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DF - Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
Craig of War
Banned
AC Games are terrible at optimization wanna let you guys know. AC Unity ran better on the Xbox One then on PS4. Does not mean that the console is weaker there is more to this than just that.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't think either party was dishonest with the specifications. The issue was the way people were interpreting the information that they were given. Microsoft was correct to focus on flops for marketing because that's the best way for average gamers to understand which system is more powerful.
Unfortunately for Microsoft there's alot more to performance than just Teraflops. If something goes wrong then sometimes they don't end up being the best way to measure performance in games.
Whether it's the dev tools or the actual design of the hardware something is making Teraflop comparisons look out of place with these two systems.
Romulus
Member
Let's look at the past, how many consoles started out winning multiplatform, then suddenly started losing? Even PS3 which is an extreme example could barely muster a small % of multiplatform wins after years of losing and developing better tools for exploiting its "potential." We have about 3-4 years before mid gen refreshes(considering how well the last ones sold), and the only chance XSX has at this point has is to split the difference. Win some, lose some. You will not see huge wins like PS2 vs Xbox or even lesser PS4 vs Xbox one type diffferences. Those days are over, and anything X or PS5 win will mostly be caught up in dynamic resolution or a few frames. All this "most powerful" console stuff is horseshit.
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Skifi28
Member
Not so sure about that. It was a CPU limited game and the Xone actually had a higher clocked CPU.
People are taking this to much to heart. Yes the PS5 version performs better, that doesn't change much.
We have several example of games running better on PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X. Nobody is saying the PS4 Pro is more powerful...
We have several example of games running better on PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X. Nobody is saying the PS4 Pro is more powerful...
Skifi28
Member
Wait until E3.
They may run better in terms of framerate, but usually the X has much higher resolution (sometimes devs were a bit too ambitious) showing the gap in GPU power. In the few games where they are at the same res, I can't imagine a single case where the Pro performs better.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
#ToolGate
Imagine thinking that a results from games nullify the value of a machine that has a 15% determent over the other one.
I get it, this is a dick measuring thread. But 15% isn't that bad, BOTH machines are good.
Pick which one you like.
Imagine that.
The real tools in the console wars are the warriors.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It's fucked up no matter if it's going to take even like 1 month, because that means some games in far future is going to be builded by that. Not those who go live in few months.
Freelance Yakuza
Member
As I said before, Ps4 had a power advantage from Day One
BUT let's not forget how Ps3 suffered for years until Devs got familiarized with the system (and its tools). GTA 5 runs better on ps3, GTA 4 doesn't.
BUT let's not forget how Ps3 suffered for years until Devs got familiarized with the system (and its tools). GTA 5 runs better on ps3, GTA 4 doesn't.
ABnormal
Member
Are you serious? Doing stable 4k/60 fps is very simple for these consoles... if you keep rendering comlexity below a certain level.
Developers simply try to push as much as possible, playing around the limits. When a particular game situation goes beyond that limit, something has to be lowered. It's just a developer's choice.
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Actually the Pro performed better on some japanese games that are often better optimised for the PS4 Pro.
PS3 games not only looked like PURE SHIT but also ran like cats with tinsel hanging out of their assholes.
The PS3 was awful until 2 years into it's life, then it finally had parity with the 360, even then image quality suffered in games that were grainy AF like Red Dead Redemption.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
He is still being dishonest. the clip can be seen here. you can see the xbox framerate stay between 46-48 while the ps5 remains locked with just a couple of drops to 58 and 59. even if you take the lowest ps5 number and the lowest xbox number, the gap is 25% or more for the average through out that clip.
timestamped. 14:04 to 14:23. Xbox starts at 49 then stays at 47-48 for the rest of the 20 second clip dropping to 46 once. PS5 literally drops down to 58 once for a second then goes back to 60 fps locked for the entire 20 second clip. one drop.
And regardless, in the article, there is no mention of average. He wrote 'at its worst' and still mentioned 15%. absolute nonsense. no at its worst, its 46 vs 60 fps. which is a 30% difference.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Its so bizzare, since MS had these console out for a while for some reason i thought this gen their were more prepared and confident but the tools are not matured enough?
aren't they the one taunting about no more generation, etc. they should first focus on how to scale their own games across their home hardware and make it easy to develop
Super disappointed, instead of seeing an advantage of better GPU we are seeing worse performance *facepalm*
I don't know what to believe anymore, i mean number don't lie but at the same time its a stornger hardware and performing worse. Both of this is true lol
aren't they the one taunting about no more generation, etc. they should first focus on how to scale their own games across their home hardware and make it easy to develop
Super disappointed, instead of seeing an advantage of better GPU we are seeing worse performance *facepalm*
I don't know what to believe anymore, i mean number don't lie but at the same time its a stornger hardware and performing worse. Both of this is true lol
Skifi28
Member
I don't know if you're referring to obscure stuff, I can't think of any well known games with that behavior. Some examples would be nice. Even so, the point still stands 1-2 games don't mean much when talking about the general trend.
