CaptNfantasy
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Both of those gifs look bad. One looks like a bad generic version of Zelda, and the other is just generic all around.
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The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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Consumers will buy what they want and can afford. It's not just about price. Look at how the PS2 got massive sales wile the the $100 Gamecube languished on store shelves. Look at how Apple is making huge profits even though Android tablets and phones are a fraction of the price.
If a $399 PS4 looks to offer more features consumers want a $199 price tag couldn't save Nintendo.
GillianSeed79
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I'll say probably worse, but only slightly. When all is said and done it will be the cheapest of this coming gen's consoles and Nintedo first-party software will still sell systems, just not anything near Wii's sales. Unless the PS4 and the Durango are both $600, I see the the WiiU being nothing more than the GCN of this generation. Great games, but hardware sales nowhere near approaching Sony or Microsoft. The fact that they are selling the WiiU at a loss also means that they probably won't get away with what they got away with with the GCN, i.e. selling less hardware than the competition but still making a profit on each system sold. I also won't be surprised if Iwata steps down or resigns if they really get their teeth kicked in this gen.
Sony's announcement that you'll be able stream PS4 games to the Vita off TV effectively matches the WiiU's key feature/selling point. Then again, I don't see a majority of the potential PS4 user base suddenly buying Vitas just because of that feature. Sure, it's cool, but it will also be expensive. It still steals some of the WiiU's thunder a bit though.
Sony's announcement that you'll be able stream PS4 games to the Vita off TV effectively matches the WiiU's key feature/selling point. Then again, I don't see a majority of the potential PS4 user base suddenly buying Vitas just because of that feature. Sure, it's cool, but it will also be expensive. It still steals some of the WiiU's thunder a bit though.
Everything that plays games are in direct competition.
If by itself you mean superior consoles with superior technology that will make Wii U performance and graphics dated in two years times, then of course.
Beermeister
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i think the problem here is that in the zelda demo you can make out 100% of it, while in the capcom one 90% of the screen is blackened/bloomed out and you can only make out the dragon. i think they're very equal demos, and i prefer the zelda one much more due to the art.
Reggie said Black Ops 2 looks vastly superior on Wii U. He has no problem lying to your face.
I agree. The giant spider has like, 8 limbs being rendered with the Dragon has just 4 and some stubby wings. Also, everything is more uniformly lit, as if there is more light in the room...so there is more lighting. Link looks like he's been hand modeled with care, while the knight or what have you looks like a lazy scan of an actor in armor.
The PS3 footage looked fantastic in that game, but it is still a tech demo. Same with Wii U Zelda, but it has attractive art design, and typically playing a wonderfully realized universe that looks great is better then more realistic graphics in a dull looking world. That Spider in Zelda looks like a thinking breathing game enemy. The Capcom demo looked like a mindless giant, graphically impressive, but really offputting.
As for my assumptions which you criticize, there is not a lot for us to go on so I am just assuming based on past generations. Wii U is not performing well right now despite having a Mario sequal that sold several millions of copies on the last system, and on their handhelds as a launch game. Plus they got the two biggest 3rd party franchises of the holidays with AC3 and Call of Duty. Plus fantastic games such as Mass Effect 3, which if you have been Nintendo exclusive through the last generation, that would be a game you should check out. So how would any third party be confident in a Wii U investment currently?
I keep seeing people say "There are no games." You got Mass Effect 3, AC3, Call of Duty, Zombie U, and Darksiders 2 at launch. If I was simply a Nintendo fan and had not experienced those games in the past, that would seem super compelling to me.
well nintendo does/will care...i'm pretty sure that they will come with cool new usage forms for the controller...
and i don't think that apps for tablets or phones will be the same like a touch-controller which is connected to the console/the game...it's something different holding a tablet-controller in your hands than holding a dualshock + phone/tablet...the tablet-controller is much more user-friendly
It's like a greatest hits of comedy one post after the other.
Exterminieren
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I'd have to guess it'll look largely similar to the X360 and PS3 versions, which are going to sell far and away the most copies anyway.
Duxxy3
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From a porting perspective they are much worse off now. PS4 or 720 will be the next gen lead platform, it doesn't really matter which. Wii U is shit out of luck because it's the only one using non x86 architecture.
But that's only from a porting perspective.
If nintendo is able to show the Wii U as a more family friendly console that's easier on the wallet, they will continue to hold a part of the market. A $350 price tag is not a good start, it needs to be below $250 before the PS4 and 720 are out.
Skyward Sword on Wii was perhaps the worst decision in the past 5 years. There was no reason to release it on a dead machine.
But that's only from a porting perspective.
If nintendo is able to show the Wii U as a more family friendly console that's easier on the wallet, they will continue to hold a part of the market. A $350 price tag is not a good start, it needs to be below $250 before the PS4 and 720 are out.
Skyward Sword on Wii was perhaps the worst decision in the past 5 years. There was no reason to release it on a dead machine.
