No they have not. They did not present some radical controller change. Yes it is mixed because it looked very tech demoish much like the launch of PS3, but the power behind the system was revealed. And they will get every major third party game that is not moneyhatted by MS. People will buy Diablo 3, they will buy Mass Effect, they will buy Madden, they will buy millions of copies of COD on this system. Nintendo cannot claim that. Sony has just about every major third party supporting the system. And then they have the first party stuff on top of that. Nintendo has first party, and much like the original Wii some experimental support from Ubisoft and Platinum. The only thing I can see that Nintendo could do to change their fate is a true Pokémon RPG for the Wii U. That plus maybe a completely unexpected new IP and maybe they can get into the race.
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The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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No they have not. They did not present some radical controller change. Yes it is mixed because it looked very tech demoish much like the launch of PS3, but the power behind the system was revealed. And they will get every major third party game that is not moneyhatted by MS. People will buy Diablo 3, they will buy Mass Effect, they will buy Madden, they will buy millions of copies of COD on this system. Nintendo cannot claim that. Sony has just about every major third party supporting the system. And then they have the first party stuff on top of that. Nintendo has first party, and much like the original Wii some experimental support from Ubisoft and Platinum. The only thing I can see that Nintendo could do to change their fate is a true Pokémon RPG for the Wii U. That plus maybe a completely unexpected new IP and maybe they can get into the race.
Its like "PS3 and Vita can, what WiiU does", again. Gotta believe announcements.
if you've been reading WiiU threads its the one feature many gaffers base their game purchases, "does it have off screen play?"
And i mean this announcement takes that novelty away from the Wii U.
its not dead and definitely not anymore, a new lease of life!
How well does the Vita work as a controller though? Even with Gaikai I'd expect it to have far higher latency then the Wii U. Plus from what I understand the Vita ergonomics are far worse then those of the WiiU gamepad.
You don't find this mind boggling.
Seriously. Find me anything on WiiU that comes anywhere close to this.
wilder.Boy
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This. Thank you!
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Well, I would certainly NOT want to play PS4 games on a buttonless smartphone/tablet.
The same or worse, naturally.
I don't believe many people that became legitimately more interested in the Wii U today, even if they thought the PS4 unveil was disappointing. Theres probably not many that became less interested even if they thought the PS4 unveil was super-exciting, though its more plausible than the former.
I don't believe many people that became legitimately more interested in the Wii U today, even if they thought the PS4 unveil was disappointing. Theres probably not many that became less interested even if they thought the PS4 unveil was super-exciting, though its more plausible than the former.
cyberheater
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Thank you.
The Zelda demo doesn't come close to matching the visual quality and effects on the PS4 demo. It's a generational leap.
The Zelda demo doesn't come close to matching the visual quality and effects on the PS4 demo. It's a generational leap.
In what I assume will be a laggy uncomfortable experience that has to be played within range of high speed interent, probably with an extra fee too
XANDER CAGE
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Not even remotely close.
That's not even a dig at that Zelda demo, it looks really good. But they're barely comparable.
Come now. That Zelda demo is gorgeous, and I want to play it NOW. But it looks nothing like Capcom's tech demo. Not even remotely close.
And I'm sorry to quote myself, but it was the last post of the page and I do want to hear some people's opinions of this.
BadAss2961
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Although it was expected, Wii U still looks in worse shape now that the PS4 has showed its hand. Especially after we know that the console isn't even selling.
For people that aren't hooked on Nintendo exclusives, what reason is there to buy it? Are they really going to stay a generation behind forever? Seriously, who else would get away with that?
For people that aren't hooked on Nintendo exclusives, what reason is there to buy it? Are they really going to stay a generation behind forever? Seriously, who else would get away with that?
TUROK
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Maybe, but even if they didn't, to the average Joe or Jane, if they're told that the graphics are worlds better, then they'll believe it. I mean, I still see plenty of people who think that all PS3 games output in 1080p.