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Shmunter
Member
Reading between the noise the PS5 will likely increase it’s performance more from here. I make this assumption based on the following;
Carney presented the geometry engine as a programmable unit capable of some serious rendering impact. This is a new paradigm, and anything new is not used early on in a tech lifecycle, we are yet to see this implemented.
The SSD is not just a fast loading device in next gen. It is a memory feeding machine. Again detailed by Cerney. Games will need to cut loose their last gen ambitions to exploit this new way of design.
We’ve seen the UE5 demo. This is the future, based on the above components. It won’t just be Ue5 to exploit the techniques, other engines and developers will tap into next gen design in time.
Very early days for ps5.
Yoboman
Member
How long until we get a DF article, "Does framerate really matter?"
Does resolution really matter?
This one took us by surprise. A study undertaken by US pollmeisters Nielsen revealed this week that "better resolution"…
www.eurogamer.net
Hawking Radiation
Member
Right.
Now that we've established that all multiplatform games will be about equal can we all just focus on the actual games now?
Now that we've established that all multiplatform games will be about equal can we all just focus on the actual games now?
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
He's being sarcastic. (That's a reference to an xbox exec)
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onnextflix5
Member
Name one game that performs better on ps4 pro on the same resolution. Its clear the xsx has some bottle necks, which probably needs a lot of effort to work around, doubt any devs will bother outside of first party.
Yoboman
Member
Only after ALL of the crow has been eaten
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
You're giving this community way too much credit.
NullZ3r0
Banned
If you lack the technical knowledge to understand that more mature dev tools can better take advantage of more powerful hardware, then explaining this to you would be a waste of time.
NullZ3r0
Banned
How do you like yours? Extra crispy? After all the stuff Sony had to walk back these last few months, you would think you guys would be a little more cautious than to get hot and heavy with multi-platform cross gen games.
There's a reason MS dev tools are late. They waited at the absolute latest moment to get the best silicon AMD had. When the games start pulling away, they will pull away.
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sircaw
Banned
This shit is some of the most disgraceful shit i have ever seen.
i mean wow, no i mean WOW!
A year from now, if we still haven't reached the shore, I'm off the boat.
On a serious note, there's plenty of highly performing games on XSX, Valhalla just happens to not be one of them.
Gears 5 is breathtaking and Call of the Sea apparently runs at 4k120 with RT but gosh does this console need some bangers. I really hope to see another Hellblade 2 trailer at the Game awards..
Why the fuck xbox fans trying to find excuses when that should be Microsoft's job. Pathetic tbh .
Seems clear PS5 gonna be clear winner like PS4 in terms of sales and their meme marketing PR just fall down after launch.
Releasing a 500$ console with no games was always absolute joke move. Here play these games you already played hehe now 10 fps more.
Seems clear PS5 gonna be clear winner like PS4 in terms of sales and their meme marketing PR just fall down after launch.
Releasing a 500$ console with no games was always absolute joke move. Here play these games you already played hehe now 10 fps more.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Damn, so he confirms that PS5 is using V-Sync, which has an FPS penalty on PS5 in favor of avoiding tearing, yet it's much more stable both resolution and FPS! Without PS5's V-Sync and with unlocked framerates the difference is going to be staggering if it's already 15% average with more than 30% max (as in one point it was running 1440p on XSX and 1720p on PS5, so it's not a clean cut).
Javthusiast
Banned
Sending my Series S back to MediaMarkt as I am still in the 14 day return option period.
Yes GamePass has a lot of games, but so does my psplus and psn backlog that I still have barely touched. EA play is mostly old stuff and I hated how Jedi Fallen Order felt playing anyway.
Unfortunately I already spend 45€ on 12 months xbox live gold which I then converted to 14 months of game pass ultimate for 1€. But my crappy pc will be able to play some old games plus many indies I think, so I will get my moneys worth there.
If I won't be able to snag a ps5 this thursday while refreshing multiple retailer sites like a maniac, then I will use the currently running MediaMarkt offer of a Switch Lite plus Mario 3d All Stars collection for 229€ and enjoy Nintendo exclusives in addition to my old rusty ps4. xD
Yes GamePass has a lot of games, but so does my psplus and psn backlog that I still have barely touched. EA play is mostly old stuff and I hated how Jedi Fallen Order felt playing anyway.
