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[derFeef]

It´s certanly possible that they drop out of the console/gaming business in the next 10 years.

Sony, Nintendo, ... everyone could face that.

 

[Interceptor]

More inside the article.



"Gamers want the best experiences possible — and they want a future-proof system," he told Polygon.


"Now, with Xbox One, we're stretching the canvas again so creators can design for the cloud with every game they make," he said. "In the next decade, every great game will tap the power of the cloud to deliver richer, more immersive worlds. We have a great offline game system in Xbox 360 that gets better when it's connected. We could have made another offline console, but then offline would have been the lowest common denominator design point for developers. We chose to take the progressive path."

I am really curious if he is able to speak a sentence without these words.

 

[MikeE21286]

Well that's the carrot for them to sell their always online DRM...

Marketing. Yuck.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Internet provided like Electricity or Telephone service...

He does realize the companies that run the Internet are monopolies, right?

Just like how his company is

So to even get to what he thinks the future would bring would mean breaking those companies up and starting up a price war
Is MS ready to be broken up too?

 

[killer rin]

can we just ban polygon from this site?

edit for clarification: polygon is just a PR piece for microsoft most of the time. I admit that i didn't read the full article but only because I didn't want to give that site any clicks.

No thank you. Gaf may have a track record for hating on Polygon or anybody who is even slightly positive about Microsoft, but Polygon does some really amazing Features.

 

[Woffls]

Can´t wait for the new and immersive worlds of Tetris.

There will be clouds covering the stack so you can't see what's going on and have to remember where all the blocks are. CLOOUUUDDDD POWEERRRRR!!

 

[Glorified G]

Until they are no longer needed yes.

Just like the servers for the original xbox is no longer needed

 

[Knoxcore]

Requiring me to connect to the cloud is another way of always online DRM. That's is absolutely unacceptable.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Bish is sitting back laughing at all of us right now.

 

[BengaBenga]

My question is how far will they go with all this? Will they intentionally gimp games that are not connected to prove the cloud is all powerful? Like turn down the resolution of any non connected game or cap the frame rate lower until you are connected so you can feel the power of the cloud? I am being serious because they can talk all they want the cloud is not going to make a noticeable difference to anyone unless they rig the game.

That would only work if there were no competitors. If they intentionally gimp games to prove the power of the cloud, PS4 and PC games would relatively look better compared to Xbone (something that might already happen anyway seeing the power difference).

 

[Eric C]

Sony, Nintendo, ... everyone could face that.

but if the games don't require online, it doesn't matter if the company goes out of business or not.

I could still play all the games I purchased without needing "the cloud" always online DRM.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

You know whats better Don fucking Mattrick; options.

 

[ascii42]

Can´t wait for the new and immersive worlds of Tetris.

Sequel?

 

[Ravage]

Sony, Nintendo, ... everyone could face that.

Their consoles will still play games even after they are gone. Xbone can't do that without 'permission' from Xbox servers.

 

[quest]

That would only work if there were no competitors. If they intentionally gimp games to prove the power of the cloud, PS4 and PC games would relatively look better compared to Xbone (something that might already happen anyway seeing the power difference).

You might be right but after sim city I don't trust any big publisher. They lied about the cloud computing then I have feeling they will lie about it in the future is all.

 

[Vlodril]

the power of the cloud compels you, the power of the cloud compels you.

 

[MCD]

Strange he would be saying that now because I clearly remember Geoff Keighley asking him about always online right after the reveal and he said it will work just like now.

 

[Anth0ny]

Xbox One is future proof

 

[Raide]

And who gets to decide when they are no longer needed?

When the services are no longer required or MS supersedes them with better tech.

 

[AOC83]

Same goes for Sony and Nintendo I guess.

And that wouldn´t prevent me from playing the games i bought for their platforms until they are turning into dust.

 

[alr1ght]

Well that's the carrot for them to sell their always online DRM...

Marketing. Yuck.

Yep. Expect to hear this phrase for years to come.

 

[Kibbles]

Lol so he straight up lied to SpikeTV in the post show.

