stick. Then again, I always prefer stylized art to realistic for almost all genres of games.
Agree completely, although the developers still take liberties after the scan to make the females less feminine like they did with the control chick making her jaw more square
I also didn't buy fallen order, since I didn't want to play as this derpy looking ginger who had a meltdown on twitter because people were modding him to look better
Looks like modders got your backTo be honest I didn't buy this game because of the look of the character.
If there was some form of character creation or something in the vein of KOTOR I would have bought this title.
Should have been a chick, an attractive chick, if ginger, would look like Fem Shepard like in Mass Effect 3.
My post was just a joke and to show that faces can look horrible and break immersion in games. Some games get faces so horribly wrong like the Mass Effect gif i posted, that it just looks so bad and can be very distracting. Other games get decent handle on faces and animation.What is there to be confuse about bro? i play the game for it gameplay not to stare at the faces if i want to do that i watch a movie.
Holy shit, I had no idea this game was getting these mods. That Vader one looks amazing.Looks like modders got your back
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I might have to buy it for this darth vader mod
no one wants to play as that whiny soy faced ginger, he had a very public meltdown when people started modding his looks, which of course only encouraged the modders to take it to the next levelHoly shit, I had no idea this game was getting these mods. That Vader one looks amazing.
For a not-so-realistic character model Alice was very appealing.
I never played outer worlds but I saw the female characters models in game were disgusting.
At least you could create a good looking character, but for example when the game includes a romance and every female option looks like shit, it makes me think something is wrong.
That's because of the huge budget of ND, but it has nothing to do with the character itself.
She could be beautiful and still have the same animations, they just chose to make her look bad.
Abby’s face model is a real person. They didn’t “choose” to make her ugly.
same thing with the lady from Control. It’s a real person’s face.
Ghost of Tsushima is the same. Every character in that game is modelled after their English voice actors, yet they were called ‘ugly.’
I mean it's not hard this is a japanese developer, notice how the video game character retains all of the real life model's feminine shape
Now here's aloy and her equally skinny face model, notices the widening and increased squareness of her jaw and added fat she's almost unrecognizable after they derped her up, so they either "chose to make her ugly" or they're really bad at their jobs
If you add another lmao maybe we will have to agree for sure that what you say is right.Aloy looks fine lmao. I'm pretty sure the change in appearance is due to the actress in question being in her 30's, and Aloy meant to be a teenager. There's always slight differences in appearance and that's due to mocap. They change the character's appearance slightly to fit the voice actor doing the performance capture.
If they wanted the character to be ugly they wouldn't have....wait for it...used an attractive person as a base.
I do think a lot of this 'muh feeeemale characters r ugly!' nonsense comes because developers have started using real people as the basis for their characters, and most people on gaf and other such forums aren't used to seeing real humans lmao
Aloy does look uglier than her real life model. They use a model, and yet part of Aloy's appeal with people is that she isn't 'model esque' beautiful. You don't see the disconnect? She looks like Tommy Pickles.Aloy looks fine lmao. I'm pretty sure the change in appearance is due to the actress in question being in her 30's, and Aloy meant to be a teenager. There's always slight differences in appearance and that's due to mocap. They change the character's appearance slightly to fit the voice actor doing the performance capture.
If they wanted the character to be ugly they wouldn't have....wait for it...used an attractive person as a base.
I do think a lot of this 'muh feeeemale characters r ugly!' nonsense comes because developers have started using real people as the basis for their characters, and most people on gaf and other such forums aren't used to seeing real humans lmao
Op..... You Do know both Abby and Jesse are mocaps of actual people right?Is it enough to tolerate it even if the face is unpleasant, ugly or does not agree with you.
I guess most of you would go for the band-aid fix and put a helmet or paper bag over it, examples Dark Souls and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion having pretty bad character creation, best hide it with a helmet.
But some times the video game industry really has gone dirty with it and release pretty shitty defaults. You all know what I'm talking about.
Mass Effect Andromeda
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider
compared to Tomb Raider (2013), this face is clearly superior in this version.
Marvel's Avengers clearly listened to the feedback. Going from this:
to this:
the jowls have shrunk giving her face a more feminine feel, and I'm glad they listened to feedback.
Something similar happened with Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.
Hell, there was a lot of backlash with Sonic the Hedgehog movie.
How important is character video game faces to you?
Is it enough to not warrant a purchase because the character is ugly?
Hell, I know I didn't purchase Control and The Last of Us Part 2 games because these characters were ugly as fuck.
LOL @ Abby and DanteIs it enough to tolerate it even if the face is unpleasant, ugly or does not agree with you.
I guess most of you would go for the band-aid fix and put a helmet or paper bag over it, examples Dark Souls and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion having pretty bad character creation, best hide it with a helmet.
But some times the video game industry really has gone dirty with it and release pretty shitty defaults. You all know what I'm talking about.
Mass Effect Andromeda
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider
compared to Tomb Raider (2013), this face is clearly superior in this version.
Marvel's Avengers clearly listened to the feedback. Going from this:
to this:
the jowls have shrunk giving her face a more feminine feel, and I'm glad they listened to feedback.
Something similar happened with Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.
Hell, there was a lot of backlash with Sonic the Hedgehog movie.
How important is character video game faces to you?
Is it enough to not warrant a purchase because the character is ugly?
Hell, I know I didn't purchase Control and The Last of Us Part 2 games because these characters were ugly as fuck.
To be honest I didn't buy this game because of the look of the character.
If there was some form of character creation or something in the vein of KOTOR I would have bought this title.
Should have been a chick, an attractive chick, if ginger, would look like Fem Shepard like in Mass Effect 3.
Attractive faces sell games.
Ugly faces (as in poorly modeled faces) create memes and disappointment.
