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Digital Foundry Xbox Series X Back-Compat Tests "Hugely Impressive"
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Senua
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Ok zoomer
Piku_Ringo
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Phrixotrichus
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2020 hardware runs old software better than 2010 hardware....who would have thought 
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Stuart360
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2020 hardware runs software better than 2010 hardware....wow
I think I was expecting this,
- Improved frame rate due to significant better CPU.
- Games that were unlocked, yet had capped/codded target of 60 are hitting 60 fps.
- Loading benefits of SSD.
I wish they tested games like Fallout 4 that had significant frame rate issues due to weak CPU.
- Improved frame rate due to significant better CPU.
- Games that were unlocked, yet had capped/codded target of 60 are hitting 60 fps.
- Loading benefits of SSD.
I wish they tested games like Fallout 4 that had significant frame rate issues due to weak CPU.
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If one can't really tell a difference , does it matter? It's hell of an accomplishment regardless noting that this isn't native RDNA2 mode(nor for the cpu either). In fact its "compatibility"/"emulation" mode. I'll bet it would do max settings at an even better performance is it was native especially to take advantage of the XSX specific setup.
That being said , how would a beefy PC perform on this game if it was EMULATING the Xbox 1 in an emulator?
I'd wager , at those same X1X settings, not as well, in fact, not very well in general.
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FlyyGOD
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How does the PS5 handle old software? It would be nice if Sony gives us any info on anything hardware related.2020 hardware runs old software better than 2010 hardware....who would have thought
ResilientBanana
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As to be expected, these games aren't going to be recompiled and rebuilt for the new generation.
jigglet
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Don't get me wrong, I think almost everything I've seen with XB BC is really impressive. I just find it hard to be impressed with anything MHW related from a technical perspective. It's such a janky and poorly optimised piece of shit I can barely give it a second glance.
Nhranaghacon
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No don't effing tell me what we as the consumer should expect out of next gen hardware. We should DEMAND 60FPS Backward Compat minimum. Quit quoting me as if I'm some diehard PS5 fan I'm not, I'm a consumer that dammit, expects 10x performance on last gen games at increased 4k resolutions with this new hardware. That is and should be the standard for consumers.
And it should upset most gamers that this hardware is having trouble producing A rock solid stable 60 fps in LAST GEN GAMES minimum. I've already been beat up for being an Xbox fanboy here when obviously the problem is I just state plainly what should and should not be expected.
As it stands now, new hardware - nay - NEXT GEN HARDWARE - has issues and struggles at maintaining solid frame rates.
I'm sure this can be worked out through future software optimizations so it's not like I've given up on having a glorious catalog where all my games run solid without a care in the world at 60fps - that's the dream - but if this is what we expect out of next gen hardware after another 2 years in then we, the consumer - are screwed again. There is still time on that front with optimization's but dips to 45 and 55 frames pers second? Hopefully that issue goes away.
If we get stuck With "almost" solid 60fps at 4k. Well - Almost had it, it's ok gamers - do not feel dismayed. We almost got solid performance across allOLD last gen games. Almost.
Doesn't bode well for future titles when you actually look at it that clearly now does it.
Which is why I'm a PC gamer and Xbox fan in that order.
And it should upset most gamers that this hardware is having trouble producing A rock solid stable 60 fps in LAST GEN GAMES minimum. I've already been beat up for being an Xbox fanboy here when obviously the problem is I just state plainly what should and should not be expected.
As it stands now, new hardware - nay - NEXT GEN HARDWARE - has issues and struggles at maintaining solid frame rates.
I'm sure this can be worked out through future software optimizations so it's not like I've given up on having a glorious catalog where all my games run solid without a care in the world at 60fps - that's the dream - but if this is what we expect out of next gen hardware after another 2 years in then we, the consumer - are screwed again. There is still time on that front with optimization's but dips to 45 and 55 frames pers second? Hopefully that issue goes away.
If we get stuck With "almost" solid 60fps at 4k. Well - Almost had it, it's ok gamers - do not feel dismayed. We almost got solid performance across all
Doesn't bode well for future titles when you actually look at it that clearly now does it.
Which is why I'm a PC gamer and Xbox fan in that order.
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Kagoshima_Luke
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Xbox Series X feels like getting a new PC (focus on better performance/visuals for old/current games), while PS5 is like a new console (focus on new games only possible on new hardware). Both approaches have merit and have me equally excited.
XOMTOR
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Score. And here I sit with a collection of PS1,2,3 and PSP games that are essentially abandon-ware.
Rentahamster
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Who would have thought?2020 hardware runs old software better than 2010 hardware....who would have thought
That's kind of the point of all of this. That's what people want to see.
ManaByte
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Score. And here I sit with a collection of PS1,2,3 and PSP games that are essentially abandon-ware.
Those games look ancient. Why would you want to play those?
You realize they are comparing it to X1X hardware that came out in 2017 right? And you also realize that the 2020 hardware is emulating 2017 hardware and not running it native. Comprehension fail.2020 hardware runs old software better than 2010 hardware....who would have thought
I don't think a new PC with a RTX 3080 emulating a X1X would do as well emulating it. As we see the PC needs vastly superior hardware to emulate consoles very well. Right now PCs emulate xbox 360 and PS3 okay and not Xbox 1 and PS4 gen.
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ZehDon
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Glad to hear Backwards Compatibility stays winning - it's something I'm really looking forward to, and a major seller for me.
Oh, so, you didn't read the article? Well, that's ok, it is a lot of words, so it might have been intimidating. Here's the take aways:
Now, don't be afraid to put your hand up and ask an adult for help on some of the longer words.
Punished Miku
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Playing Mario 64 still and its great. Lots of old games are fun still. You don't even like PS3 games?