Unfortunately I already spend 45€ on 12 months xbox live gold which I then converted to 14 months of game pass ultimate for 1€. But my crappy pc will be able to play some old games plus many indies I think, so I will get my moneys worth there.
If I won't be able to snag a ps5 this thursday while refreshing multiple retailer sites like a maniac, then I will use the currently running MediaMarkt offer of a Switch Lite plus Mario 3d All Stars collection for 229€ and enjoy Nintendo exclusives in addition to my old rusty ps4. xD
sircaw
Banned
HAHAH just so damn good, best thing today, Legend lol
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
Why obsess over what is clearly a bug on the Series X? It’s dropping 14FPS after equipping a torch. Clearly something isn’t quite right. Between that, the stuttering cutscene camera and pretty bad tearing I’d say some further work may be in order on the Series version. Still, great to see the PS5 yet again with consistent launch title performance.
Seems good idea if you arent interested in their games. I'm personally sick of Forza halo gears or fable tbh. None of titles evolve and courage to redefine them like gow 2018.
Rather play 10 great games that i will always remember then fodder of zzz pass
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
You do know that its stuttering because the resolution is too high? the stuttering is a symptom of not a bug but poor performance.
Also, the PS5 has vsync and the xbox series x doesnt. vsync is usually a hit on the gpu as well. not sure how much.
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
Sales of what? GamePass already has 15 million subscribers and the gen hasn't started yet
Let PS5 surpass those numbers first
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
MS used great "marketing" to trick gamers, gaming journalists, and YouTubers. They did it before with the "Power of the Cloud" talk. MS does this a lot without backing things up. There was always going to be generations. It's been this way for 30+ years in the console industry. There's nothing that MS can do to stop that.
Well 15 Million x 1 dollar deal doesn't seem much when Spider-Man alone sold 20 million copy (say average 40$)Sales of what? GamePass already has 15 million subscribers and the gen hasn't started yet
diffusionx
Gold Member
PS5 gets the obvious win here, which it should not have based on everything we have heard, but I can't wait until we can stop talking about this garbage dump game.
We do, but one of the first One X enhanced games was Shadow of War, which blew away the Pro - higher res, frame rate, used the 12GB of RAM for better textures, etc.
The Series X performance is just not good enough here, as DF even says in the video.
We do, but one of the first One X enhanced games was Shadow of War, which blew away the Pro - higher res, frame rate, used the 12GB of RAM for better textures, etc.
The Series X performance is just not good enough here, as DF even says in the video.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Loading is not all done by the SSD. Those 3 seconds are probably result of
PS5 SSD advantage loading + PS5 CPU doing work - XSX CPU advantage doing work = 3s
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Last time I'm posting this:
According to Dirt 5's technical director in this interview 2 days ago, Xbox's SDK/GDK is mostly complete:
David Spingate said:
Timestamped:
This kinda debunks the claim that Series X is behind because the tools are behind Sony's....
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TrebleShot
Member
So what I'm supposed to believe is that XSX tooling will close the gap because PS5 tooling is finite and complete and will never be improved upon thus extending the gap further.
Hmm
Hmm
BluRayHiDef
Banned
It's pretty obvious that the issue with the Xbox Series X is that developers haven't had enough time to develop their games on it as they've had with the PlayStation 5 due to its dev kits arriving late. Also, its API probably needs to be updated.
Keep in mind that I don't have an Xbox Series X; I have a PlayStation 5 and a PC. However, I'm not biased.
Keep in mind that I don't have an Xbox Series X; I have a PlayStation 5 and a PC. However, I'm not biased.
So both john and richard from DF are lying ?
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
lol wut? nah generation thing has already gone. All your accessories and games coming forward also old hardwares will still be supported for 2-3 years. And considering those were jaguar CPU thats still nuts. series x and ps5 will easily last even longer. Anyways thats not the part that pissed me off. MS just didn't apply blurring the new and old generation logic to their dev tools. They should have been matured enough for devs to fully take advantage (If tools are to blame)
MoistPenetration
Neo Member
Don’t worry guys, the power of the cloud should kick in any second now
MasterCornholio
Member
Maybe not all dev kits are the same. I read about Sony having multiple dev kits so maybe the same happened with Microsoft.
However I don't know if everything is the tools fault. I really doubt Colts claims of a 50% performance lead when the tools get fixed. I honestly never seen anything like that happen before.
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