CaptNfantasy
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Lolz.
srsly though, if that Dragon footage is in game, then I'm impressed.
But it's not 
I mean, if he can't possibly explain why Wii U will likely never have anything comparable to this:
Then he's right.
I mean, if he can't possibly explain if Wii U will ever have anything comparable to this:
Comparable graphics wise? No. But I don't think Nintendo have ever implied they would compete graphically.
Comparable gameplay wise? God I hope not. That was the dullest looking playthrough in the history of my eyeballs.
CaptNfantasy
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Who the fuck ever said that wii u will get ports from ps4 or xbox 720? Its no reason to fling that shit around when even nintendo is aware of this. Makes no sense to even bring it up. The console will live and breath off of nintendo offerings and third party exclusive support. Period.I mean, if he can't possibly explain why Wii U will likely never have anything comparable to this:
Then he's right.
That gif makes no sense. Its like the X gif but with no substance.
I mean, if he can't possibly explain why Wii U will likely never have anything comparable to this:
Then he's right.
i don't see anything on this that would be impossible on the Wii U. can't load all of those textures to RAM or something? i don't believe it.
i don't think there are many nintendo fans who are simply just nintendo fans
MoogleWizard
Member
The same basically, it needs Nintendo first-party games and it will be fine.
It looked like a generic shooter with the same old boring gameplay and it looked very scripted. Yes, the graphics look great, but it was very boring. Same shit, new coat.
Graphics have never been Nintendo's focus, not even when they had better visuals than Sony on the GC/N64.
I mean, if he can't possibly explain why Wii U will likely never have anything comparable to this:
Then he's right.
It looked like a generic shooter with the same old boring gameplay and it looked very scripted. Yes, the graphics look great, but it was very boring. Same shit, new coat.
Graphics have never been Nintendo's focus, not even when they had better visuals than Sony on the GC/N64.
I mean, if he can't possibly explain why Wii U will likely never have anything comparable to this:
Then he's right.
I saw that as a BS tech demo myself. The player took control for maybe a minute of that entire demo, and those were the dullest parts.
I actually thought it looked really cool with all the colors and shiny, and then I saw Killzone gameplay and was reminded how offputting the series is. Not to mention the part I liked, the color, was destroyed during the demo.
Buckethead
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Nintendo should have flooded the market with great WiiU content at launch, making it a must buy.
The dirth in content from Sony/Microsoft would've allowed them to establish a strong base/reputation and build from there.
Now they are, at best, swimming upstream with two bears on the prowl.
The dirth in content from Sony/Microsoft would've allowed them to establish a strong base/reputation and build from there.
Now they are, at best, swimming upstream with two bears on the prowl.
This.
To me, it all depends on PS4 pricing. With all that GDDR5 and a new PS Eye in every SKU(?) I think Wii U will be fine.
Of course still getting PS4 in few years.
Personally, I can't wait for Mario Galaxy 3.
Allan Holdsworth
Member
Same probably. Depending on price PS4/720 adoption could be slow, just like this gen. Biggest issue for Wii U is 360/PS3 undercutting it in price.
Jokes and Riddles
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Despite the longest track record of success in gaming and the massive war chest accumulated last generation, general sentiment is Nintendo is doomed.
The wiiu is no exception to this sentiment. Ps4 is no Nintendo killer. Nintendo controls their own fate and undoing.
And at the rate Sony is going however, if PS4 isnt a homerun, it could turn out to being a Playstation killer.
The wiiu is no exception to this sentiment. Ps4 is no Nintendo killer. Nintendo controls their own fate and undoing.
And at the rate Sony is going however, if PS4 isnt a homerun, it could turn out to being a Playstation killer.
CaptNfantasy
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I dont really see where the real creative genius is in that gif anyways. To imagine what you see in it, all youd need is to take some actual video footage of a helicopter flying above a city, then rebuild something similar but add some futuristic looking modifications to some of the buildings. Other than the brute hours and manpower to finish it, it is completely without creative genius. These people should be well beyond this level of creative talent since they are obviously college graduates and somewhat high up in their field. I find what is in that gif to be fairly bland and even predictable. Im not being shown anything i havent seen before, or anything my imagination couldnt come up with ten times more vividly on its own. Basically its nothing. I keep hearing about how impressive next gen is going to be but how come no one ever cares about better games, or better music, or better creative brilliance? All you hear about are better graphics and it seems like by better graphics everyone just means more polygons and some slightly more sophisticated lighting. Where are the better character designs? Better stories? Better more original worlds? Technology and RAM you can buy, i guess creative genius you cant.
Rhazer Fusion
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Heh, worst. They are struggling now before the unveiling of next generation systems. I don't see how things got better once Sony unveiled the PS4. I know they got their first party games, but they are also competing with current generation systems with comparable graphics, cheaper price point entry sooner or later and way more games. I really don't know now.
