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[German Hops]

So I saw a locked medical thread on another forum about getting circumcision in later life and it made me wonder what GAF's views on non-medical circumcision are?

Personally I'm not circumcised and would never want to be, and I think it's a completely backward and unnecessary tradition.

The arguments pro-circumcision say that it has health and hygiene benefits, but I think these are largely myths or are insignificant at best. If you have access to soap and clean water then there is no hygiene issue whatsoever. The religious arguments to me are just a joke; if you honestly think you won't get into heaven unless you chop bits of your knob off, you're a mental case, in my opinion.

Personally I find any stimulation to the glans when not aroused to be very painful, so to have it rubbing against my pants all the time wouldn't be very nice, unless it gradually becomes less sensitive, but then that would surely mean that it reduces sexual sensitivity as well?

There are certain medical conditions such as phimosis where circumcision obviously makes sense, but for a normal male I can't see any logical reason for it.

Thoughts?

For anyone interested:

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[Deleted member 801069]

I’m not concerned with what someone else does to their penis tbh

 

[Rentahamster]

While data suggests that circumcision may confer a protective effect against HIV, and it's fine if an adult elects to have that procedure done to themselves, I'm not convinced that it is worth allowing parents to make that decision for their kids, especially since it involves the physical trauma of cutting the kid's dick.

 

[finowns]

People should be allowed to do what they want. Circumcision is an appropriate action in our culture and will continue to be practiced. It’s not traumatic and not worth getting worked up for. I think circumcision in porn is where all this angst comes from.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I agree with you, OP. Circumcision does not make sense. The disadvantages of circumcision outweighs any minor advantages that it may have.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

People should be allowed to do what they want. Circumcision is an appropriate action in our culture and will continue to be practiced. It’s not traumatic and not worth getting worked up for. I think circumcision in porn is where this all this angst comes from.

“People should be allowed to do what they want” - how many people make the decision to get circumcised by themselves?

Also, what do you mean appropriate action in your culture?

 

[Deleted member 801069]

I think circumcision in porn is where this all this angst comes from.

I’ve heard from many women how unattractive they find an uncircumcised penis to be, so I understand where the angst comes from for those who are uncircumcised.

 

[finowns]

“People should be allowed to do what they want” - how many people make the decision to get circumcised by themselves?

Also, what do you mean appropriate action in your culture?

Meaning parents should be able to circumcise their child. And circumcision is socially acceptable in America.

 

[Stilton Disco]

I'm opposed to having it performed on children who have no say in the matter, regardless of the reason.

However, once you're over 16, legally you should be able to perform any kind of body modification you want, assuming you or someone else is willing and able to perform it.

As a Brit mind, I find the weird ubiquity of circumcision in the US for non religious purposes just nutty.

Unless it's a medical necessity, the only benefits to circumcision can be achieved by the non circumcised, simply by just washing regularly.

 

[Rentahamster]

I’ve heard from many women how unattractive they find an uncircumcised penis to be, so I understand where the angst comes from for those who are uncircumcised.

How many of them are American? Having sex globally really makes you aware of how America-centric the practice is.

 

[Rentahamster]

Meaning parents should be able to circumcise their child. And circumcision is socially acceptable in America.

"because it's socially acceptable" does not address the OP's points. He's asking if the practice is logical. Social acceptance is not a logical reason in this context.

 

[nush]

Personally I'm not circumcised and would never want to be, and I think it's a completely backward and unnecessary tradition.

Wait until you get older an Phimosis has a high chance of happening. Nobody tell you that's a thing for older guys.

 

[DonJorginho]

Wait until you get older an Phimosis has a high chance of happening. Nobody tell you that's a thing for older guys.

