Here are the games I'm interested inHere is the list of games I'm interested in:
PS5:
Horizon Forbidden West
Demons Souls
Series X:
Halo
Forza
Flight Sim
Hellblade 2
Avowed
State of Decay 3
Fable
Everwild
Score: PS5 2 - 8 XSX
Winner: Xbox Series X
It's a little tongue in cheek, I feel HB2 should just have been there, or not. Instead we got aerial shots of Iceland, which while pretty are probably better off for a dev-diary.Hellblade 2 already had a trailer way back.
I would've liked to have seen gameplay tho.
Is Sony going to have another showcase? I heard that Microsoft is going to have another one, maybe even more?
Sony has a State of Play next month and a teardown of the PS5 coming, some more internals explained and the cooling solutionHellblade 2 already had a trailer way back.
I would've liked to have seen gameplay tho.
Is Sony going to have another showcase? I heard that Microsoft is going to have another one, maybe even more?
Here is the list of games I'm interested in:
PS5:
Horizon Forbidden West
Demons Souls
Series X:
Halo
Forza
Flight Sim
Hellblade 2
Avowed
State of Decay 3
Fable
Everwild
Score: PS5 2 - 8 XSX
Winner: Xbox Series X
I understand the enthusiasm, but this isn't meant to be a look at who's better, rather a way to, at a glance, understand why some people felt the way they did with one show or the other.Here are the games I'm interested in
PS5:
Spider-man Miles Morales
Returnal
Horizon Forbidden West
Ratchet and Clank
Lost Soul Aside
Gran Turismo 7
Astro's Playroom
Project Awakening
Wild
Demon Souls
Xbox Series X:
Forza
Everwild
Avowed
Crossfire X
Hellblade 2
Sony has a State of Play next month and a teardown of the PS5 coming, some more internals explained and the cooling solution
Quit cryingI find it unbelievably rude to come to other people's threads and try and spam a copy-pasted list.
If you want to contribute, put effort.
I was just messing with blly155I understand the enthusiasm, but this isn't meant to be a look at who's better, rather a way to, at a glance, understand why some people felt the way they did with one show or the other.
Tastes are going to vary, but really both had similar length shows, with a similar number of titles and exclusives; the key difference in my chart being in how those titles were showcased, and which were new.
If you want to compare what games YOU liked in either show, there's other threads for that.
Put effort in your list then!Quit crying
I know, but still let's stick to the topic.I was just messing with blly155
Is a single game running on Series X?
Another example of Microsoft promising but not showing. They been doing this for 5 years and their fanbase eat that shit up.
I'm getting flashbacks
Phantom Dust CG trailer - turns out to be nothing
ReCore from the creators of Metroid Prime - turns out to be B level average game
Scalebound - cancelled
Fable Legends - cancelled
It just doesn't make any sense why should we trust Microsoft without them showing gameplay. All these games look like fall 2022 games and even if they do come out there is no guarantee they will even deliver. Will people buy a Series X based on promises.
#webelieveinphil
Put effort in your list then!
Wtf should I do with a shitty copy-paste from some blog?
I know, but still let's stick to the topic.
I find you unbelievably sensitive and easily offended like a spoiled child. Grow a thicker skin. Nobody is attacking you. Grow up.I find it unbelievably rude to come to other people's threads and try and spam a copy-pasted list.
If you want to contribute, put effort.
Thread is open for discussion. If you don't like my comments move to another thread and stop whining.OP is comparing the last two shows for both companies. If you want to compare all shows, then make your own thread and stop whining
I'm absolutely not cherry-picking anything. I listed all games announced at each show, as well as timed-exclusives.
In fact, if you bothered to check you'd count more highlighted exclusives for XBox's show...
I used these because they were:
1) The major software showcases for each company
2) Primarily focused on next-gen titles, and experiences coming exclusively/first on their systems
3) Were of similar length and scope
4) Were very similar in how they presented content, just a series of trailers
I made no comment about the quality of either show or offer, and I clearly laid down my methodology for people to disagree with.
You've chosen to ignore it, and pretend I have an agenda by "listing the games presented and how they were shown".
I'm sorry that looking at the actual shows themselves, not at multiplatform games that were announced near them, makes it look to you as if XBox has no games, something which I never claimed from the graph.
Hyped for what exactly? In terms of games for the next year or 2?MS just need to show a next gen tech demo.
Forza was close.
But we need a longer tech demo.
Even getting UE5 running on SX next month is enough to get hyped
Considering the amount of CGI trailers, I'm guessing a lot of those MS games are anywhere from 2 to 4 years off, maybe end 2021 at best for like 1. How many first party MS games are actually confirmed for launch/launch window at this point? Just Halo Infinite?