There was plenty of OS and network based innovation on offer, certainly beyond anything currently available (or even suggested) for the Wii U. That is in concert with it being a significant bump in specs. I agree that we didn't see anything mindblowing on the games front from a gameplay perspective, but then I think back to the Wii U unveiling and I struggle to recall anything other than a few underwhelming tech demos and a nice looking Zelda clip. Two years on, I'm yet to see a game that truly makes the argument for the Wii U and its gamepad (I hope it's coming though, as I own one).
The PS3 offered a supreme level of sofware variety, satisfying with both innovative products and more traditional, high production value products. We've only seen 2 hours of PS4 so far, couple this with Sony's track record of generating great content and I wouldn't be so quick to write off their efforts.
Noisepurge
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But you see the stream tech is irrelevant of the content. None of the developers have to implement anything, its all built in to the OS. Or so they presented it, heck, all can still change as the system is a year off from release
Not really, but maybe it's just me.
My gut reaction was that it is a pre rendered concept reel and not actual productive game code/assets.
The Zelda demo shown about a year ago is full of promise as well, but I'll start to actually believe it when I play it
I would have loved to be blown away by gameplay footage, but the ones that were there just didn't scream "game changing new era" at me.
Then again: subjective impressions.
Edit: for comparison's sake: X, Zelda. Aren't they close? Maybe I just don't have the eye...
I'm pleased that the consoles seem to be going in different directions.
Wii U will have Nintendo first-party games, which is always enough for me, along with Miiverse and Gamepad play. PS4 has immense power for those exclusives and multiplatform releases, along with utterly brilliant social features that differ from Miiverse. While I don't know anything about Durango, it sounds like Microsoft is going for that "entertainment across all media" route, which I'm not interested in at all.
So really, I think the Wii U is in the same position. For me, my purchase of the console doesn't depend on what Sony or Microsoft release - it depends on Nintendo's software library and support.
Wii U will have Nintendo first-party games, which is always enough for me, along with Miiverse and Gamepad play. PS4 has immense power for those exclusives and multiplatform releases, along with utterly brilliant social features that differ from Miiverse. While I don't know anything about Durango, it sounds like Microsoft is going for that "entertainment across all media" route, which I'm not interested in at all.
So really, I think the Wii U is in the same position. For me, my purchase of the console doesn't depend on what Sony or Microsoft release - it depends on Nintendo's software library and support.
Crimsonlink
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I highly doubt that the end result of Zelda HD will look close to the demo you see in that gif.
Not saying that the PS4 doesn't look better. It'd be foolish to say so because it does, but it's not MASSIVELY better. The leap isn't as big as a generational leap typically has been.
The Wii U games will still look good. Not up to that, of course not, but to say it looks like trash is just completely wrong.
Plus, I am a bit cynical. We have been burned by gameplay and demos from Sony prior to releases before
i would say that it looks a little better for the wiiu now... sony would have destroyed the wiiu/nintendo with bringing a touch-pad-controller but they didn't...
the ps4 is a ps3 with way better graphics...but there was nothing really "new" about the console (i probably will never use the share button and i don't care for move)...as of today the wiiu is probably a last gen-console again but nobody will buy a nintendo console for the graphics nowadays...it's about the new game-experience and i can see wonderful games and ideas coming for the tablet-controller...
that's why i think that the wiiu will live very well beside the ps4 because much like the wii and ps3 they have different audiences...nintendo just has to lower the price and take the wii off the market...
the ps4 is a ps3 with way better graphics...but there was nothing really "new" about the console (i probably will never use the share button and i don't care for move)...as of today the wiiu is probably a last gen-console again but nobody will buy a nintendo console for the graphics nowadays...it's about the new game-experience and i can see wonderful games and ideas coming for the tablet-controller...
that's why i think that the wiiu will live very well beside the ps4 because much like the wii and ps3 they have different audiences...nintendo just has to lower the price and take the wii off the market...
BertramCooper
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It's in the exact same position.
Once Nintendo starts releasing their AAA titles, the console will stabilize, just like the 3DS. It's not going to reach Wii-like levels of success, but neither is any other next-generation console. It's going to be a painful generation for all industry stakeholders. We're in the midst of a seismic shift and all of the major players are struggling to adjust.
In all likelihood, the PS4 launch will be every bit as tepid as the Wii U launch, if not more so.