 

[Amir0x]

Don Mattrick, president of Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft, told me that the decision to require internet for the Xbox One was driven by a desire to create a console unleashed from the technical limitations of today's not-entirely-connected society. Microsoft had a decision to make, he said; either create a console planted in the present or look to the future and create a device built on the concept that one day the internet will be as available as electricity or telephone service.

"Gamers want the best experiences possible — and they want a future-proof system," he told Polygon.

I want a future proof system. So why is it that your system is not future proofed? Why is your system technically inferior to PS4? Why do you keep trying to prop up what your system is capable of with nonsense buzzphrases like "the infinite power of CLOUD"? Why is it that you believe the future only entails people who want to be forever connected to your system with your draconian DRM measures? In what way does any of this nonsense benefit the individual who just wants to get on their console, put in a game and then turn it off?

Aye, this is a classic sleight of hand. If you pretend that the reason you're doing what you're doing is for "gamers", you can conveniently ignore those gamers who your system doesn't cover - at last count, between Silver and Gold, 46 million out of 77 million Xbox 360 users are online. So, what you're saying is that there are 31 million GAMERS on your 360 alone who don't want this so-called "future proofed" Xbox One, and that you're completely willing to forfeit this group in favor of the other one.

It must be said, of course, that this is fine. But it also has nothing to do with what gamers want. It's about what Microsoft wants. MICROSOFT wants its userbase to always be tethered to their system, so that they're completely dependent on the company. MICROSOFT wants users to have to go through their proprietary used game system, so that they get a larger cut of the profits. MICROSOFT wants users to have to constantly check if they're online just to play their games, because they don't believe in ownership rights and they believe the cost:benefit ratio benefits them. It has nothing to fucking do with gamers. And the moment they stop pretending it does, the moment this starts seeming less like a farce and more like the wool-over-everyone's-eyes that this fucking abomination is.

So, how is Xbox One future proofed? What specific benefits does it have to me, the gamer, to always be connected to the internet, rather than just connecting to the internet when it is convenient for me? How is removing yet one more layer of control from the hands of your consumers going to be a net positive? Maybe you just feel it's better to dribble your PR nonsense all over the faces of your past fans, so that you feel a little better about yourself when you do what it is you want to do for your damn selves. Put this shit on us, assholes. FUCK off.

"The Xbox One is shaping up to be a paradigm-shifting console. The question is: Is the new paradigm one people want?"

The original Xbox, which launched in 2001, had an Ethernet port well before broadband was widely accessible, he pointed out. Xbox Live, Microsoft's online service, also went live before the internet was as ubiquitous as is today. A few years later, he reminded me, Microsoft added streaming media to the Xbox 360 and the company saw the console's usage spike.

"Now, with Xbox One, we're stretching the canvas again so creators can design for the cloud with every game they make," he said. "In the next decade, every great game will tap the power of the cloud to deliver richer, more immersive worlds. We have a great offline game system in Xbox 360 that gets better when it's connected. We could have made another offline console, but then offline would have been the lowest common denominator design point for developers. We chose to take the progressive path."

Here's more nonsense straight from the bowels of every PR mouthpiece known to Microsoft. "How will this nebulous always-online internet 'positive' affect us? By introducing another nebulous, indefinable feature that will 'benefit us' in ways that are impossible to quantify! Why, with always-online internet, the infinite power of cloud will infinitely improve your game experiences - infinitely!"

If I was this Polygon interviewer, I would have said "fuck off" and hung up the phone at this immediate point.

"But wait, Don Mattrick, what happens if your gamer is currently deciding to play their game offline during the 24-hour grace period? What happens to all the 'Cloud benefit'? What happens if their internet connection is particularly slow or unreliable, which is a wide-scale problem all across much of the world? How do you program anything meaningful with Cloud when so many of these variables inhibit what you can possibly rely on anyway? What the fuck are you even talking about?"

Again, virtually every benefit you have would have had the same benefits if your system would have allowed some people to arbitrarily decide they didn't want to be online all the time outside of the 24-hour dog collar you put on everyone because you think we're all thieves. NOTHING you are saying is true at all. Not even one single fucking word. So why are you saying it, Don Mattrick? Do you think we're all fucking morons? Don't answer that. If there is nothing else we learned this week, it's that Microsoft thinks we're fucking morons.

