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[SKM1]

Could we not be in a simulation where the world is not a globe...?

Reality can be anything whatsoever you want it to be as long as it is self consistent. The power of our science lies more in the fact that it can make predictions. As long as alternative models outside of science are incapable of making meaningful quantitative predictions they are wholly useless (ignoring ethical considerations).

Idiots like Weilthain assume that scientists do not question what they are taught, when in reality that's what they are trained to do.

 

[Wings 嫩翼翻せ]

Definitely not AngularSaxophone.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I’m on a plane, surprisingly sober and the Earth looks pretty damn flat to me. Maybe after a few drinks, it’ll look round. I’ll check in later after a few rum and diet cocks.

You realize that you yourself represent the head of a pin on a giant beach ball, right? The only way that you would see the curvature of the earth is with a cloud-free horizon and a 60 degree field of view (per google). Earth is huge. Even then, it will be very slight from that height.

 

[Weilthain]

Reality can be anything whatsoever you want it to be as long as it is self consistent. The power of our science lies more in the fact that it can make predictions. As long as alternative models outside of science are incapable of making meaningful quantitative predictions they are wholly useless (ignoring ethical considerations).

Idiots like Weilthain assume that scientists do not question what they are taught, when in reality that's what they are trained to do.

Hey stop lying about me you toad. Your space math and space lies about my character have no power over me.

 

[Weilthain]

You realize that you yourself represent the head of a pin on a giant beach ball, right? The only way that you would see the curvature of the earth is with a cloud-free horizon and a 60 degree field of view (per google). Earth is huge. Even then, it will be very slight from that height.

Check out some high altitude balloon footage on YouTube, some nice views whether you imagine a curve or not.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Could we not be in a simulation where the world is not a globe...?

If you die you die for real!

 

[DiscoJer]

You realize that you yourself represent the head of a pin on a giant beach ball, right? The only way that you would see the curvature of the earth is with a cloud-free horizon and a 60 degree field of view (per google). Earth is huge. Even then, it will be very slight from that height.

You can literally see the curvature of the Earth on a seashore. It's why you see the masts (or smokestacks) of a ship on the horizon, but not the ship itself.

 

[Weilthain]

You can literally see the curvature of the Earth on a seashore. It's why you see the masts (or smokestacks) of a ship on the horizon, but not the ship itself.

Look into it some more (pun intended)

 

[Weilthain]

Rentahamster you only get an accordion theme song, no piano for you.

 

[Despera]

To be honest I don't really "get" the whole Flat Earth thing.

They are kind of a cross between trolls and conspiracy theorists?

It always struck me that they know the whole thing CAN'T be true but they enjoy seeing how far they can run with it?

Like you could look at how our modern culture holds "science" up as this infallible thing.
However the truth is that science is more or less always a process of assuming something is true and then working towards an even better understanding that sometimes ends up proving that the old assumptions were entirely wrong.

It always seemed to me that Flat Earth is almost like a rebellion against science, or at least against the idea that today "facts" are set in stone.

CLEARLY the Earth is not flat. That's absurd.

However, when I look at it from the outside, I am kind of uncomfortable with how the Flat Earth community is treated and it really seems to be that the way they are treated by the mainstream culture plays a big factor in how they are able to grow.

We seem to be REALLY terrible at dealing with people who are, for whatever reason, outright denying scientific facts.

The Bible/Quran never mentioned a round earth or that earth orbits the sun, etc...

That's the basis for a lot of this, specifically those who truly believe in a flat earth.

 

[MadAnon]

Could we not be in a simulation where the world is not a globe...?

You constantly argue in favor of flat earth but haven't provided any proof of your claims. Saying that NASA and government lies isn't proof that the earth is not a globe. You don't need to go down the retarded conspiracy rabbit hole. Maybe start with simple observations of how sun moves throughout the day and how objects "sink" behind the horizon. That alone completely crashes the possibility of flat earth. Flatbrains only know how to parrot "It's perspective, It's perspective" but they struggle to address the huge holes in THEIR inconsistant "law of perspective". For some reason the sun doesn't become smaller and smaller the closer it gets to the horizon while ship do. But for some reason they both "sink" behind the horizon because muh perspective.

 

[ResilientBanana]

You can literally see the curvature of the Earth on a seashore. It's why you see the masts (or smokestacks) of a ship on the horizon, but not the ship itself.

right, I’ve seen that experiment before, it’s harder to see. Dude said he was on a plane.