Once Nintendo starts releasing their AAA titles, the console will stabilize, just like the 3DS. It's not going to reach Wii-like levels of success, but neither is any other next-generation console. It's going to be a painful generation for all industry stakeholders. We're in the midst of a seismic shift and all of the major players are struggling to adjust.
In all likelihood, the PS4 launch will be every bit as tepid as the Wii U launch, if not more so.
You don't find this mind boggling.
Seriously. Find me anything on WiiU that comes anywhere close to this.
That Zelda footage is much more impressive. That being the case, it is not an actual game yet so we shall see.
polyh3dron
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You honestly didn't see that coming? Did you think PS4 was just going to be a PS3 with a different number?
LightofRohan
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Yea, I can see WiiUs4... what. Being a good combo this generation compared to the Wii60 obnoxious combo last generation.
I Read that twice. What?
polyh3dron
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Really?
cosmicblizzard
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About the same as before.
I personally don't believe the average consumer will see much difference in terms of graphics, at least for the first batch of games. They barely even saw a difference between Wii and PS360, and that was during a transitional generation from SD to HD. This gen doesn't have anything like that, unless 4K seriously catches on, which I doubt it will until the middle of the gen at the earliest.
I personally don't believe the average consumer will see much difference in terms of graphics, at least for the first batch of games. They barely even saw a difference between Wii and PS360, and that was during a transitional generation from SD to HD. This gen doesn't have anything like that, unless 4K seriously catches on, which I doubt it will until the middle of the gen at the earliest.
cyberheater
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You're looking at something that's basically movie CGI quality you aren't impressed. I really don't know what to say about that.
Yeah... me too.. I think it will look better! Judging by all the Zelda tech demos and the games that came afterwards on the respective system.
But you see the stream tech is irrelevant of the content. None of the developers have to implement anything, its all built in to the OS. Or so they presented it, heck, all can still change as the system is a year off from release
The ability to compress video and send it to another device over standard wireless or internet is really not terribly interesting.
It's laggy, it's artifact-ridden, and it doesn't give devs a way to customize the experience by doing things like adjusting font sizes or making other quality-of-life changes to account for the smaller screen.
Basically it's the difference between using your whole ass and using just half.
This is a generational leap behind the GIF rebutted. Not even remotely comparable.
cyberheater
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Please explain how?
Well, considering the Wii U's problem at the moment is a lack of games, and there were no Wii U games announced at PS4 conference, I can't say it's in a better position.
But it did make me think that it's got a shot at surviving if Nintendo can fix their own mistakes and rebuild confidence in the Wii U over the next 12 months. There's nothing I can see in the PS4 that is game changing. It has a of cool features but I don't know how they'll actually be a huge draw in the marketplace.
It's all about the games. If Nintendo can build up a solid library by the end of the year and throw in a price cut they should be okay.
Really, the best thing that can happen for Nintendo is for the PS4 and 720 to launch. At the moment the Wii is going up against two active consoles with 70+ million user bases and it's almost impossible for it to make some noise in the market. Put it up against two new consoles with no userbase selling for $399+ and it looks like a better prospect.
In terms of graphics, just from what I've seen it holds up okay. Obviously PS4 is more advanced, but nothing like the Wii to 360/PS3 gap. What remains to be seen is if the gap is so large that it's impossible to down port. That's the important thing.
But it did make me think that it's got a shot at surviving if Nintendo can fix their own mistakes and rebuild confidence in the Wii U over the next 12 months. There's nothing I can see in the PS4 that is game changing. It has a of cool features but I don't know how they'll actually be a huge draw in the marketplace.
It's all about the games. If Nintendo can build up a solid library by the end of the year and throw in a price cut they should be okay.
Really, the best thing that can happen for Nintendo is for the PS4 and 720 to launch. At the moment the Wii is going up against two active consoles with 70+ million user bases and it's almost impossible for it to make some noise in the market. Put it up against two new consoles with no userbase selling for $399+ and it looks like a better prospect.
In terms of graphics, just from what I've seen it holds up okay. Obviously PS4 is more advanced, but nothing like the Wii to 360/PS3 gap. What remains to be seen is if the gap is so large that it's impossible to down port. That's the important thing.