Being progressive does not mean abandoning huge swaths of your userbase so you can rob us of right after right.

Being progressive does not mean distrusting every single person who uses your system enough to not have to check up on them once every 24 hours.

Being progressive does not mean forcing everyone to take a stand on renting, borrowing, lending and legacy preservation of games.

Being progressive does not mean FUCKING OVER EVERY CONSUMER THAT EVER PURCHASED YOUR CONSOLES.

You're not progressive; you're a fucking asshole.

Yawn. Terrible concept is totally fine, honest.

Microsoft have managed to turn me from someone who's pre-ordered most stuff they've put out for the last five years or so to someone who will not touch their new console.

360 was my favorite console up until Kinect. Yeah.

 

[Wishmaster92]

E3 is going to be fun this year.

 

[NullPointer]

Microsoft had a decision to make, he said; either create a console planted in the present or look to the future and create a device built on the concept that one day the internet will be as available as electricity or telephone service.

This actually fits with historical precedent.

When the use of electricity started to spread throughout the United States, the first thing they did was put ban all candles and lantern oil from houses and villages that had the wiring installed.

Oh wait.... no they didn't. Because that would've been fucking stupid.

 

[Raide]

And that wouldn´t prevent me from playing the games i bought for their platforms until they are turning into dust.

In 10 years people will be moving on anyway, so who knows what the next tech ability it is to play old-ass games.

 

[maquiladora]

"Our specs aren't as good as the PS4 so, um, the cloud."

 

[Thorgal]

E3 is going to be fun this year.

now i am curious .

are we gonna laugh our asses off at their E3 conference OR have they found a way to make this work despite everything ?

 

[Cave Johnson]

I can imagine myself in the future playing the XB1 utilizing it's "cloud" potential. I'm there, taking cover as my adversaries are shouting commands, increasing the intensity, delivering what could be possible in the future of enemy interaction. They're searching for hiding spots and revealing an unbelievable array of dynamic animations you would believe this was the real fucking thing. Finally, one of those enemies took a glimpse at my shadow, calling upon all his party using silent hand gestures. They're closing in on me, and here I am palm-sweating, nerve-racking, fighting my brain to find a way out. Suddenly, a laser beam hits directly on my character, one of those guys finally caught me on their sight.. a hidden sniper finally managing to secure himself on a perch. And there I was, in awe in amazement the power of the CLOUD technology, the myriad of possibilities never before ascertain in the history of games. Truly, I have become a believer........



Then, I see a pop-up that says:

"You have been disconnected from LIVE".

The laser beam goes awry shooting randomly hitting one of the enemies by chance. Suddenly, 3 other enemies disappear into the blue. The others suddenly go ape-shit and start bumping each other running in a weird janky manner by side-stepping and shooting at my position aimlessly. I leave cover aim at their heads and pop them off one-by-one. More enemies pop out the door, I take them out in the same exact manner. Disgusted, I shouted "Xbox off". I now stand there, in misery and in disappointment. With full determination, I pull yanked the system and cast it out to the nearest recycling dump, never to be seen or heard of again.

Yeah, fuck the cloud..

 

[dragonbane]

Bish is sitting back laughing at all of us right now.

An E3 like this only comes once every 8-10 years. He is probably just as excited as we are and has long prepared the ban hammer. It's going to be glorious. 1-2 GAFers have made statements close to ban bets on the POWA OF DA CLOUD TM

 

[RagnarokX]

Onward, to the future!

 

[Atilac]

Until they are no longer needed yes.



Same goes for Sony and Nintendo I guess.

Nintendo and Sony don't mandate online authentication so your point is null and void

 

[maltrain]

Fuck Microsoft. If this is the future of gaming, I don't want it.

I prefer the PSOne and SNES generation instead this "always on" bullshit.

I want to play games ALONE and sometimes online... SOMETIMES.

 

[The Bookerman]

Again: If you got a shitty network connection, you're shit out of luck with the cloud. Man these guys are fuckin clueless.

 

[dragonbane]

now i am curious .

are we gonna laugh our asses off at their E3 conference OR have they found a way to make this work despite everything ?