No that was not the totality what MS would have shown at an E3. Their E3 shows in the past had focus on major third-party content, like opening with Call of Duty, for example. That was essentially a first-party Game Pass showcase.Those two conferences are essentially the main blowouts for the respective next gen consoles, they are basically what the E3 conferences would have been had it happened (and if Sony were to actually attend).
It's a perfectly fair comparison.
If you want to do comparisons comparing everything and anything for the two consoles then make a new thread instead of harassing the OP.
Thread is open for discussion. If you don't like my comments move to another thread and stop whining.
Demos is one thing.MS just need to show a next gen tech demo.
Forza was close.
But we need a longer tech demo.
Even getting UE5 running on SX next month is enough to get hyped
Nobody is attacking the og poster either by suggesting they put more effort in their posts.I find you unbelievably sensitive and easily offended like a spoiled child. Grow a thicker skin. Nobody is attacking you. Grow up.
The May event was a primarily third party focused event, unlike the PS5 Reveal and the XBox game showcase.Xbox has had more than one showcase. Both were major showcases.
Yeah, I assume this is why they're pushing the "upgrade patches" for last gen so hard, to make their first party lineup look bigger.This is the essence of Microsoft's problem: they're at least a year, and probably 2 years, behind Sony in terms of exclusive output.
Their 2021 release schedule looks embarrassingly barren. Probably Forza - was there anything else? Sony look like they'll have 6 or 7 first party games in the same time.
It's going to be a really punishing first year for Xbox. After 2022 they can probably compete pretty well with Sony, but I guess they'll be hopelessly behind by then.
Yeah, I assume this is why they're pushing the "upgrade patches" for last gen so hard, to make their first party lineup look bigger.
IMHO, neither has shown next-gen gameplay.
Halo was running on a PC and there were no gameplay demos in the ps5 showcase.
Whatever is in a trailer, no matter how convincing, is highly suspect and I include even the gran turismo bit in trial mountain. Unless the dev comes forward and says "yes in the trailer that was real gameplay" I'm not buying it.
That doesn't make any sense. Why's it more suspect because it's presented in a trailer rather than a separate demo?
Trailer trickery goes a long way back. We have a lot of examples of trailers that appeared to depict real gameplay but were just CGI designed to look like gameplay. Unless there's a clear statement that it is "real gameplay", assume the worst specially when we're in the early stages of a new generation.
IMHO, neither has shown next-gen gameplay.
Halo was running on a PC and there were no gameplay demos in the ps5 showcase.
Whatever is in a trailer, no matter how convincing, is highly suspect and I include even the gran turismo bit in trial mountain. Unless the dev comes forward and says "yes in the trailer that was real gameplay" I'm not buying it.
It was copied from the first page. If it bothers you that more was announced for xbox then you listed, in the op, then just say so.Put effort in your list then!
Wtf should I do with a shitty copy-paste from some blog?
I know, but still let's stick to the topic.
LOL but why is it more suspect in a trailer than a demo, specifically?
Literally none of the gameplay shown in Sony's trailers looked like it couldn't be done. The GT7 footage even had noticeable pop in FFS.
On the other hand, the most egregious examples of BS 'gameplay' from recent years, Watchdogs, The Division, and Anthem, all came from extended demos.
It's easier to fake a trailer and we've got plenty examples.
This industry has a long history of misrepresenting the actual product in marketing materials. Given that, if you wanna believe a trailer is real gameplay without an explicit statement from the devs, when these consoles have not yet hit market and are still in development, it's up to you.
It's easier to fake a trailer and we've got plenty examples.
This industry has a long history of misrepresenting the actual product in marketing materials. Given that, if you wanna believe a trailer is real gameplay without an explicit statement from the devs, when these consoles have not yet hit market and are still in development, it's up to you.
HOW is it easier to fake? I keep asking for an explanation but you don't provide any.
As far as I'm concerned gameplay either looks plausible or it doesn't. Whether it's presented as part of a trailer or as a dedicated demo seems completely fucking irrelevant.
Didn't Spiderman get downgraded?
Regardless tho you're right.
It doesn't even have to be for devious reasons it could also be that they genuinely plan for a game to look one way and have it running but then later on things just ain't working properly and they have to cut corners.
Believing everything that you see in a trailer tho has to be the height of naivety, it's like believing that the food you get in food commercials will be of the same quality.
Doesn't mean that the food isn't tasty, but they go the extra mile in commercials to make you buy.
