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Digital Foundry Xbox Series X Back-Compat Tests "Hugely Impressive"
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pr0cs
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Fantastic analysis, though many of those games they presented with clear improvements I'm not terribly interested in.
Only game I can think of that I'd consider replaying (and reviewing improvements from) is Bioshock from the 360 era, if I recall it had an 'unlocked' framerate option (that ran terrible on the 360).
Only game I can think of that I'd consider replaying (and reviewing improvements from) is Bioshock from the 360 era, if I recall it had an 'unlocked' framerate option (that ran terrible on the 360).
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LeftThumbstick
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No, you made that up yourself and now you're trying to use it to garner some attention for your bravery.I was told by Xbox fans that every BC game would be a 4k 60 free upgrade
martino
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what is this nonsense ?
XSX apu is not a transformer changing his architecture / content.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Nhranaghacon
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I find the fact that most games were struggling to maintain a constant 60 fps in 4k hugely annoying. And very disappointing.
ON the bright side, we're back to cartridge based load-times as I remember some cartridge games (Zelda: OoT) taking upwards of 31 seconds to load up certain areas late in the game. With a 3 - 7 second standard loadtime on cartridges back in the day - load times that were all but lost when we switched to CD's - we're basically back to "no loadtimes" even though there were actually load times they were pretty small. And we're fairly close again in terms of load times now anyways.
This hardware should still maintain a solid 60 FPS in 4k without any frame dip's (yes I mean without a dip to 54-57 frames) on old titles and that's upsetting. Sure it will get ironed out with better software optimizations down the line.
ON the bright side, we're back to cartridge based load-times as I remember some cartridge games (Zelda: OoT) taking upwards of 31 seconds to load up certain areas late in the game. With a 3 - 7 second standard loadtime on cartridges back in the day - load times that were all but lost when we switched to CD's - we're basically back to "no loadtimes" even though there were actually load times they were pretty small. And we're fairly close again in terms of load times now anyways.
This hardware should still maintain a solid 60 FPS in 4k without any frame dip's (yes I mean without a dip to 54-57 frames) on old titles and that's upsetting. Sure it will get ironed out with better software optimizations down the line.
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Based Department
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Let's wait and see how the glorious variable gpu of the ps5 will handle the 1440p games of ps4 pro
StreetsofBeige
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Yoboman picking up the MS bashing as many of them got banned today.
Check Yobo’s post history. Yikes.
Senua
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SEGAvangelist
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So salty. BC looks awesome in Series X.
ThatOneGrunt
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Remember, it’s Xbox fans that need to calm down and stop bullying people on GAF.
Zathalus
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Its literally in the article.
Xbox Series X back-compat tested: up to double the performance in the most demanding games
UPDATE: Sometimes, we just can't leave well enough alone. I returned to Xbox Series X to take a look at more Xbox One a…
www.eurogamer.net
LeftThumbstick
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Yeah it's not surprising at all, they are about as immature and junevile as they come. I'm an Xbox guy no doubt about it, and i wont lie and say i don't get satisfaction out of it when i see Xbox slaying their way into the next gen and watching the meltdown occur, but i still appreciate the PS5 and wont just bash it for existing. Without the PS4, Xbox wouldn't have been forced to change their ways and its resulting in everything we see now.
I grew up Sega, Nintendo, Playstation, PC & Xbox, i have no solid allegiance to a brand as they've all contributed to what i love about gaming throughout my life, but in this era of gaming, i like what Xbox do and they potential they have to really advance console gaming.
I used to be that toxic Xbox kid 10-15 years ago, but everyone needs to grow up at some point, and most of these people can't grasp that concept.
Based Department
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martino
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full clocks, 12 flops of compute available (so all ipc / perf watt advantage are there)Its literally in the article.
Xbox Series X back-compat tested: up to double the performance in the most demanding games
UPDATE: Sometimes, we just can't leave well enough alone. I returned to Xbox Series X to take a look at more Xbox One a…
of course the new render pipeline, rt, vrs , sfs all those architectural changes are not used. but hitman 2 on pc won't use them 2.
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Yoboman
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pawel86ck
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We shouldn't expect unrealistic things from next gen consoles. The reality is, even 2080ti cant maintain 60fps at 4K in current gen games like hitman 2, so there results arnt really that surprising, in fact they look good considering game was running in BC
Md Ray
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These benchmarks must be using Ultra settings. Xbox One X (SX in back-compat) is nowhere near PC's Ultra though.I hoped XSX will run hitman 2 at 4K 60fps, but after looking at benchmarks it makes sense why there are dips below 60fps. Guys we would need something like 3080 to really run all current gen games at 4K 60fps.
Md Ray
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I'm comparing PS4 Pro to PS5. Read again.
Zathalus
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Of course Hitman 2 on PC uses the architecture of the 2080 Super. You think its running in emulation mode for Pascal or something? The simple fact is, if these games were taking full advantages of the IPC gains available on the XSX, they would be performing much better.
All this does is back up the data from the Gears 5 preview, the XSX GPU is around a 2080 Super level. Hardly surprising as it is a 12.15 TFLOP GPU.
KURDISTAN YPG
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Impressed by what?
martino
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believe what you want extrapolating from vulgarization video.
Senua
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Backwards compatibility performance? Just a hunch
New Yorks Finest
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This is a safe bet then that CyberPunk current gen gm will be running flawless at 4K 60fps with no dips..Holla!!!
StateofMajora
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Oh my god this is glorious. Having skipped the xbox one generation, and having a collection of 360 and OG xbox games ; the value and quality proposition vs. the ps5 is hilariously large.