He is likely referring to all the bans he will hand out over broken fanboy dreams. A moment like this only comes every 8-10 years. He waited long enough.

 

[Raide]

Nintendo and Sony don't mandate online authentication so your point is null and void

Until MS do well with it and Nintendo and Sony follow that route because they cannot be left behind.

Sony have not come out ans said they won't and I am sure they are probably let MS have all the hate be3fore they announce they plans.

Nintendo are Nintendo and they do what they do...apart from make games of course.

 

[Zemm]

I hate they are half assing it. Just go always online and DD only.

I agree with this, either copy steam entirely with great sales, cheaper day 1 games and so on, or stick to what has worked before like the 360 etc, right now they are in between the two and it's really shit.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I am really curious if he is able to speak a sentence without these words.

He must, it would make for some horrible pillow talk otherwise .

 

[ThisWreckage]

I really want Polygon to be banned. It's an infinitely more venomous site than Kotaku ever has been.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Oh, I know. I won't deny one is a thing and one is... Something else.

I'm just one of those people who don't care about tech and buzzwords and want to see games. Obviously there's an audience for these sorts of things, but with the way people were foaming at the mouth for GDDR5 around here, you'd think Chrono Trigger 2 with the original team was announced or something. It was mildly frustrating.

The power of the cloud is much worse though, because this is PR buzzword speak to an extremely negative reaction to their reveal.

We'll see what happens come E3, I suppose.

We're the ones that hyped up "8 GB DDR5!" Sony just said it is what's in the PS4.

 

[Ahasverus]

You don't get it M$, it's a case of fixing what is not broken. NO ONE EVER clamored for this. We were just fine with our video games before you and the internet you know?

 

[dragonbane]

I really want Polygon to be banned. It's an infinitely more venomous site than Kotaku ever has been.

Why? This article describes pretty well the problems with MS "solution" and is negative overall.
And Kotaku has been quite negative on their stuff too.

 

[Perkel]

Please be excited.

Shit is already a mame

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Outside of the PR speak the idea that the Xbox One is "Future proof" tell you all you all you need to know about Microsofts strategy.

Hay asshole :- NOTHING IS FUTURE PROOF!!!! There is no way to predict how viewing habits will be 5/10 years from now because we are at a state of technological growth where the next disruptive piece of technology is only a couple months away from releasing.


What if people start playing games with their google glasses? Start using 3d printers to make their own board games?
Use wearable VR devices powered by smartphones?
Watch tv on their cloud powered coffee table?


How does the xbone help with all this? It doesnt because it CANT!

there is no way to build a device that prepares for anything but its own improved usage over time. No amount of fairy sauce can predict or prepare for the future.

With that bullshit statement you have shown the only power in this cloud is your own fantasies.

 

[Atilac]

Until MS do well with it and Nintendo and Sony follow that route because they cannot be left behind.

Sony have not come out ans said they won't and I am sure they are probably let MS have all the hate be3fore they announce they plans.

Nintendo are Nintendo and they do what they do...apart from make games of course.

Pure Speculation and word has it the exact opposite is happening.

Also, "Be left behind"? You act if self crippling is an attractive proposition. Makes more sense to avoid such measures and reap more sales.

 

[Z3M0G]

"Now, with Xbox One, we're stretching the canvas again so creators can design for the cloud with every game they make," he said. "In the next decade, every great game will tap the power of the cloud to deliver richer, more immersive worlds. We have a great offline game system in Xbox 360 that gets better when it's connected. We could have made another offline console, but then offline would have been the lowest common denominator design point for developers. We chose to take the progressive path."

What does this mean exactly? Some people are reacting like it will affect how a game looks, could this even possibly be true? Or would it simply affect the features of a game, and what online functionality is possible?

What kinds of things can we honestly expect "The Cloud" to provide to improve our gaming experience?

 

[Raide]

Pure Speculation and word has it the exact opposite is happening.

Also, "Be left behind"? You act if self crippling is an attractive proposition. Makes more sense to avoid such measures and reap more sales.

E3 will be very telling. To be honest, I am not on any side but I do like to see interesting uses of new tech.