As someone who's went through phimosis it isn't a big issue, getting a cream from your GP solves it pretty quickly

 

[Deleted member 801069]

How many of them are American? Having sex globally really makes you aware of how America-centric the practice is.

the preference is really not just an American thing

Sex and Male Circumcision: Women’s Preferences Across Different Cultures and Countries: A Systematic Review

Women’s choices for a sexual partner are influenced by numerous personal, cultural, social, political and religious factors, and may also include aspects of penile anatomy such as male circumcision (MC) status.To perform a systematic review examining ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“In the overwhelming majority of studies, women expressed a preference for the circumcised penis. The main reasons given for this preference were better appearance, better hygiene, reduced risk of infection, and enhanced sexual activity, including vaginal intercourse, manual stimulation, and fellatio. In studies that assessed mothers’ preference for MC of sons, health, disease prevention, and hygiene were cited as major reasons for this preference. Cultural differences in preference were evident among some of the studies examined. Nevertheless, a preference for a circumcised penis was seen in most populations regardless of the frequency of MC in the study setting.”

edit: to answer your specific question directed at me, I’ve heard it from women in the USA, Mexico, few European countries and China.

 

[nush]

As someone who's went through phimosis it isn't a big issue, getting a cream from your GP solves it pretty quickly

Didn't work for me, was the full snip snip and MC Hammer parachute pants for two weeks.

 

[finowns]

"because it's socially acceptable" does not address the OP's points. He's asking if the practice is logical. Social acceptance is not a logical reason in this context.

My comment was that the controversy itself is largely nonsensical and I think one sided.

 

[RoadHazard]

If an adult decides to do it it's whatever, although I can never understand why you'd want to.

Doing it to children when there's no need is child abuse and should be illegal, just like female genital mutilation.

I’ve heard from many women how unattractive they find an uncircumcised penis to be, so I understand where the angst comes from for those who are uncircumcised.

As a Swede, I've never heard this (only on American forums), or even heard it brought up as a thing to discuss at all. It's just not a topic here at all.

 

[German Hops]

Wait until you get older an Phimosis has a high chance of happening. Nobody tell you that's a thing for older guys.

I said that in the OP:

There are certain medical conditions such as phimosis where circumcision obviously makes sense, but for a normal male I can't see any logical reason for it.

 

[JimiNutz]

I imagine getting the procedure as an adult is hell.

After surgery what happens when you get a boner? I bet that's incredibly painful and takes a long time to heal.

 

[brap]

Anteater dicks are gross lmao. Only people that defend them are people with them.

 

[DonJorginho]

Didn't work for me, was the full snip snip and MC Hammer parachute pants for two weeks.

I feel for you brother, heard nightmare stories from a mate who wore jeans the first day out the hospital and actually ripped his stitches.

 

[bajouras]

Yup, almost everything about it (if not everything) sucks hard.
Source: me.

 

[nush]

I feel for you brother, heard nightmare stories from a mate who wore jeans the first day out the hospital and actually ripped his stitches.

I had to rush back home before the anesthetic wore off!

 

[nush]

I imagine getting the procedure as an adult is hell.

After surgery what happens when you get a boner? I bet that's incredibly painful and takes a long time to heal.

and that kills the boner.

 

[bajouras]

and that kills the boner.

I got the procedure made like 3 years ago (am 29) and the boner didnt die... I had to clench my ass cheeks or leg muscles to drain blood from the dick for the boner to end. Also, woke up every single day with a boner during recovery.

 

[Foamy]

I'll have to remember to call my parents and thank them for having me cut.

 

[JimiNutz]

and that kills the boner.

Yeah I'm sure the pain helps to kill the boner but once the dick is hard the damage has already been done.

I got the procedure made like 3 years ago (am 29) and the boner didnt die... I had to clench my ass cheeks or leg muscles to drain blood from the dick for the boner to end. Also, woke up every single day with a boner during recovery.

See this sounds like hell.
Was it worth it in the end?

 

[RoadHazard]

Anteater dicks are gross lmao. Only people that defend them are people with them.

The only people who defend circumcised dicks are those who had it done to them as children and had no choice.