MrMephistoX
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Nintendo's not going to be number one again but I don't think Sony or MS are going to drive them out of business. There are still things about Skyward Sword that impress me art and animation wise that I didn't see from the HD twins so imagine what they can pull off on Wii U. It's all about scalability for this gen if Wii U continues to get ports games will basically continue to look like PC titles running on mid range settings.
Yeah no doubt better games are going to increase sales. But compared to the Wii, or even 360 and PS3, how many million consoles do you see being sold this generation?
I mean the Wii did it in a very interesting way. They had a killer game in Wii Sports, and a new control scheme that reached out to people who were not previously interested in games. Then they had Wii Fit, which again was a huge hit that reached out to new consumers. Then they had Mario Kart with the wheel which expanded the brand, and all along the way they had classic Nintendo franchises filling in the blanks.
I do not see how that scenario plays out this go around. I think we may be looking at 40 millions in Wii U sales which should make them a lot of money, but unless they have the next atkins diet in videogame form, they just look like a company resting on their laurels. Not to mention the best games we have seen from them in the past couple of years are handheld games, and while the 3DS is a success it is nothing compared to the crazy numbers of the DS. They are in a bad way.
Zelda is only a must have for a small niche of gamers. It's not a big seller these days.
Mario Kart, Smash Bros and 3D Mario are much bigger titles for Nintendo. There's plenty they could do with those titles to attract core gamers in regards to graphics, online play , DLC and track/map/character editors and the like...
...of course there's a high chance they'll just do the minimum by upping the resolution and little else.
Spot on!
This is the gaming industry's dilemma IMO.
A war of materials and technology instead of creative struggle for the better. Any industry not looking to disrupt itself in order to innovate at the core is going to ultimately fail. And as a gamer, I believe these should be the facts to worry about, not the amount of RAM and clock speed.
I am still waiting for the next level, albeit the arrival of next gen.
Edit: and I'd include Nintendo into this equation as well, although they at least tried...
The same as before, really. Sony brought the expected technical dominance, but they didn't bring a strong stable of games to sway prospective Wii-U owners to their side.
It's ultimately Nintendo's responsibility, and to do that they need to keep a steady stream of well-publicized games coming down the pipe. A price drop prior to the PS4's launch could also be in the cards.
It's ultimately Nintendo's responsibility, and to do that they need to keep a steady stream of well-publicized games coming down the pipe. A price drop prior to the PS4's launch could also be in the cards.
LightofRohan
Member
So fucking what? Zelda is the same shit every time as well. It's Killzone, it's a shooter. What do you want? You can't define the console by one game. You use it as a graphical metric... You guys are unnerving.
Hehehe, console wars have begun!! Dammit. I hate these. Haha
Relax. Holy shit.
It's one fucking game, get over yourself. You must be a real charmer to hang around... It's a meeting revealing a new console, not a "KILLZONE IS THE ONLY GAME THIS PLATFORM CAN DO". The Wii was awful last generation, quit holding onto their, "Nintendo is the greatest GAMEPLAY MASTERS! They dont care about graphics!". Yea they also don't care about making great GAMEPLAY GAMES either...
I should take my own advice and relax as well... haha. CONSOLE WARS GODDAMIT! I hate it. But I'm also excited they are back... last/this generation was getting so boring...
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I mean, if he can't possibly explain why Wii U will likely never have anything comparable to this:
Then he's right.
I actually think this could be real time. It seems like no one in this thread has played KZ2 or KZ3 on the PS3 before on a good HDTV. Both games look phenomenal even to this day. You are underestimating Guerilla Games capabilities and talent. They worked wonders with the PS3, so with all of that power, you never know.
casablanca
Member
When you see what SONY is preparing with the interface,auto-upgrade, OS , share etc ...
The WIIU seems rushed as hell.
The WIIU seems rushed as hell.
Chû Totoro
Member
Nintendo still have the same issues so the Wii U is not in a better shape but clearly the PS4 is "just" the next Playstation so no need to panic here for Nintendo. Let Microsoft and Sony fight and focus on better marketing, better third party support, better innovations, better price... Nintendo exclusives will do the rest
I'm don't really care if Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft sells zillions of their systems. All I want is to have a good experience with my Wii U (and maybe PS4) so at least enough sales so they can keep trying to offer something different and keep making both good new IPs (Wondeful 101) and good sequels (next Zelda and next 3D Mario please) but there is no real obstacle to do so.
Go Nintendo! You don't really know how to make systems who make people dream (since the GC and not counting portable) but you know how to make good games !
I'm don't really care if Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft sells zillions of their systems. All I want is to have a good experience with my Wii U (and maybe PS4) so at least enough sales so they can keep trying to offer something different and keep making both good new IPs (Wondeful 101) and good sequels (next Zelda and next 3D Mario please) but there is no real obstacle to do so.
Go Nintendo! You don't really know how to make systems who make people dream (since the GC and not counting portable) but you know how to make good games !
Wii was a huge sucess but the system was controversial, games sold it