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Game of Thrones - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Season 1 - Sundays on HBO

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The Albatross said:
I'm a little concerned with how Season 2, 3, and hopefully, 4 could play out with a couple of main characters... Mostly:

(book 2 & 3 spoilers, some 4)

Sansa & Arya. Now, we all know most people right now are hating on Sansa, but really, she becomes just sort of like an unfortunate loser in the next couple of books... wallowing in her highborn prison, unable to leave, with very little action around anything that happens to her. Really, the stories of Arya and Sansa are just depressing, with so few "victories," and a lot of frustrations... Arya basically goes from town to town with these high hopes that get utterly dashed, and while fans of the books are committed to the over-all story that will play out in the last three books, I think it's hard for TV show watchers to follow what will be one of their favorite characters being driven to "character development hell" for 3 seasons.

Also -- when are we going to see more of Jon on the show? My GF is in love with him and he's been absent for a few episodes now.

Episode 7 spoilers:
Episode 7.
 
Episode 6 is a gif gold mine:

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Mental note: skip the turtle stew at Casterly Rock
 
The Albatross said:
I'm a little concerned with how Season 2, 3, and hopefully, 4 could play out with a couple of main characters... Mostly:

That sort of emotion is a good thing...it'll keep people watching to see resolution.
 

bengraven

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I'm assuming Ros will (book2)
be Theon's girl when he takes Winterfell, replacing the other (Kara? I want to say?). The one he sleeps with in Ned and Cat's bed.
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I want a spin-off about honeycombs and donkeys

Although now that I think about it, I'm sure George will put that in a later book. There aren't many ways left for him to surprise in that area
 

Lirlond

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The Albatross said:
Also -- when are we going to see more of Jon on the show? My GF is in love with him and he's been absent for a few episodes now.

I've not seen 7(Sky atlantic aren't doing a double feature >:) but he should be in that, and he also has a pretty important scene in episode 8 or 9
Killing the wights who attack Mormont
so I don't doubt he'll be in the last 4 episodes.
 
Tyrions confession from Episode 6 is on YouTube... this is such a great monologue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngs6UlgbYIU

"When I was 12 I milked my eel into a bowl of turtle stew... Flogged the one-eyed snake.. skinned my sausage.. I made the bald man cry.. [jerk off motion] into the turtle stew, which I do believe my sister ate, at least I hope she did..."

Oh Tyrion <3
 

bengraven

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Seeing Harry Lloyd, the actor who plays Viserys, you sort of feel bad you won't see more of him... because he really transforms the character. He's more unfortunate on the show, I think, than he comes off in the book. In Book 1, he comes off as being somebody that you really hate, but almost more of an annoyance, but in the show, he's played so well as being somebody who you almost feel bad for, because his madness is just so far reaching... He's just so oblivious to himself.

This isn't a spoiler, but it's generally revealed throughout the books that due to the Targaryens incest, there are always mad children born... "The Mad King Aerys," and likely, Viserys. It seems through the show that Jorah Mormont begins to put this together, while also simultaneously falling in love with the regency of Dany becoming a queen in her own right.
 

scosher

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Gonaria said:
you know, I didnt think it was possible, but I think I hate TV Sansa more than I do book Sansa. Good god, what a rude, selfish little brat. That whole scene with Joffery was just vomit inducing creepiness.

I think my bigger hatred of Sansa is that in the TV show she seems delusionally selfish instead of stupidly naive like in the books. Both bad character qualities, but at least you can feel for the stupidly naive

I agree, but I think that's a consequence of aging up Sansa, rather than the writer or actress' portrayal of her.

I mean, in the book, Sansa is only 12-13, so she comes off as just a naive child. Here, she's 15 (and standing 5'9), so she comes across as a very selfish, petulant teenager.
 