I've never heard anyone say "man, I wish my dick was cut" here in Sweden where it's not the cultural norm, nor that it's somehow "gross". It's the natural state of the penis.

 

[Rentahamster]

the preference is really not just an American thing

Sex and Male Circumcision: Women’s Preferences Across Different Cultures and Countries: A Systematic Review

Women’s choices for a sexual partner are influenced by numerous personal, cultural, social, political and religious factors, and may also include aspects of penile anatomy such as male circumcision (MC) status.To perform a systematic review examining ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“In the overwhelming majority of studies, women expressed a preference for the circumcised penis. The main reasons given for this preference were better appearance, better hygiene, reduced risk of infection, and enhanced sexual activity, including vaginal intercourse, manual stimulation, and fellatio. In studies that assessed mothers’ preference for MC of sons, health, disease prevention, and hygiene were cited as major reasons for this preference. Cultural differences in preference were evident among some of the studies examined. Nevertheless, a preference for a circumcised penis was seen in most populations regardless of the frequency of MC in the study setting.”

edit: to answer your specific question directed at me, I’ve heard it from women in the USA, Mexico, few European countries and China.

The limitations of the study must also be considered.

Women’s opinions regarding such factors as penile appearance, hygiene, and disease risk do not require the women to have experienced sexual activity with both circumcised and uncircumcised men. Although such opinions may influence these women’s choice of sexual partners, it should be noted that only women who have had sexual experience with both circumcised and uncircumcised men can provide valid data on outcomes from such activities.

Among the others that the researchers listed.

In my experience all the non-American girls I've boned encountered mine as their first cut dick. No one seemed particularly attracted to it more or less, just intrigued because of its difference. The ones I directly asked didn't seem to care one way or the other. 100% liked my dick not because it is cut, but because I fuck like a pro

 

[notseqi]

I’ve heard from many women how unattractive they find an uncircumcised penis to be, so I understand where the angst comes from for those who are uncircumcised.

If they complain when seeing an uncircumcised shlong it's probably already too late.

 

[bender]

 

[brap]

The only people who defend circumcised dicks are those who had it done to them as children and had no choice.

I've never heard anyone say "man, I wish my dick was cut" here in Sweden where it's not the cultural norm, nor that it's somehow "gross". It's the natural state of the penis.

Spotted the upset anteater cheese dick lol

If they complain when seeing an uncircumcised shlong it's probably already too late.

Anteater guys are rapists???

 

[German Hops]

Ah man, that's painful to watch..

 

[notseqi]

Anteater guys are rapists???

All men are rapists, have you learned nothing. It's just a tad funnier when they look like anteaters.

 

[p_xavier]

I got circumcised as an adult and it's just advantages. Sex and bj feel better, I can last hours now, and it's just visually pleasant, especially with my piercings.

 

[RoadHazard]

Spotted the upset anteater cheese dick lol

Cleaning yourself isn't hard.

 

[Mexen]

I was 4 when it happened. I couldn't tell you the pros or cons from experience because I don't particularly remember what having a foreskin feels like. I will tell you what having my penas feels like (yikes, I never thought I would say that)

- not uncomfortable in my pants
- stimulation doesn't take long
- cleaning is pretty straight forward
- something about being obliviously dry that just resonates with me lol
- my partner prefers it (I think, she hasn't complained so far haha)

Maybe this is one of those topics that require one to look at their personal reasons for doing or not doing it as opposed to what's generally acceptable or makes societal sense. I know I never had a choice but hey, it worked out just fine for me. Good discussion though.

 

[German Hops]

Cleaning yourself isn't hard.

Exactly. The only time I've experienced dick cheese (smegma) was when I didn't bathe for a week straight.

Otherwise, it's a non-issue, provided you have soap and water.

 

[M1chl]

I’ve heard from many women how unattractive they find an uncircumcised penis to be, so I understand where the angst comes from for those who are uncircumcised.