I love Zelda as much as the next person, but how you can honestly say that is beyond me.
90TilInfinity
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I don't think of the Wii U any differently after yesterday. I'm still eventually going to pick one up because it'll have plenty of games I want to play and can't play anywhere else.
I'm curious as to how you reached this conclusion given that one of the games showcased is explicitly getting a Wii U version.
The Wii U's issue is that publishers don't think that their games will sell on it, not that it's utterly impossible to make downports that can run on it.
i don't like all of these assumptions you're making, they're always wrong prior to console release. i'm talking incredibly short-term here, like up until the Holiday of '13.
Agreed. The Zelda footage doesn't have that stupid fucking cut-off. The sparks coming off his shield are accurate. I don't even know where that Dragon slobber is supposed to be going. The lighting is also done far better in the Zelda demo - none of that excess in the Dragon demo which I guess convinces people that it's "next gen". Yea, that's a gorgeous Dragon model. Stunning. But the entire thing is sloppy.
But nobody really cares that much about the touchpad controller. And considering that both MS and Sony are going to probably have Apps, for Windows Phones and tablets, Android and IOS that will replicate that one advantage makes it a mute point. And those devices will be much more capable and most people already own them.
cosmicblizzard
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The Zelda footage has a better art style at least.
That being said, I do think the Capcom game looks good, but not "generational leap" good, or at least not a very large one. Diminishing returns and all that.
That being said, I do think the Capcom game looks good, but not "generational leap" good, or at least not a very large one. Diminishing returns and all that.
Freezie KO
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This worked for the Wii, but not here.
PS4's leap in graphics isn't that great, and the Wii U has shown absolutely zero gameplay innovations to put it above anyone. Nintendo released a dual analog controller with a screen and yet another NSMB game.
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It's not a down port.
When you've got games that are written around using PS4 hardware with 8 CPU cores and 8 gigs of super fast memory. No one is going to spend the time trying to squeeze that game into a WiiU. It's not going to happen.
Lady Deathstrike
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Wii U Fit
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BAM! 150 million copies sold, combined. Both Sony and Microsoft are left asking "what just happened?"
Wii U Kegals
Wii U Calisthenics
BAM! 150 million copies sold, combined. Both Sony and Microsoft are left asking "what just happened?"
theviolenthero
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This press conference had little effect on Nintendo as a first party company. They'll announce/reveal the big guns at E3 and sales of the hardware will pick up.
Nintendo isn't doomed!
The real loser though was multi-plat 3rd party games (90+% of the games that'll be released on the system) & us Wii U owners. It seems that instead of getting "down ports" of PS4/720 games, we'll be getting PS3/360 ports that don't fully utilize the Wii U's power.
All signs point to this being yet another Nintendo system where the overwhelming majority of game sales & hype is for 1st party games only.
Like someone else on this site said, "The Wii U is the Wii of the next gen systems".
Nintendo isn't doomed!
The real loser though was multi-plat 3rd party games (90+% of the games that'll be released on the system) & us Wii U owners. It seems that instead of getting "down ports" of PS4/720 games, we'll be getting PS3/360 ports that don't fully utilize the Wii U's power.
All signs point to this being yet another Nintendo system where the overwhelming majority of game sales & hype is for 1st party games only.
Like someone else on this site said, "The Wii U is the Wii of the next gen systems".
lol
GoddyofAus
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Watch Dogs was a win for Wii U, but you have to wonder how ugly it will look and run compared to its fellows on the other systems. It may turn out embarrassing.
Yikes.
No, I will be impressed like a little school kid as soon as I can load it up at home and play it as seen in the demo.
I'm just skeptical. We are currently in the build-up-hype-with-extreme-marketing phase. Do we know on which specs the demo was run? Do we know if it's actual gameplay or pre-rendered designs on a local dev environment (read:not actual console dev-kit).
Don't get me wrong: I want to believe but have been screwed over before
I'd argue better. Unless Sony can keep the console affordable. But I doubt they can. I didn't see mass casual appeal in PS4 either. Most of the features are really shooter/racer fan centered. Nintendo lost that market with Wii already and the Wii did pretty damn good. Nintendo is mainly in a struggle with itself at this point.
LOL