 

[Weilthain]

You constantly argue in favor of flat earth but haven't provided any proof of your claims. Saying that NASA and government lies isn't proof that the earth is not a globe. You don't need to go down the retarded conspiracy rabbit hole. Maybe start with simple observations of how sun moves throughout the day and how objects "sink" behind the horizon. That alone completely crashes the possibility of flat earth. Flatbrains only know how to parrot "It's perspective, It's perspective" but they struggle to address the huge holes in THEIR inconsistant "law of perspective". For some reason the sun doesn't become smaller and smaller the closer it gets to the horizon while ship does. But for some reason they both "sink" behind the horizon because muh perspective.

On clear days the sun does actually get smaller as it goes further away.

the atmosphere magnifies the moon and sun so it normally gets bigger the lower they are

the boats over the horizon thing you really need to look into that some more and see what you find.

 

[zeomax]

On clear days the sun does actually get smaller as it goes further away.

the atmosphere magnifies the moon and sun so it normally gets bigger the lower they are

the boats over the horizon thing you really need to look into that some more and see what you find.

 

[Weilthain]

 

[greyshark]

the atmosphere magnifies the moon and sun so it normally gets bigger the lower they are

This is an illusion - one you can easily test and confirm for yourself (no fancy space math or instruments required).

Ponzo illusion - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Weilthain]

This is an illusion - one you can easily test and confirm for yourself (no fancy space math or instruments required).

Ponzo illusion - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If you try to slip some space maths past me I will catch you out.

lots of weird stuff going on with the horizon and what we can see due to perspective I’m not convinced.

 

[greyshark]

If you try to slip some space maths past me I will catch you out.

lots of weird stuff going on with the horizon and what we can see due to perspective I’m not convinced.

Have you tried verifying this yourself? It’s an easy test.

 

[Weilthain]

Have you tried verifying this yourself? It’s an easy test.

You looked more into it yet?

Moon illusion - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[greyshark]

You looked more into it yet?

Moon illusion - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That article is making the same assertion I am, and is linked in the article I sent you (thanks for reading it!). Have you tried this test for yourself?

 

[MadAnon]

On clear days the sun does actually get smaller as it goes further away.

the atmosphere magnifies the moon and sun so it normally gets bigger the lower they are

the boats over the horizon thing you really need to look into that some more and see what you find.

According to Weilthain this is the sun that moves away from you and dissappears because of perspective.

 

[Weilthain]

That article is making the same assertion I am, and is linked in the article I sent you (thanks for reading it!). Have you tried this test for yourself?

it’s kind of the same but not exactly

 

[Weilthain]

According to Weilthain this is the sun that moves away from you and dissappears because of perspective.

I’ve seen some other videos while researching space that show it

 

[MadAnon]

I’ve seen some other videos while researching space that show it

Show what? Your flat brain?

 

[greyshark]

it’s kind of the same but not exactly

What do you mean? Have you tried the test yourself?

 

[Weilthain]

Show what? Your flat brain?

the sun getting smaller. You’re cruising for theme song of your own if you keep insulting me like that

 

[Weilthain]

What do you mean? Have you tried the test yourself?

why is it happening? What’s the reason?

 

[MadAnon]

the sun getting smaller. You’re cruising for theme song of your own if you keep insulting me like that

Show me a video that filters out the glare and you can clearly see the sun shrinking in size as it moves towards the horizon like any other object does when it moves away from you. I repeat, a video with changing glare won't cut it. That's what flat brains always use to fool the gullible.

 

[greyshark]

why is it happening? What’s the reason?

I thought you read the article I sent you (or the one you sent me)? I still don’t understand why you think the assertion is not the same. Have you tried the test yourself?

 

[Weilthain]

Show me a video that filters out the glare and you can clearly see the sun gettin smaller as it moves towards the horizon. I repeat, a video with changing glare won't cut it.

This is a good one


I’m starting to think you don’t think I’m a real scientist. Of course I have done all these experiments.

 

[Fret Runner]

This flat earth rabbit hole is really eye opening.
I now know the truth as to what really happened to the dinosaurs.

 

[MadAnon]

This is a good one


I’m starting to think you don’t think I’m a real scientist. Of course I have done all these experiments.

You clearly aren't. I asked you videos with clearly visible sun like the one I posted and not video with significant sun glare that loses the itensity due to increasing amount of atmosphere the light has to get through. I said you won't fool me with your flat earther tricks. So I'm waiting a video where I can clearly see the sun "disc" getting smaller.

I can post you a lot more videos where sun is clearly visible and not shrinking. I'm waiting on your proof.

 

[Weilthain]

You clearly aren't. I asked you videos with clearly visible sun like the one I posted and not video with significant sun glare that loses the itensity due to increasing amount of atmosphere the light has to get through. I said you won't fool me with your flat earther tricks. So I'm waiting a video where I can clearly see the sun "disc" getting smaller.

I can post you a lot more videos where sun is clearly visible and not shrinking. I'm waiting on your proof.