I cannot fucking wait for the series X man!
I cannot fucking wait for the series X man!
SafeOrAlone
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That'd be glorious and we deserve it.
gamerguywashere
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sometimes i forget how serious videogames are and i say something out of line
i forget how harmful words can be...how would i feel if someone made fun of MY favorite videogame machine...what if someone made fun of MY favorite corporate institution
i just wish if that day ever arrives, some "bully" as you put it, would SET THEM STRAIGHT!
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AutumnLeaves
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Any news on the original Xbox games?
-Arcadia-
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Just watched. This is really impressive. Gigantic framerate boosts (in unlocked games) across the board, with no optimization.
It actually makes you wonder what could happen if one of these developers goes back and makes the game fully compliant with the Series X architecture. Would 120 FPS/4K be a possible standard for older games? Maybe to get all the way insane with it, for the two of you that own compatible screens, 30 FPS/8K or something under?
But this on its own is truly impressive work. From what I understand accurate BC utilizing the system like this, is not easy. If BC like this is going to continue, it also makes a great case for leaving an ‘unlock framerate’ option in the menu for all future games from now on (a feature that is awesome in OG Bioshock on One X). Maybe even going back, and at the least, updating older locked games with this option, so we can play stuff like Rise of the Tomb Raider at 60 FPS/4K.
It actually makes you wonder what could happen if one of these developers goes back and makes the game fully compliant with the Series X architecture. Would 120 FPS/4K be a possible standard for older games? Maybe to get all the way insane with it, for the two of you that own compatible screens, 30 FPS/8K or something under?
But this on its own is truly impressive work. From what I understand accurate BC utilizing the system like this, is not easy. If BC like this is going to continue, it also makes a great case for leaving an ‘unlock framerate’ option in the menu for all future games from now on (a feature that is awesome in OG Bioshock on One X). Maybe even going back, and at the least, updating older locked games with this option, so we can play stuff like Rise of the Tomb Raider at 60 FPS/4K.
From Sony's presser: Claim of 99 percent compatibility with ps4 games on ps5. Of those compatible games, Ps5 has "boost mode" on "select (ps4) games"...ie...not all compatible ps4 games....doesn't sound as promising as XSX BC imo
We'll see, but BC history sure doesn't favor Sony and with stating "select games" with a "boost".....not sounding as good from what it sounds like. I hope DF does a PS5 vs XSX for new AND BC games for comparison.
We'll see, but BC history sure doesn't favor Sony and with stating "select games" with a "boost".....not sounding as good from what it sounds like. I hope DF does a PS5 vs XSX for new AND BC games for comparison.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Seems kind of odd that these were left out of the video, but it feels like most of them run at 4K and a solid FPS on the Xbox One X, and I doubt they've gotten worse with this hardware upgrade.
We don't know if the XSX CUs are operating in a special "GCN" mode when backwards compatibility is enabled. That certainly seems to be how Sony are doing it, based on Cerny's comments.
AntonioBanderasXsX
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Yuge! Waiting for my series x to dive into the Bethesda back catalogue until Starfield and TES6!
VisualFidelity
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Amazing. Literally runnning double the FPS in most titles automatically without any additional patches, even ones in 4k, and this is pre launch preview program. DOA6 in 4k mode locked at 60fps now, amazing.
Neko Mimi Mode
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Easily forgotten, but Xbox Series X will almost always have the advantage in current gen BC because most had lower targets in PS4 Pro than Xbox one X.
Zathalus
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A 2080 Super gets around 75FPS in that Hitman 2 level on medium 4k. If the XSX version was running natively it would be running it at 73FPS or so.
That's pretty much what DF stated in the article if you would take a moment and read it
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I read the article, and was simply being cautious, since what "compatability mode" entails on the hardware level is never explained.
DeaconOfTheDank
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This sounds fantastic! I have a lot of 360 games that I haven't been able to play in a long time (Infinite Undiscovery comes to mind). I'm really thinking of buying a XSS for BC titles to go with my PC and PS5.
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Seeing og/360 games run in 4k is definitely a trip. Night and day difference. Hopefully they keep adding old game patches.
Rikkori
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What I really care most about is autoHDR. I want to see some testing of that so badly, hopefully by someone that at least half-understands HDR like EvilBoris.
I'm drooling dreaming about being able to play some classics like KotOR, Mass Effect, etc with HDR on. I would actually buy one of these consoles for that, as I imagine they won't bring that to PC.
I'm drooling dreaming about being able to play some classics like KotOR, Mass Effect, etc with HDR on. I would actually buy one of these consoles for that, as I imagine they won't bring that to PC.
AutumnLeaves
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Nice nice. Looking forward to seeing some videos.
Oh okay, you had reading fail then. It says more than that and does elaborate on "compatibility mode".....which implications should be more obvious to you. It mentions like not using RDNA2 architecture and that it emulates last gen Xbox one. Let me assist you:
"this is the GPU running in compatibility mode, where it emulates the behaviour of the last generation Xbox - you aren't seeing the architectural improvements to performance from RDNA 2, which Microsoft says is 25 per cent to the better, teraflop to teraflop. And obviously, these games are not coded for RDNA 2 or Series X, meaning that access to the actual next-gen features like variable rate shading or mesh shaders simply does not exist."
And "where it emulates the behaviour of the last generation Xbox" ....so what was last gen GPU architecture called again that this is emulating?
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VFXVeteran
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jigglet
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Exactly, let's not kid ourselves that the console version of MH was running at max settings.