It's not irrelevant because you can touch the visuals up in a controlled environment to make things look better.
If you don't think that game companies would do that for a trailer you're wrong, even in movies they do this sometimes they go as far as shooting scenes that they know won't even be in the movie just to have it in the trailer.
HOW is it easier to fake? I keep asking for an explanation but you don't provide any.
As far as I'm concerned gameplay either looks plausible or it doesn't. Whether it's presented as part of a trailer or as a dedicated demo seems completely fucking irrelevant.
Modern game engines do offline rendering. You can queue a bunch of actions and have the game engine render it out, even at 1fps, similar to rendering video using a video editor. You can even do it in-hardware so you can use tag lines like recorded in engine on actual ps5 hardware.
It's often use to generate cinematics using better assets than it would be possible so they better integrate with the game. But you can also use it to generate convincing material for trailers.
Fair enough. So what examples do you have?
That makes it even more lazy, he didn't even make it himself, he just copy-pasted someone else'sIt was copied from the first page. If it bothers you that more was announced for xbox then you listed, in the op, then just say so.
However you listed gta5 which was third party, and missed all the games ms had in the preshow last week. There are a lot of indie games that are exclusive on xbox missing from your list. If you want to add something of value to the thread.
Ratchet?
They literally said so, yes.Did they say the trailer was real gameplay?
If Sony said it, ok I accept that as real gameplay. I'd like the source, as well.They literally said so, yes
It's the standard these companies have set. Do I really need to trot out the ps3 or ps4 reveals?It's pretty useless before release to pretend all companies were lying indiscriminately.
Running on-platform is meaningless as I explained earlier, "in-game" is more interesting: what trailers were marked as "in-game"? I just checked the GT7 trailer and nowhere I saw "in-game".I feel it's reasonable to be concerned about CGI/in-engine stuff, but a lot of what we've seen was actually running on-platform on PS5 or targeted specs at the XBox show. It's marked as "in-game trailers".
IMHO, neither has shown next-gen gameplay.
Halo was running on a PC and there were no gameplay demos in the ps5 showcase.
Whatever is in a trailer, no matter how convincing, is highly suspect and I include even the gran turismo bit in trial mountain. Unless the dev comes forward and says "yes in the trailer that was real gameplay" I'm not buying it.
Did they say the trailer was real gameplay?
Why? There was gameplay for many titles as stated by their developers and saying I don’t believe them is the opposite of objective.
If they were lying then we will know soon enough and they will have to face the music like 343 did.
It's in the actual PS5 stream , right before the gameplay.If Sony said it, ok I accept that as real gameplay. I'd like the source, as well.
You need to be able to discern what's to be believed and not. If you don't understand how these trailers come about, then you're just stuck poring over them at release to find meaningless differences. Same as with "puddlegate", where it was just cube maps had moved.It's the standard these companies have set. Do I really need to trot out the ps3 or ps4 reveals?
It is meaningful, because it means that developers actually had to get everything working as if it were running on your machine, not an hypothetical one (as WatchDogs did). You can actually point to rendering artifacts which wouldn't happen if it all were just a very convincing cutscene.Running on-platform is meaningless as I explained earlier, "in-game" is more interesting: what trailers were marked as "in-game"? I just checked the GT7 trailer and nowhere I saw "in-game".
Where did I say that showcases from different years should be included?So if this was a thread comparing Microsoft and Sonys E3 2018 conference, you'd still be bitching about objectivity because they had E3 conferences in 2017, 16 etc
You must really think the Xbox showcase was dogshit if this os your stance
How deluded do you have to be to see bias in directly comparing two first party software showcases?Where did I say that showcases from different years should be included?
If Sony had two conferences at E3 2018, I'd expect both to be included, yes. Only including one might indicate an agenda, wouldn't you think?
Interesting. I went to check the stream and they go from GT7 trailer, to Ratchet trailer, to a short speech from someone at Insomniac (who does NOT mention wether the footage is in-game, in-engine or whatever) to some more footage. I might have missed so please kindly provide a timestamp for the statement.It's in the actual PS5 stream , right before the gameplay.
You need to be able to discern what's to be believed and not. If you don't understand how these trailers come about, then you're just stuck poring over them at release to find meaningless differences. Same as with "puddlegate", where it was just cube maps had moved.
It is meaningful, because it means that developers actually had to get everything working as if it were running on your machine, not an hypothetical one (as WatchDogs did). You can actually point to rendering artifacts which wouldn't happen if it all were just a very convincing cutscene.
Changes will happen, but there can be no switcheroo as with a fake CGI or PC render.