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XBOHICA: Don Mattrick Defends Xbox One's Online Requirements
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Jondoyle123
Neo Member
i can tolerate no used titles , but the online requirement really is a no-go for me ...
im a huge game collector and the thought one day my collection will be useless sickens me.
of course this is not a current issue for most but for me its a constant pain
im a huge game collector and the thought one day my collection will be useless sickens me.
of course this is not a current issue for most but for me its a constant pain
SniperHunter
Banned
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Randolph Freelander
Member
In Xbox One, games play you.
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
has to check in online every 24 hours or disables your games
Microsoft. I'm fully prepared to give you a chance, and I know things are a bit confused right now, but you do realize that I'm simply not buying your console if you do this, right?
It doesn't matter how well this could work most of the time, if it doesn't work all of the time. And seriously, not everyone has internet at all.
I really, really, really hope that you're just covering your ass and defending the fact that this idea was on the table at all, but you need to understand, this is complete bullshit. A Steambox could get away with this, but not a console that's been offline-friendly since its first incarnation. That's the whole reason a lot of people get consoles.
I'm not going to spin wildly out of control on this, but seriously. Don't. Fucking. Implement. This.
It doesn't matter how well this could work most of the time, if it doesn't work all of the time. And seriously, not everyone has internet at all.
I really, really, really hope that you're just covering your ass and defending the fact that this idea was on the table at all, but you need to understand, this is complete bullshit. A Steambox could get away with this, but not a console that's been offline-friendly since its first incarnation. That's the whole reason a lot of people get consoles.
I'm not going to spin wildly out of control on this, but seriously. Don't. Fucking. Implement. This.
That's not what Don is talking about in the op. Magic of the cloud can only work with an online connection.
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
the cloud is essentially there excuse for the online only requirement
Sadly we don't. Microsoft decides when to shut off their own servers. If I want to play Crackdown 3 in 20 years time when either MS is out of the console industry, there are no more consoles or the Xbox 5/whatever is out, and the servers are shut down, what do I do?
They may not, they may do. This isn't a possibility with the current consoles as they do not require an online connection to work. Therefore we know for certain they will keep working (at least single player components) for as long as the hardware lasts. We don't know this for certain with the next Xbox and that is in no way a good thing.
NullPointer
Member
And if a particular annual installment of a game doesn't make them the money they expect they could terminate support to push people towards the latest game.
Basically, the customer has no say in this and has no idea when or if support servers will go down.
I'd guess most of us here have differing ideas on what makes up a reasonable time frame for support.
Vicetrailia
Member
Man lol, everything that MS will say will be wrong. They can't win from this position unless its flat out changed. Not sure what they're gonna do, they shouldn't have dug their own hole like this.
As soon as you tell me i "have" to do something, i'm out the door. My ps3 has an Ethernet cable always plugged in, since i use it a lot to stream HD stuff. BUT, i can choose to unplug it anytime and can still play any game without being online.
I can't believe they can be that stupid as to have that ridiculous requirement. This and no used games: i'm not buying this system.
I can't believe they can be that stupid as to have that ridiculous requirement. This and no used games: i'm not buying this system.
Diablohead
Member
Yep look at xbla, since there is no BC and they will not work on the xbone, they are now just in a que to die at some point in the next few years.
Yes, but that's new. As of now we knew about the 24h check in, but MS hasn't been this concrede yet about the cloud thing and how they want developers to create games with the cloud in mind. That would mean always on requirement for games, not only 24h check ins.
Ediit: 24h online check =/= always online
no, he clearly says in "the next decade", they will enhance the gameplay with cloud... so prepare!
NullPointer
Member
Yep, this article was just the tip.
You jumped into the Xbox 360. Now, the Xbone will jump into you.
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
i think its all glamorising on there part to be perfectly honest , but would be amazing to see if it can actually improve games.
but more to the issue it is a feature that further enforces online only
Oppo
Member
Well, it's already been said more eloquently... But yes, the choice Mr. Mattrick paints as "progressive" is a false one; none of these things he talks about mandate or require a platform-level net connection policy such as that which appears to be the case with the Xbox one. Not from a consumer perspective.
One of the reasons Microsoft is spouting Cloud dreams is to make Xbox Live Gold seem like a fantastic deal or how it'll greatly benefit consumers.
"Get Gold now for infinite possibilities"
"Experience all the content games have to offer with the Cloud and Xbox Live Gold"
"Join the cloud and play games like you never have before"
"Infinite possibilities, infinite power"
Would not be shocked at all if Microsoft continually pitches it's Cloud stuff as something it isn't, for years on end.