Meh it's opposite in Europe, the narrative here is that you should wear this badge in your car:

And besides no one in States complained I guess size helped

 

[bajouras]

See this sounds like hell.
Was it worth it in the end?

Well, I used to have searing pain arround the Glans (head) of the penis once in a while due to the foreskin beeing too small. So I went from, searing pain once in a while to, painless dick but disfigured. Fair trade I guess. But I wouldn't do it knowing it now.

 

[Kamina]

I often hear pro arguments based on hygiene concern, and while it certainly is a way to treat that it feels a little overkill to be honest. Pulling pack the foreskin to apply soap below and rinsing it takes a few seconds during showering. No need to cut the skin off. The statistics regarding issues in that area based on lack of hygiene are portably influenced by the fact that not everyone is as cleanly as another might think.
The way I see it: if nature made it like it is its probably not meant to be cut off. Especially if a little cleanliness can usually remedy all negatives, and that is generally never a bad idea.

 

[Birdo]

I was circumcised when I was 35, because I got phimosis (Skin rash caused tightening of the foreskin).

It sucks. It has taken away about 20% of the sensitivity and sensual feeling. There is a reason you have a foreskin.

It should be illegal to perform this operation for non-medical reasons. PERIOD.

 

[The Hamburglar]

The only people defending circumcisions are Americans because they had it forced on them .

to the person above me I always wondered if a adult who had foreskin then lost it when they were older could tell the difference in sex

there you have it folks - no foreskin; worst sex.

 

[Hotty Botty]

I recently had a son. My wife is from a background that circumcises without a second thought and I am not. We had a discussion regarding what to do with the baby boy. According to the American Board of Pediatrics, their most recent statement on circumcision is that there are no health benefits other than prophylaxis against HIV transmission amongst same sex partners. This is based on research studies conducted regarding infection rates amongst those who are and aren’t circumcised. The research had shown no difference in infection rates.
Thus, we did not circumcise our boy.

 

[notseqi]

I was circumcised when I was 35, because I got phimosis (Skin rash caused tightening of the foreskin).

Same, at 23. I don't care about looks but so much sensitivity is lost, I'd say 30-40%. And lasting longer is not always a good thing.

I recently had a son. My wife is from a background that circumcises without a second thought and I am not. We had a discussion regarding what to do with the baby boy. According to the American Board of Pediatrics, their most recent statement on circumcision is that there are no health benefits other than prophylaxis against HIV transmission amongst same sex partners. This is based on research studies conducted regarding infection rates amongst those who are and aren’t circumcised. The research had shown no difference in infection rates.
Thus, we did not circumcise our boy.

What if you decide later to raise your son gay?

 

[Compsiox]

Same, at 23. I don't care about looks but so much sensitivity is lost, I'd say 30-40%. And lasting longer is not always a good thing.


What if you decide later to raise your son gay?

HE CAN MAKE THAT DECISIIOON HIMSELF ONCEE HEEE GROWS UPPPPPP

 

[FreedomOfSpeech]

Physically I don't think there's many good arguments for chopping off part of your infant's weener.
But if you look at it from a tribal perspective, it sure seems to have an important function.

Whatever works in the real world is better than what one might philosophize to be 'good'.

 

[highrider]

Don’t you want your son to have a handsome cock? Why saddle him with that in America? Another country where it’s more common then it’s fine. But to me the choice is clear.

 

[Soodanim]

If you try and tell me circumcision has hygiene benefits, what you're actually telling me is that you don't like to have a wash. You disgusting beast of a human.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Basically wash your dick. Circumcision was made for people that cant even do that so they say its for higene purposes. I mean if your parents by now havent told you which parts of body you need to was on a daily basis then theres no hope for you. One of my friends got his dick pierced and showed it to me...that was the first time I saw a circumcised penis. Was so disgusting..all crusty and dry Im like poor females what they gotta deal with.