Omfg they slaughtered her beautyI mean it's not hard this is a japanese developer, notice how the video game character retains all of the real life model's feminine shape
Now here's aloy and her equally skinny face model, notices the widening and increased squareness of her jaw and added fat she's almost unrecognizable after they derped her up, so they either "chose to make her ugly" or they're really bad at their jobs
Op..... You Do know both Abby and Jesse are mocaps of actual people right
And to have the audacity to suggest that Lara's TR13 model with it's weird looking eyes and emotions looks better than Rise of the Tomb Raider, i'm sorry OP but it’s seems fapping too much to hentai has caused irreparable brain damage.
The most cringeworthy aspect of all this shit is the ridiculous narrative that game developers are all held to ransom by the oppressive choke hold of the “SJW agenda”.
Truth: We actually WANT to make good games, inclusive games, games that disregard your toxic gamerbro bullshit.
— Boon Cotter (@booncotter) June 16, 2018
What is makeup and Photoshop? what is imperfect face modeling technology? also square jaws isn't a particularly male characteristic either.Here's control real life actress compared to her video game model, notice the same thing the squaring of the jaw, the elimination of any feminine curvature, her in game body model is like 20 lbs heavier than her actual self
It's not about "fap bait" it's about making characters appealing and not distractedly ugly, why do movies always star beautiful people? why is sex appeal used in marketing? males and females both want to see attractive people.What is makeup and Photoshop? what is imperfect face modeling technology? also square jaws isn't a particularly male characteristic either.
As for GOT you do realize woman in those times weren't exactly super models who have sufficient nutrition/sleep etc, and considering they're also mocaped from actual people and SP desire for a more grounded experience, your whole conspiracy theory is moot.
You know i thought by this point people would accept that not every game needs characters that are just there as fap-bait and that's ok, you still got games that still do that but their target audience was never mass appeal which is also ok.
Whew lad, have a nice day!It's not about "fap bait" it's about making characters appealing and not distractedly ugly, why do movies always star beautiful people? why is sex appeal used in marketing? males and females both want to see attractive people.
lol that image is clearly talking about TLOU 2 and Ghost of Tsushima (which I am not sure why you linked it in this thread but whatever).Whew lad, have a nice day!
I put it in a spoiler because it perfectly illustrates the ridiculousness of this whole "culture war" and this whole "where's my kawai waifus! You damn SJWs/Sexist devs mind your male gaze you pigs i was just virtually raped!".lol that image is clearly talking about TLOU 2 and Ghost of Tsushima (which I am not sure why you linked it in this thread but whatever).
TLOU2 fans surely didn't like the user score of GoT, and actually I never sympathized with the people that bought TLOU2 and then went to the forums crying about wasting 60$.
I mean, the leaks were there since the beginning, they just chose to don't believe them.
Is it enough to tolerate it even if the face is unpleasant, ugly or does not agree with you.
I guess most of you would go for the band-aid fix and put a helmet or paper bag over it, examples Dark Souls and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion having pretty bad character creation, best hide it with a helmet.
But some times the video game industry really has gone dirty with it and release pretty shitty defaults. You all know what I'm talking about.
Mass Effect Andromeda
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider
compared to Tomb Raider (2013), this face is clearly superior in this version.
Marvel's Avengers clearly listened to the feedback. Going from this:
to this:
the jowls have shrunk giving her face a more feminine feel, and I'm glad they listened to feedback.
Something similar happened with Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.
Hell, there was a lot of backlash with Sonic the Hedgehog movie.
How important is character video game faces to you?
Is it enough to not warrant a purchase because the character is ugly?
Hell, I know I didn't purchase Control and The Last of Us Part 2 games because these characters were ugly as fuck.
it's about making characters appealing
why do movies always star beautiful people?
why is sex appeal used in marketing?
?? Ok listen to what you are saying though. That isn't something that is objective, what is "appealing" to you, might not be for others.
Always? Nah bud. Forest Whitaker is not being put in a film for sex appeal. Not every damn thing exist to be fapped to bud lol
Keep in mind, many films will even have actors makeup done to FIT THE DAMN ROLE!
So understand.....this role was done this way to fit a narrative.
but hey, let me guess....if this was a video game you just can't buy it cause they made the character "ugly" completely disregarding the point of the actual game, film, show etc? smh
Silly man. Its just silly.
Oh you are correct, its used in marketing, but in things that actually make sense. Make up, clothes, other advertisements, but understand a film like Monster which is a biopicture or a game like The Last Of Us or many games for that matter are not fucking Revlon ads...
If someone is making a film or video game or show etc. They are setting how that character looks to either match realism or fit a theme or narrative etc. They are not all looking to make the game look like some weird make up ad lol Thats just not the goal of all artist man, myself included. I don't create based on something like this as if I want a character to look good, thats simply a choice, but NOT ALL THE CHARACTERS as clearly that isn't sooooooo common that everyone is going to look "attractive". Only way that would even make sense is if the whole world was in some cyber reality were most humans were in robots to suggest a manufactured, samey copy and paste look, but to just do that in a game JUST BECAUSE you get hot from it makes no sense.
I'd have to sit back and question why the fuck everyone in this game look like they are all in a American Eagle ad lol
Its like trying to pretend that 90210 REALLY represents high schools kids in the 90s or something smh Yea...they all looked like models? In what high school and reality was that happening in? lol
It just sounds massively fake, copy and paste and I'd argue makes me less engaged.
Man, Carey Mulligan is too adorable.Sherry Birkin from Resident Evil 6 looks pretty good.
Must have based her likeness from this person?
She's also in Drive one of my favorite movies of all time, I'd recommend anyone to check it out, even the male-fems on this thread would enjoy itMan, Carey Mulligan is too adorable.