The Albatross said:
Seeing Harry Lloyd, the actor who plays Viserys, you sort of feel bad you won't see more of him... because he really transforms the character. He's more unfortunate on the show, I think, than he comes off in the book. In Book 1, he comes off as being somebody that you really hate, but almost more of an annoyance, but in the show, he's played so well as being somebody who you almost feel bad for, because his madness is just so far reaching... He's just so oblivious to himself.
Agreed. I thought his character on the show had a lot more depth than what I picked up in the books. Harry Lloyd did a great job.
 

ultron87

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scosher said:
I agree, but I think that's a consequence of aging up Sansa, rather than the writer or actress' portrayal of her.

I mean, in the book, Sansa is only 12-13, so she comes off as just a naive child. Here, she's 15 (and standing 5'9), so she comes across as a very selfish, petulant teenager.

I think the scene with her and Joffrey in this episode helped to mitigate this a little bit (for me at least) since it actually showed him being not an absolute little shit for once. You could actually see a reason that she feels something for him beyond the allure of being an eventual queen.
 

KingGondo

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The Albatross said:
Seeing Harry Lloyd, the actor who plays Viserys, you sort of feel bad you won't see more of him... because he really transforms the character. He's more unfortunate on the show, I think, than he comes off in the book. In Book 1, he comes off as being somebody that you really hate, but almost more of an annoyance, but in the show, he's played so well as being somebody who you almost feel bad for, because his madness is just so far reaching... He's just so oblivious to himself.

This isn't a spoiler, but it's generally revealed throughout the books that due to the Targaryens incest, there are always mad children born... "The Mad King Aerys," and likely, Viserys. It seems through the show that Jorah Mormont begins to put this together, while also simultaneously falling in love with the regency of Dany becoming a queen in her own right.
Harry Lloyd really helped his career with this role, he was absolutely fantastic.

Also, re: Targaryen madness, it's not like Daenerys is exactly "crazy-free" either. She has already displayed megalomaniacal tendencies, and the final line of episode 6 really hammers home how much she has changed.
 
Woah!! What a finish to ep 7!!!


KingGondo said:
Harry Lloyd really helped his career with this role, he was absolutely fantastic.

Also, re: Targaryen madness, it's not like Daenerys is exactly "crazy-free" either. She has already displayed megalomaniacal tendencies, and the final line of episode 6 really hammers home how much she has changed.

Well... as an actor, he played the part perfectly, in that he did a brilliant job in making me hate his character and eye'rolling but not to the point of it being annoying and disliking watching him.

It's SO SO difficult to be a bad character and get it right like that so I would have to agree.

My gosh, the way he went out - possibly one of the most epic things I've ever seen in anything ever... so good.
 
Cornballer, in the NY Magazine comments of the episode, there is a great thought:

When counting scenes that they really liked:

2. Robert's "those were the days" smackdown. There's never really been a golden age for Westeros, at least not according to Renly, which makes the King's increasing despondence even more troubling: What if people look back on this as the best things ever got? Oy.

Pretty thoughtful exposition on the series that you don't give much consideration.

Spoilers for Books 2 - 4, although this stuff is all pretty obvious:

With the shit hitting the fan very soon, will the common people look back on Robert's rule warmly, the same way that they did with somebody like Baelor the Blessed / the Beloved. Heck, Robert ruled during "the long summer," and aside from a Greyjoy rebellion, things have been pretty sweet for Westeros. Robert's inability to rule and his unfortunate mating certainly spells doom for all of the common people over the course of Book 2 and Book 3, but the common man will simply look at these 17 or so years as times of peace, prosperity, and harvest. Despite being a total fuckup, Robert will definitely remain as a hero to everybody who doesn't know what's going on.
 
The Albatross said:
With the shit hitting the fan very soon, will the common people look back on Robert's rule warmly, the same way that they did with somebody like Baelor the Blessed / the Beloved. Heck, Robert ruled during "the long summer," and aside from a Greyjoy rebellion, things have been pretty sweet for Westeros. Robert's inability to rule and his unfortunate mating certainly spells doom for all of the common people over the course of Book 2 and Book 3, but the common man will simply look at these 17 or so years as times of peace, prosperity, and harvest. Despite being a total fuckup, Robert will definitely remain as a hero to everybody who doesn't know what's going on.

