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DARK SOULS II Announced - [PC/PS3/360 - PR in OP]

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Hindle

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They should follow Fireaxis lead and have an optional tuitoral that spans a few hours, guide the new players through everything etc, whilst the vets could just turn it off.
 

Orayn

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They should follow Fireaxis lead and have an optional tuitoral that spans a few hours, guide the new players through everything etc, whilst the vets could just turn it off.

Sounds good to me. They could even make it out of "remixed" areas from the first game, with different enemy placement and most of the optional routes blocked off. Maybe Firelink Shrine though the Undead Church, with no dragon on the bridge and the portcullis left open.
 

Raide

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They should follow Fireaxis lead and have an optional tuitoral that spans a few hours, guide the new players through everything etc, whilst the vets could just turn it off.

Why guide them through everything? They get held by the hand through all encounters, spoon-fed all the plot and come away thinking "What was all the fuss about? Game is damn easy and I finished it in 9 hours."

10 min tutorial of the basics in combat, what stats do and let them play with some early encounters. Then throw them to the wolves. If they are not ready after that, then they won't be ready for Dark Souls.

If you strip out encounters, or make them easier to beat then the sense of accomplishment for finally triumphing over an infernal beast is lost. Give them guidance and fair warning as to what they are getting themselves into but don't give them a water down experience.

Imo.
 

Midou

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If you strip out encounters, or make them easier to beat then the sense of accomplishment for finally triumphing over an infernal beast is lost. Give them guidance and fair warning as to what they are getting themselves into but don't give them a water down experience.

Imo.

I think hes just saying to have a custom area, something like just right out of Dark Souls 1, and let a player run through a few areas, fight a couple of bosses, with extra guidance, timing help for parrying/backstabs and whatnot. You could even lay some weapons around so players can try out different weapons and see the benefits of them. It would speed someone up on the franchise who has not touched it, and limit 'easier' play to this special tutorial area, instead of touching the main game.
 

Raide

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I think hes just saying to have a custom area, something like just right out of Dark Souls 1, and let a player run through a few areas, fight a couple of bosses, with extra guidance, timing help for parrying/backstabs and whatnot. You could even lay some weapons around so players can try out different weapons and see the benefits of them. It would speed someone up on the franchise who has not touched it, and limit 'easier' play to this special tutorial area, instead of touching the main game.

I see. I am just wondering how much work they would have to do to scale a player from noobie to being able to handle Dark Souls proper. It would be a little like making a mini version of the game and then trying to work in a difficulty curve that ends with players starting the game for real. Could be great if they can pull it off. What they should do is something like Dragon's Dogma and give new players the chance to summon guides to help them out. Seasoned players than are actually helpful and not utter back-stabbing jerks. :D
 

tassletine

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Yes, I suspect most people asking for an easy mode didn't play it enough to see why it doesn't make sense. You'd have to have each type of players only playing with people on that difficulty.

The best idea is still better mechanics explanations/tutorials, to ease people into it.

No. I think they should be on the same server. The easy mode players should just get massacred every time they bump into someone from the normal game ;)

I would kill for a WiiU version of souls, with real time weapon switching. I don't think it would change the game too much. It might even make it harder.
 

Midou

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No. I think they should be on the same server. The easy mode players should just get massacred every time they bump into someone from the normal game ;)

I would kill for a WiiU version of souls, with real time weapon switching. I don't think it would change the game too much. It might even make it harder.

Would be great to see it on all platforms, it's certainly a series as many people as possible need to play. Inventory/Equip screen on bottom screen could certainly add in some.. unique twists. :p
 

Orayn

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I see. I am just wondering how much work they would have to do to scale a player from noobie to being able to handle Dark Souls proper. It would be a little like making a mini version of the game and then trying to work in a difficulty curve that ends with players starting the game for real. Could be great if they can pull it off. What they should do is something like Dragon's Dogma and give new players the chance to summon guides to help them out. Seasoned players than are actually helpful and not utter back-stabbing jerks. :D

This is kind of what I was thinking of.

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Raide

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This is kind of what I was thinking of.

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If they can manage that and get new players feeling like "I am ready for this, even if I know I will die loads" then they are doing well. Trying to figure out how long it should be to give them enough of a taste that will help them ride the fun into their first one-shot encounter. :D
 
It's not much of one though. Many, many things are not explained from the simple messages that essentially just go over controls. So many stats on weapons, shields, armors, that are just never clearly explained. Like what stability does on a shield and how it's so great.

It's a "Why and How" tutorial for a "Why and How" game.
 

zkylon

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A shame, they seemed nigh untouchable a decade ago. At worst it was just that their style wasn't for you typically.
Many people were noticing the trend back in the KOTOR days but embed if simplified and consolized, their games still had for the most part solid writing and interesting ideas. Then DA2 happened, ME2 was fine but all their ambition rolled out the window, and then we got trolled with ME3 overhearing quests, multiplayer and WTF endings.

I feel the best thing for Bioware would be to maybe not release a game this year, and just regain their thoughts. Kinda like Bethesda does, I'm not a fan of what they do but at least they manage to do it well, Bioware just feels lost.
 

Eusis

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Many people were noticing the trend back in the KOTOR days but embed if simplified and consolized, their games still had for the most part solid writing and interesting ideas. Then DA2 happened, ME2 was fine but all their ambition rolled out the window, and then we got trolled with ME3 overhearing quests, multiplayer and WTF endings.

I feel the best thing for Bioware would be to maybe not release a game this year, and just regain their thoughts. Kinda like Bethesda does, I'm not a fan of what they do but at least they manage to do it well, Bioware just feels lost.
Well, with KotOR I think it goes back to that middle ground between accessibility and staying hardcore, and while some of KotOR's steps probably weren't strictly necessary it nevertheless did give people who played mainly on consoles (myself included) a taste of what they brought to PC. Dragon Age 2 seems to me like taking that too far. I REALLY hate the notion that RPGs that don't have pure action combat systems are "too archaic", it's actually made me more positive about JRPGs again since, FF aside (maybe) they tend to not be dumb about that, even if they may go to the other extreme of being too resistant to change at times.
 

SJRB

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I would love a Let's Play youtube session narrated by Kanye.


Who knows, guy might be speedrunning through Dark Souls every night for all we know.
 

Strife91

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Kanye West at VGA 2013

*Elder Scrolls VI wins game of the year.*

"Todd Howard, I'ma let you finish, but From Software has one of the best video games of all time."
 
The amount of people I know who went to the graveyard first is staggering. While I did eventually find out crestfallen tells you where to go, it would be nice to not have access to such a hard area off the bat in a game you know is supposed to be hard. I know people who restarted, people who quit, just because they ended up going there.

I know I did my first time, but then I tried every other way until I found the right way. The first enemies are a giant joke compared to the damn skeletons, but it's hard to know that was the wrong way. Especially since a lot of games have skeletons as the first basic enemy.

No way man, sticking something right at the beginning that can instantly murder you is the From way. Just like the giant L40 something kraken just chilling right there at the beginning of King's Field.
 

RyanDG

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I will say this... If there has to be an extended Tutorial in Dark Souls 2, it has to end with being punched in the face by a giant fucking Dragon and dying.
 
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