There does seem to be a crazy amount of negative press for MS but they did create much of it but the majority is from people just venting and causing way more of a ruckus that there really needs to be.

I would personally like MS to go the Steam route but then people would still not be happy because its MS.

 

[dragonbane]

I want a future proof system. So why is it that your system is not future proofed? Why is your system technically inferior to PS4? Why do you keep trying to prop up what your system is capable of with nonsense buzzphrases like "the infinite power of CLOUD"? Why is it that you believe the future only entails people who want to be forever connected to your system with your draconian DRM measures? In what way does any of this nonsense benefit the individual who just wants to get on their console, put in a game and then turn it off?

Aye, this is a classic sleight of hand. If you pretend that the reason you're doing what you're doing is for "gamers", you can conveniently ignore those gamers who your system doesn't cover - at last count, between Silver and Gold, 46 million out of 77 million Xbox 360 users are online. So, what you're saying is that there are 31 million GAMERS on your 360 alone who don't want this so-called "future proofed" Xbox One, and that you're completely willing to forfeit this group in favor of the other one.

It must be said, of course, that this is fine. But it also has nothing to do with what gamers want. It's about what Microsoft wants. MICROSOFT wants its userbase to always be tethered to their system, so that they're completely dependent on the company. MICROSOFT wants users to have to go through their proprietary used game system, so that they get a larger cut of the profits. MICROSOFT wants users to have to constantly check if they're online just to play their games, because they don't believe in ownership rights and they believe the cost:benefit ratio benefits them. It has nothing to fucking do with gamers. And the moment they stop pretending it does, the moment this starts seeming less like a farce and more like the wool-over-everyone's-eyes that this fucking abomination is.

So, how is Xbox One future proofed? What specific benefits does it have to me, the gamer, to always be connected to the internet, rather than just connecting to the internet when it is convenient for me? How is removing yet one more layer of control from the hands of your consumers going to be a net positive? Maybe you just feel it's better to dribble your PR nonsense all over the faces of your past fans, so that you feel a little better about yourself when you do what it is you want to do for your damn selves. Put this shit on us, assholes. FUCK off.



Here's more nonsense straight from the bowels of every PR mouthpiece known to Microsoft. "How will this nebulous always-online internet 'positive' affect us? By introducing another nebulous, indefinable feature that will 'benefit us' in ways that are impossible to quantify! Why, with always-online internet, the infinite power of cloud will infinitely improve your game experiences - infinitely!"

If I was this Polygon interviewer, I would have said "fuck off" and hung up the phone at this immediate point.

"But wait, Don Mattrick, what happens if your gamer is currently deciding to play their game offline during the 24-hour grace period? What happens to all the 'Cloud benefit'? What happens if their internet connection is particularly slow or unreliable, which is a wide-scale problem all across much of the world? How do you program anything meaningful with Cloud when so many of these variables inhibit what you can possibly rely on anyway? What the fuck are you even talking about?"

Again, virtually every benefit you have would have had the same benefits if your system would have allowed some people to arbitrarily decide they didn't want to be online all the time outside of the 24-hour dog collar you put on everyone because you think we're all thieves. NOTHING you are saying is true at all. Not even one single fucking word. So why are you saying it, Don Mattrick? Do you think we're all fucking morons? Don't answer that. If there is nothing else we learned this week, it's that Microsoft thinks we're fucking morons.

Being progressive does not mean abandoning huge swaths of your userbase so you can rob us of right after right.

Being progressive does not mean distrusting every single person who uses your system enough to not have to check up on them once every 24 hours.

Being progressive does not mean forcing everyone to take a stand on renting, borrowing, lending and legacy preservation of games.

Being progressive does not mean FUCKING OVER EVERY CONSUMER THAT EVER PURCHASED YOUR CONSOLES.

You're not progressive; you're a fucking asshole.



360 was my favorite console up until Kinect. Yeah.

Damn straight. That's why I like you even though I will forever disagree with you about certain games

 

[Devilgunman]

Isn't it better for MS to shut up for a moment and clear everything up at E3?

 

[nacimento]

The cloud is so powerful it must be the one God and Jesus sit on.