I haven't read the books but I can certainly tell what's going on with that just by looking at it.

After seeing what happened in episode 7 it's clear what is going to happen (at least this is what I assume is going to happen now):

Within these tags are not so much spoilers, but just my assumptions of what's going to happen so it could be spoilers but I'm TOTALLY guessing so who knows
The Dathraki (spelling?) are going to cross the sea and attack from the east, while the nights are going to come soon and the White walkers are going to start terrorizing the north. There will be a war that will break out within the Seven Kingdoms and their various alliances and when the Dathraki come things will be in chaos and ripe for the pickings.

I'm not sure how things are going to go for the Lanisters though because everything certainly seems to be going in their direction at the moment and I freaking hate those incestuous fucks (though that seems to be a commonality in this world... what a great world.

Must say - is it just me or does the Game of Thrones world remind anyone else of the Witcher world?
 

Piecake

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ultron87 said:
I think the scene with her and Joffrey in this episode helped to mitigate this a little bit (for me at least) since it actually showed him being not an absolute little shit for once. You could actually see a reason that she feels something for him beyond the allure of being an eventual queen.

I kinda felt like that took the place of Sansa and Joffery's time together at the tourney, and the tourney scene was much better done. I felt like the septa/necklace scene felt like (book 1+2ish spoilers I guess)
a sadistic, psychotic abusive boyfriend apologizing to his girlfriend, saying it will never happen again so that she feels loved and cared for, just so that he will get another opportunity just to torture and demean her again.

Well, maybe it wasnt supposed to feel that way, but if so, I entirely blame the actor since just looking at him I get creepy sadistic vibes from him
 
Gonaria said:
I kinda felt like that took the place of Sansa and Joffery's time together at the tourney, and the tourney scene was much better done. I felt like the septa/necklace scene felt like (book 1+2ish spoilers I guess)
a sadistic, psychotic abusive boyfriend apologizing to his girlfriend, saying it will never happen again so that she feels loved and cared for, just so that he will get another opportunity just to torture and demean her again.

Well, maybe it wasnt supposed to feel that way, but if so, I entirely blame the actor since just looking at him I get creepy sadistic vibes from him

Yes... I agree, I hate that kid - you're not supposed to like him though right?
 

Piecake

Member
ColonialRaptor said:
Yes... I agree, I hate that kid - you're not supposed to like him though right?

Why are you reading spoiler tags if you havent read the books? STOP IT! lol. You're going to spoil yourself some awesome moments. But yea, he is supposed to be a giant turd
 

ultron87

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The Albatross said:
Aye, just remember: Joffrey only did those things for Sansa because his mother, Cersei, told him to in an earlier episode. He's a little piss.

Right, but it's at least slightly easier to see now why Sansa likes him.
 

Jenga

Banned
The Albatross said:
Cornballer, in the NY Magazine comments of the episode, there is a great thought:

When counting scenes that they really liked:



Pretty thoughtful exposition on the series that you don't give much consideration.

Spoilers for Books 2 - 4, although this stuff is all pretty obvious:

With the shit hitting the fan very soon, will the common people look back on Robert's rule warmly, the same way that they did with somebody like Baelor the Blessed / the Beloved. Heck, Robert ruled during "the long summer," and aside from a Greyjoy rebellion, things have been pretty sweet for Westeros. Robert's inability to rule and his unfortunate mating certainly spells doom for all of the common people over the course of Book 2 and Book 3, but the common man will simply look at these 17 or so years as times of peace, prosperity, and harvest. Despite being a total fuckup, Robert will definitely remain as a hero to everybody who doesn't know what's going on.
I believe even Tyrion and Varys at one point mentioned they liked him, the big oaf that he was. His real problem was the insane spending, and everyone around him was content to let him fool around, especially cerscei and littlefinger. He was a bad king, but he wasn't terrible.
 

Piecake

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Jenga said:
I believe even Tyrion and Varys at one point mentioned they liked him, the big oaf that he was. His real problem was the insane spending, and everyone around him was content to let him fool around, especially cerscei and littlefinger. He was a bad king, but he wasn't terrible.