AgentP
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I don't think there is any real emulation, maybe just compatibility mode on the HW.
ManaByte
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Senua
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Portugeezer
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Nice, unlocked framerate games may be worth replaying.
Phrixotrichus
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You use the word emulation but you obviously don't understand what it means....
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BouncyFrag
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My xbone backlog is silly big so this is great. I won’t grab any new consoles until 2021 tho.
You are kidding right? They have stated they run it in a Virtual Machine. On MULTIPLE MULTIPLE occasions they stated Xbox BC is software emulation.
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Oh really? How so? All Xbox emulation is done via a virtual machine on the Xbox OS form of Hyper V.You use the word emulation but you obviously don't understand what it means....
I question that you actually know what emulation is. Are you up for the challenge?
Hint: I've written software APIs and wrappers amongst many other types of software and do so professionally.
Let's start with what's the difference between a VM and a container?
I'll even give you a hint. I suspect MS is doing their hot new "quick resume" feature via containers.(Sony would have to license Docker or roll their own form of containers like MS does with Windows containers which is why I suspect Sony doesn't have a "quick resume" feature despite the superior, at least in terms of hardware solution and not MS' software optimizations on their solution, SSD....at least not yet for Sony)
Besides, do you even know what a Virtual Machine is or, let alone, what the word "virtual" means or implies in this respect? Maybe that explains your, well apparently, ignorance on this subject of emulation?
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Armorian
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pyrocro
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LOL That ending HAHAHAHA OMG. LOL
pyrocro
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HOLD IT RIGHT THERE the PC is not a Ron Paul FFS, its definitely more of a Bernie.
"Games should be free or cheap and available to all"
"Free development Tools for everyone"
"Backward Compatability is a right!"
"If I want to run Linux on your system it's your right!"
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Azurro
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That's literally the same type of backwards compatibility that Sony did with the PS4 Pro, unlocked framerate games ran better on it, just like here.
I honestly don't see what is shocking or marvelous about it, it's an expected feature from backwards compatibility.
MrFunSocks
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It's not the same as upgrading your PC though, because PC games aren't being emulated. They're running directly on the new hardware, whereas these are generations old games running on software emulators for completely different architectures than they were made for.
So did the PS2 run PS1 games at double the framerate and higher resolutions? Did the PS3 run PS1 and PS2 games at higher framerates and resolutions and add HDR?
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No Bernie doesn't believe in freedoms, quite the opposite actually...I think you are confusing fascist socialists with libertarians?
The first 2 items on your list are socialist. Forced behavior and outcomes despite rights and freedoms. The 2nd 2, about rights and freedoms etc.. are more libertarian. Quite a difference actually.
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Azurro
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The PS4 Pro ran PS4 games with unlocked framerates better, the same thing will happen with the PS5, it's an expected feature unless Sony decides to lock out a mode similar to the PS4 Pro's boost mode for some reason.
Btw, I know you are console warring but one thing that was interesting about the PS2 is that it ran PSOne games with texture filtering and faster loading times.
MrFunSocks
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That's not backwards compatibility though. The PS4 Pro is a PS4. The Series X is not a Xbox One.
rodrigolfp
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Not a single game tested can go above 60fps. -_-' Why not test R6 Siege?
Let us know what you find out?
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Azurro
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I know you are console warring, but you are arguing semantics. The PS4 Pro had a more powerful GPU and devs had to code and compile specific versions for it. The games that didn't have this ran in a compatibility PS4 mode with the extra CUs disabled and then later on with them enabled in a boost mode. Game code did not need to be modified and recompiled. This is the same thing, it's backwards compatibility.
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MrFunSocks
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I'm not console warring at all. I'm stating facts. You're trying to downplay the Series X and talk up the PS4/5. You're console warring.
The PS4 Pro does not run games in backwards compatibility. It's playing PS4 games natively. That is literally nothing like what the Series X is doing here with Xbox/360/One games.
SirTerry-T
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Azurro
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Just because you are ignorant of what the technical details entail doesn't mean I'm console warring. What the PS4 Pro did with PS4 games is essentially what Xbox Series X here is doing.
Do you want to discuss like an adult or do you prefer to keep on console warring like a child?
Edit: As I remember now, it was only letting the clocks run at the PS4 Pro's speed, not enabling the use of the full CU count for Boost mode.
It'll be interesting to see what Sony chooses to do if it decides to implement a boost mode, given that the CU count is the same.
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MrFunSocks
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You just saying I'm console warring doesn't make it so lol. Just like you saying I'm ignorant of the technical details doesn't make it so.
The PS4 Pro does not do anything at all like what the Series X is doing lol. The PS4 Pro literally has the same CPU as the PS4. They even did the GPU so it's essentially the same as the PS4. It's not backwards compatibility. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are just trying to fangirl for Sony.
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Those are probably the same if they are capped to 60/30. The difference between a XB1X an XSX would be meaningless there.
Mobile Suit Gooch
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*Self-hi-five*
Bang!
Azurro
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Sigh...ok, if you prefer to be talked down to like a child, then the customer is king.
Yes wittle Timmy, the Series X Is super powerful, you are going to love it. Want an ice cream after your swimming lessons? Now remember to tell your teacher if you need to poopoo, I don't want to have to come pick you up again from school to change you.
MrFunSocks
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Aaaaaaand ignored. See ya fanboy.
pyrocro
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I gonna stop it right there and let you fill in your analogs to PC and Bernie beliefs, give us 4. for it.
lastmessiah
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You're dead wrong and everyone knows it lol. Why would you choose this hill to die on.
Azurro
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Tommy, what did I tell you about pissing your pants?! I'm going to have to go home to change you. No ice cream for you today mister.