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Dual Entitlement. Reasonable or Overcharge
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Concern
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This isn't the same thing. Why do you think the next gen version of cyberpunk is delayed if this were just a no effort settings change. Porting to another generation console takes time and money.
Big budget single player games vs big budget MP games with multiple $10+ microtransactions that they are charging $60 for. They chucked in the lower budget tactics rather than actual Gears of War which again is filled with microtransactions but Tactics is more akin to a low budget game like Alienation which would have usually cost $30 or £16 on release.30k upvotes now…
LordBlodgett
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The upgrade charges from PS4 to PS5 versions are total bullshit. The weird thing is that the $70 price tag for new games doesn't bother me as much as the little $10 or $20 upgrade charges for the PS5 version when you already own the PS4 version. A lot of developers are giving those upgrades for free, including most F2P and multiplayer games. I used to buy my Sony exclusives not too long after launch (Usually waiting for first decent sale), but since I know they are just going to charge each time they update the game I'll just wait until definitive editions hit the bargain bins. I've got enough to play that I don't need to play Sony exclusives near launch.
TheDreadLord
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But this is a dev issue. As a consumer you shouldn’t care if they followed the best practices when it comes to multiplat development and I don’t believe this is an argument to charge more for a simple upgrade. We aren’t in the 2000s where each system had a different architecture. Nowadays they are all pc-like and the mainstream development tools already handle mutiplay dev.
I don't think it's a matter of best practices. it requires dev and QA time and that goes into budget and pricing. Development tools today make things easier to port but they don't make it costless or effortless otherwise CDPR wouldn't be hit with all these delays for the next gen version.
TheDreadLord
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They didn’t even had a product ready so they aren’t parameter. CDPR is finishing the game as we speak. EA and Activision, for instance and despite all hate, seem to manage multiplat dev quite well. We tend to assume devs are some sort of magical beings but no, it is like any other industry where you have competent and incompetent people.
EA and Activision are good at it I agree but they too charge $10 more for the next gen dual versions of their games. With no upgrade path too.
To be able to go to the current gen version while also owning the last gen version of Battlefield 2042 you have to get the $100 Gold edition.
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MrTentakel
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It´s reasonable to ask customers to pay for the generational upgrade.
It´s smart to build a fanbase by providing the upgrade for free.
It´s smart to build a fanbase by providing the upgrade for free.
What about omni entitlement? The complaint is that you're charged to play the same title on a different system, but within the same family - but why stop there? Why should you pay for an Xbox version, a PlayStation version, a Switch version, a PC version if you own multiple device families.
That's a more egregious price tax because whilst there's extra cost in publishing to additional devices the cost to you as a consumer is way more out of proportion than a 'next gen' tax.
That's a more egregious price tax because whilst there's extra cost in publishing to additional devices the cost to you as a consumer is way more out of proportion than a 'next gen' tax.
BlackTron
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Tell that to Nintendo.
More on-topic. This stuff basically guarantees that I will treat the PS5 like I did the PS4. That is, play PC and Nintendo games for years while I wait for the right moment to grab it, when I can get 8 PS5 games for the price of one Spider-Man update.
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sublimit
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It's quite simple actually.
Games that originally came on PS4-only i played them or i will play them on PS4. If they will have free upgrades that's fine if not then i don't care.Not going to buy them again for PS5.
For crossgen games i'll wait until i have a PS5 then buy the PS5 versions. This goes for multiplatform as well regardless if they have free upgrades or not.
I really don't understand all the crying and whining.
Games that originally came on PS4-only i played them or i will play them on PS4. If they will have free upgrades that's fine if not then i don't care.Not going to buy them again for PS5.
For crossgen games i'll wait until i have a PS5 then buy the PS5 versions. This goes for multiplatform as well regardless if they have free upgrades or not.
I really don't understand all the crying and whining.
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ReBurn
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A better analogy:
is it reasonable for Sony to sell you a PS5 that is capable of better frame rates, higher resolutions, enhanced controls and high end graphical effects and then charge you more money for games you already own to be able to use the hardware capabilities you already paid for?
Theres no reason for two versions of games or upgrade fees or license revocation when you upgrade. The simplest, least confusing way to handle this is to charge one price for a game and you get the version that works best on the system you play it on. It appears that "we believe in generations" means "customers should pay for their games again every generation." Sony just doesn't want to look like a dick for charging PS4 gamers $70 so we get this level of upgrade gymnastics.
Dream-Knife
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Sony today is worse than they were with PS3.
But nothing will change because you will buy it.
But nothing will change because you will buy it.
Dr.Morris79
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Thankfully, due to Sony stock, they made sure thats how i'll end up playing this stuff. By the time I get a PS5 this stuff will be dirt cheap anyway.
Dr.Morris79
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Captain Toad
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I'm just buying the PS5 game and calling it a day.
BlackTron
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They are definitely making the wait easy!
The Alien
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Imagine going into a premiere steak restaurant and seeing the menu price be X. Then the waiter confirms the pricing. You order your delicious steak. The bill comes....but with a 30% increase across the board.
That's what this debate reminds me of.
Torrent of Pork
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Aaaaand thread's done.
Fbh
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I like how Sony "believes in generations" just enough to not offer free upgrades but not enough to make Horizon and GOW proper next gen exclusives
This is almost worse because it's the same company selling you the hardware and the games.
So it's as if Nvidia started making PC games but then charged you to unlock the higher settings, higher framerates and ray tracing after you purchased an Rtx3090 from them
This is almost worse because it's the same company selling you the hardware and the games.
So it's as if Nvidia started making PC games but then charged you to unlock the higher settings, higher framerates and ray tracing after you purchased an Rtx3090 from them
Salty Popsicle
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Yes, and that's why games these days have so many monetization systems built into the experience.
Salty Popsicle
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The people who applaud Sony/PlayStation after every quarterly earnings report and brag about the company making record revenues and profits are the same people who are on this thread defending these asinine business practices that degrades loyal consumers. The worst part is they have no actual financial stake in the company, they do it because they think Sony is their friend 
balls of snow
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Does not affect me since I have both next gen console but I like that one comment from the purple dimension saying that it is akin to paying to run the game at maximum setting instead of high on pc. I loled.
RafterXL
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Don't you think wage stagnation is a thing?
Also, profits have outpaced inflation and development costs for years now, so that whole angle is just ignorant of what's actually happening in the game industry.
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