I still say that Tywin would have made the best king. While he is probably too ruthless and cold-hearted, I think he is definitely practical, flexible, and has the smarts to make a good king. More importantly, I get the impression that he wants to govern the realm effectively, bring peace, prosperity, and what not. If the cost of that is a few nobles heads on spikes, well, I think the commoners would totally be ok with that.

Robert clearly wasnt a very good king, I agree, but I don't think Ned would have made a very good King either. Better than Robert, but Ned is just too inflexible that he couldnt form alliances or do things, sometimes necessary things, that goes against his honor. I think he would have fractured the realm long before the present time if he was made King
 

bengraven

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Gonaria said:
I still say that Tywin would have made the best king. While he is probably too ruthless and cold-hearted, I think he is definitely practical, flexible, and has the smarts to make a good king. More importantly, I get the impression that he wants to govern the realm effectively, bring peace, prosperity, and what not. If the cost of that is a few nobles heads on spikes, well, I think the commoners would totally be ok with that.

Robert clearly wasnt a very good king, I agree, but I don't think Ned would have made a very good King either. Better than Robert, but Ned is just too inflexible that he couldnt form alliances or do things, sometimes necessary things, that goes against his honor. I think he would have fractured the realm long before the present time if he was made King

Tywin
before Joanna died would have been the best king.
 

traveler

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ColonialRaptor said:
I haven't read the books but I can certainly tell what's going on with that just by looking at it.

After seeing what happened in episode 7 it's clear what is going to happen (at least this is what I assume is going to happen now):

Within these tags are not so much spoilers, but just my assumptions of what's going to happen so it could be spoilers but I'm TOTALLY guessing so who knows
The Dathraki (spelling?) are going to cross the sea and attack from the east, while the nights are going to come soon and the White walkers are going to start terrorizing the north. There will be a war that will break out within the Seven Kingdoms and their various alliances and when the Dathraki come things will be in chaos and ripe for the pickings.

I'm not sure how things are going to go for the Lanisters though because everything certainly seems to be going in their direction at the moment and I freaking hate those incestuous fucks (though that seems to be a commonality in this world... what a great world.

Must say - is it just me or does the Game of Thrones world remind anyone else of the Witcher world?

Raptor, you might want to bail out of this thread. Series spoilers are discussed randomly and can cover anything from minor happenings to major plot twists. There's a thread for non-readers that's much safer:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426820&page=46
 

Piecake

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bengraven said:
Tywin
before Joanna died would have been the best king.

Oh, I think even afterwards. Of course, there isnt a whole lot of people to pick from. Mace? nope. Stannis? Good god no. Renly? Eh, good puppet king i guess. Hooster, edmure or little Robin? No Thank you. Doran Martell would have been good before his legs went to gout and all that shit happened 15 years ago. Not anymore though
 
ColonialRaptor said:
I haven't read the books but I can certainly tell what's going on with that just by looking at it.

After seeing what happened in episode 7 it's clear what is going to happen (at least this is what I assume is going to happen now):

That speculation is interesting but I suggest you go to the non spoiler thread...you're bound to get spoiled here.
 
Finally made it through all of ep7.

The first twenty or so minutes have a lot of really annoying bits, namely the sex scene that elevates the series to HBO late-night softcore porn and the inexplicable continuation of Exposition Theon explaining his situation AGAIN, but after that, man this episode rocks. Were it not for the first third I'd say this is the first truly great episode of the series so far.

I wish they would more extensively rewrite some of the scenes taken from the book, though. It's no coincidence that the best scenes of the show (including the excellent Tywin/Jamie scene) are the original ones. Some of the scenes that stick close to the books tend to feel less natural/human.
 

bengraven

Member
Just noticed ep 6's theme song has a couple extra beats to fit The Eyrie in.

Listen between KL and the Eyrie---

Edit: they also extend it between TE and WF and between WF and The Wall.
 