"Get Gold now for infinite possibilities"
"Experience all the content games have to offer with the Cloud and Xbox Live Gold"
"Join the cloud and play games like you never have before"
"Infinite possibilities, infinite power"
Would not be shocked at all if Microsoft continually pitches it's Cloud stuff as something it isn't, for years on end.
von Stroheim
Member
I wonder if ol' Don believes his own bullshit? Of course, after this fiasco is over he can go back to selling cars or real estate. No need to tell the truth there either....
Jokes and Riddles
Neo Member
So graphics whores are to blame for this new direction in gaming?
UberTag
Member
Your Xbone will be a brick if you're not paying Microsoft a monthly fee.
Whereas now your X360 will work just fine and you can make the decision as a consumer on whether or not you want to pass on frivolous online modes or not.
what is silly to me is that they talk the talk that they wont be able to back up... so in few months, when they dont deliver on these promises, what will happen? Backslash will be bigger than with SimCity.
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
Haunted
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Syphon Filter
Member
Yup. As SimCity recently demonstrated. And Diablo III before that.
The cloud can offer some benefits, but the way MS and publishers are using it now is for control, plain and simple. MS should print a EULA on every game box, as they are now selling you a service, not a game. You have access to your games as long as they (or the publisher) decide to give you access. What you are buying at the store is a license/service agreement, and an install disk, not a product that you own. That's their idea of the infinite power of the cloud.
Especially when its only for sites that put out articles that aren't completely shitting all over Microsoft.
scytherage
Member
The cloud is the dumbest concept ever conceived. It's just a buzzword to fool stockholders to invest in something. They all think passing CPU processes to web servers will magically cure cancer, when the truth is, the infrastructure right now for most people can't really support a good experience, and I doubt that will change in 10 years unless some crazy fantastic Star-Trek tech is invented so everyone gets cheap, light speed fast internet.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
the future proof line really annoyed me
BobTheFork
Member
The solution will be to release a tiny cube server as an add-on for offline users.
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
as awful as it sounds if they release a offline only adapter for the xbox one i would probably sell out
SenjutsuSage
Banned
See, I don't get nonsense like this. There was absolutely nothing about this article that suggested them making themselves a PR mouthpiece for Microsoft. If you actually read the article instead of attempting to fall in line with the crowd, you'd actually know what was said.
There is plenty of criticism and doubt brought up in this very article about Microsoft's plans, certainly more than enough to not be considered an attempt to cover up for and defend Microsoft. But because in the process of expressing what seemed to be strong skepticism of their own about Microsoft's plans, they actually allow an official response from Microsoft, suddenly that makes them a PR mouthpiece that should be banned from this site? Maybe it's people who say such things without actually reading the contents of the article that should start worrying about being banned.
Everdred
Member
Well if you compare Xbone and PS4, that argument doesn't really hold up. PlayStation has a bit more power and the software itself can always be updated to adapt to the market. The 360 is an example of this. It grew as it needed to over time. It's up to Sony to make it happen. All this is telling me is that we're going to force you to like what we think is the future.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Xbox One: Future-proof (until the Don cuts the servers).
This reminds me of the HDtv discussion when when the PS3/360 launched. Those consoles were designed for gamers having HDtv, and I remember how people were talking about the lack of HDtv penetration to homes (it wasn't a big deal eventually as that market caught up). MS is making bet now on having a constant connection to the net. The difference is that it appears that the connection is required, whereas SDtvs were supported by PS3/360 (although it sucked).
Syphon Filter
Member
yea it's not the anti consumer bs that they are putting on the system.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Future proof yet it's weaker than its competitor.
I don't get this "Sony is not the rival anymore". They would very quickly pay attention if a lot of their user base switched to PS4. They want software sales too.
I don't get this "Sony is not the rival anymore". They would very quickly pay attention if a lot of their user base switched to PS4. They want software sales too.
It's the new "15 year plan instead of 10 year plan!" So we will see this generation last een longer if this is what Ms means of future proofing...
digoutyoursoul
Member
The whole thing has been disappointing in my opinion, not only the reveal itself (was aware games saved for e3) but the demeanour of MS reps/PR afterwards. I am pessimistic by nature but I didn't think they would piss in their own fish tank this much.
I'm guessing always online is required and the cloud processing BS is just a nice excuse for it.
"We don't have always online DRM. We have infiniiiiiite clooouuuuuuud pooowwweeeeeeeeeeer."