I don’t have flat earth powers so don’t worry no tricks I don’t even claim the earth is flat.

I think though there is way more to sunsets than it just being the sun going over the curve.

Atmospheric conditions, light refraction and the sherical nature of our eyes and how perspective works makes me question what am I actually seeing and why it’s happening.

I have seen tons of YouTube videos about the sun but they are hard to find now with YouTube censoring searches for anything related to this kind of thing.

 

[greyshark]

I’m starting to think you don’t think I’m a real scientist. Of course I have done all these experiments.

Can I interpret this to be a ‘yes’ answer to my question? If you have tested this yourself, what were your results? Were they consistent with the linked article?

 

[Weilthain]

Can I interpret this to be a ‘yes’ answer to my question? If you have tested this yourself, what were your results? Were they consistent with the linked article?

No I was only kidding.

I’m not actually a scientist.

 

[greyshark]

No I was only kidding.

I’m not actually a scientist.

So you have not tested this for yourself? Is there any reason why you won’t do such a simple test?

 

[MadAnon]

I don’t have flat earth powers so don’t worry no tricks I don’t even claim the earth is flat.

I think though there is way more to sunsets than it just being the sun going over the curve.

Atmospheric conditions, light refraction and the sherical nature of our eyes and how perspective works makes me question what am I actually seeing and why it’s happening.

I have seen tons of YouTube videos about the sun but they are hard to find now with YouTube censoring searches for anything related to this kind of thing.

Atmospheric? Shouldn't you be using the term "atmoflatic"?

Obviously have to deflect your own incomptence on soneone else. Youtube is censoring muh evidence.

 

[Weilthain]

So you have not tested this for yourself? Is there any reason why you won’t do such a simple test?

I was a scientist but that was a long time ago.

I don’t dispute your test.

 

[Weilthain]

Atmospheric? Shouldn't you be using the term "atmoflatic"?

Obviously have to deflect your own incomptence on soneone else. Youtube is censoring muh evidence.

YouTube is actually censoring it.

 

[greyshark]

the atmosphere magnifies the moon and sun so it normally gets bigger the lower they are

I was a scientist but that was a long time ago.

I don’t dispute your test.

If you don’t dispute the test, why did you make the statement above?

 

[Weilthain]

If you don’t dispute the test, why did you make the statement above?

Because sometimes it does get bigger

 

[greyshark]

Because sometimes it does get bigger

Can you explain? The test that you don’t dispute directly contradicts that statement.

 

[Weilthain]

Can you explain? The test that you don’t dispute directly contradicts that statement.

Sometimes it gets smaller as well actually not just bigger.
Even the “true” position is meant to be different in reality to what we see sometimes.

 

[ResilientBanana]

If you try to slip some space maths past me I will catch you out.

lots of weird stuff going on with the horizon and what we can see due to perspective I’m not convinced.

That’s not space math. You know, if you were as open minded as you say ,you would take in and understand the data from both sides. At this point you don’t even comprehend the basics of anything. That’s not really being open minded.

not to mention, how would you even guess who is right? On one side you don’t trust math and science, on the other side you would trust people that are not scientists and don’t trust cameras.

 

[MadAnon]

YouTube is actually censoring it.

Ofcourse... what a convinient excuse. It's not like youtube is full with flat earthers and other conspiracy nut cases but they went out of their way to censore some random video of the Sun because it proves the earth is flat. Obviously Youtube is the holy grail of proof and there's no other places this indcredible flat earth proof can be uploaded.

Keep deflecting your incomptence.

 

[Weilthain]

That’s not space math. You know, if you were as open minded as you say you would take in and understand the data from both sides. At this point you don’t even comprehend the basics of anything. That’s not really being open minded.

I’ve said already it’s a belief thing not an understanding issue.
And don’t talk to me about space maths.

 

[Weilthain]

Ofcourse... what a convinient excuse. It's not like youtube is full with flat earthers and other conspiracy nut cases but they went out of their way to censore some random video of the Sun because it proves the earth is flat. Obviously Youtube is the holy grail of proof and there's no other places this indcredible flat earth proof can be uploaded.

Keep deflecting your incomptence.

You should look into it

 

[greyshark]

Sometimes it gets smaller as well actually not just bigger.
Even the “true” position is meant to be different in reality to what we see sometimes.

Again your first statement is directly contradicted by the test. Do you agree with it or not?

How are you coming to the conclusion in your second statement?

 

[Weilthain]

Again your first statement is directly contradicted by the test. Do you agree with it or not?

How are you coming to the conclusion in your second statement?

The reason why the illusion is happening isn’t even agreed on according to what I can find.

I think there may be more to it.

 

[zeomax]

The reason why the illusion is happening isn’t even agreed on according the what I can find.

I think there may be more to it.

You should look into it