Emerson

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bengraven said:
Just noticed ep 6's theme song has a couple extra beats to fit The Eyrie in.

Listen between KL and the Eyrie: it pauses, does another beat, then continues. Not very seamless, but still the best theme song on TV.

I noticed that during Episode 5. I think it's pretty sloppy. Makes it sound worse and surely could have been fixed with a bit of editing. It also happens before The Wall.
 

Piecake

Member
petethepanda said:
Finally made it through all of ep7.

The first twenty or so minutes have a lot of really annoying bits, namely the sex scene that elevates the series to HBO late-night softcore porn and the inexplicable continuation of Exposition Theon explaining his situation AGAIN, but after that, man this episode rocks. Were it not for the first third I'd say this is the first truly great episode of the series so far.

I wish they would more extensively rewrite some of the scenes taken from the book, though. It's no coincidence that the best scenes of the show (including the excellent Tywin/Jamie scene) are the original ones. Some of the scenes that stick close to the books tend to feel less natural/human.

Some of the worst scenes of the show are also the new ones though, so its definitely a mixed bag. I do agree that there are some awesome new scenes though.

I do agree that I am getting mighty sick of Theon. Frankly, I think they could have cut out all of the Roz storyline and have just went with Tyrion and Theon and the Theon Robb wilding scene and we would have gotten the point.

I would have much rather they focused their time on Robb/Brann/Maester Luwin, and Robb coping with his new situation, than seeing Theon get busy and talk about his past. Though those tits were quite nice. A bit lacking in firmness, but still quite nice.
 

Mumei

Member
What is difference between the portrayals of Viserys in the book and in the show supposed to be? They seem pretty similar to me, but maybe I embellished the book version in my head or something.
 

bengraven

Member
Finally watching ep 6 and 7 and fuck yes Robb! Kick those wildling's asses...Osha looks a bit more Beatrix LeStrange and less "spearwife" to me though...


Mumei said:
What is difference between the portrayals of Viserys in the book and in the show supposed to be? They seem pretty similar to me, but maybe I embellished the book version in my head or something.

Viserys was very swarmy and spoiled. Your typical rich boy arch villain.

Lloyd gave him more personality than being so one-note.
 

ultron87

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So I can't really fathom a way that the main room of the Eyrie could have a hole in the center of it that drops down into empty space.

Recall, the Eyrie looks like this: http://film-book.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/eyrie-game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-01.png

One would assume that the Great Hall is under that big dome in the center. That dome doesn't seem to be overhanging anything, so a hole in the center would, at best, be dropping it down into the middle of the mountain, and not down to the forested looking land you can see through the hole (in the GIF a little higher up, for example).
 

Piecake

Member
Mumei said:
What is difference between the portrayals of Viserys in the book and in the show supposed to be? They seem pretty similar to me, but maybe I embellished the book version in my head or something.

Viserys in the book is a bit more extreme and a bit less human - otherwise known as crazy. Nothing redeemable about him. TV show Viserys, you almost pity him, so a bit more human
 

Piecake

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ultron87 said:
So I can't really fathom a way that the main room of the Eyrie could have a hole in the center of it that drops down into empty space.

Recall, the Eyrie looks like this: http://film-book.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/eyrie-game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-the-lion-01.png

One would assume that the Great Hall is under that big dome in the center. That dome doesn't seem to be overhanging anything, so a hole in the center would, at best, be dropping it down into the middle of the mountain, and not down to the forested looking land you can see through the hole (in the GIF a little higher up, for example).

Yea, I don't understand how that works either. It sure looks cool though!
 

bengraven

Member
NO GAWLD!

FUCK OFF!


Gonaria said:
Yea, I don't understand how that works either. It sure looks cool though!

I think that's the suspesion of disbelief the creators are going for. lol

I can't hate - reminds me of what Chris Metzen always says: "When in doubt, make it awesome!"
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Tyrion confessing his sins was golden. I lost it with the final one, Tyrion talking about bringing a Jackass into a whore house, Lysa silencing him, and Robert asking him what happened next.
 
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