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Dragon's Dogma 2 Releases on Steam with $40 worth of microtransactions .Currently with 'Mostly Negative' Reviews on Steam

fart town usa

Gold Member
It's beyond deplorable. I'm not surprised but it is really frustrating to go through this OVER and OVER. And then we ask why this happens?

Some common examples (sorry if I missed a few as I was going through them quick):
The MTX stuff is whatever, same with the New Game aspect. If you don't want the MTX, don't buy them. The game is designed to make the player deal with their actions/decisions. Crying over OCD save scumming is a personal issue. Learn to deal.

Performance issues are a bummer and will hopefully be fixed. Anything else is just gamers being butt hurt. 🤷
 

Shodai

Member
Reviewers were informed, they were given a list of microtransactions and the cost. They weren't live for the reviews, but they were given a list. If you didn't see or hear about it, complain to the reviewer you watched/read
Completely sincere - Can you link me one article or video that states this?
 
Some common examples (sorry if I missed a few as I was going through them quick):
...you're responding to someone saying fast travel and character editing is behind a paywall, but quoting examples that explain this isn't true at all?

Taking not reading to a whole new level there.
 
Then why not disclose MTX before people pre-ordered? Or tell reviewers so we can make informed decisions.

As for "other games had this practice" - Am I supposed to be an encyclopedia of MTX history. Or be required perform laborious research on any purchase I make to determine what % chance another game will have these types of practices?
You act all sorts of surprised that Capcom is going this route with MTX? Have you not played any of their recent titles? Did you play the original Dragons Dogma?
 
Completely sincere - Can you link me one article or video that states this?
I hate pushsquare but I assumed you'd want proof and I knew they had talked about this very thing

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whyman

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Not revealing horrible mtx practices before launch is a sin. Last Capcom game ever bought. I’ve stood by it with EA in the past. Not getting another dollar.
 
The MTX stuff is whatever, same with the New Game aspect. If you don't want the MTX, don't buy them. The game is designed to make the player deal with their actions/decisions. Crying over OCD save scumming is a personal issue. Learn to deal.

Performance issues are a bummer and will hopefully be fixed. Anything else is just gamers being butt hurt. 🤷

And here is another example. Saying "whatever" to microtransactions is exactly the reason it keeps happening. Glad it doesn't bother you, enjoy the game.

And why cannot performance issues be fixed before launch? When it launches, it's just a "bummer."
 

Raven117

Member
And you think the poor reviews have nothing to do with not letting players start a new game properly, and making character editing & fast travel hard enough to then sell it back to the player in a full-priced single-player game ?

Sure sure, sTeAm BrOs jUsT dUnKiNg. All hail Capcom.
Well, yeah, some of that is pretty bad
 

Kacho

Member
It's beyond deplorable. I'm not surprised but it is really frustrating to go through this OVER and OVER. And then we ask why this happens? This company keeps getting worse and worse in my eyes...

Some common examples (sorry if I missed a few as I was going through them quick):
I understand you're rising up, but I was simply stating that this is nothing new with Itsuno games. We went through the same "outrage" with DMC 4 & 5 and literally no one cares about it or talks about it now. It's just not a major issue in the grand scheme. If they were nerfing exp gain and selling an exp boost, then yeah, I'd be rising up too.
 

fart town usa

Gold Member
And here is another example. Saying "whatever" to microtransactions is exactly the reason it keeps happening. Glad it doesn't bother you, enjoy the game.

And why cannot performance issues be fixed before launch? When it launches, it's just a "bummer."
I don't know why they couldn't be fixed, I'm not a game developer and I don't work for Capcom.

Who the F is getting worked up over MTX in 2024? 🤣. Just don't buy them. It's a single player game. It's not a pay to win scheme, it's just Capcom taking advantage of people who want to cheese the game for themselves and lack self-control. I think it's brilliant and an easy way to fund development of other games. 👌

Performance issues should be fixed, the other stuff is a nothing burger.
 
I understand you're rising up, but I was simply stating that this is nothing new with Itsuno games. We went through the same "outrage" with DMC 4 & 5 and literally no one cares about it or talks about it now. It's just not a major issue in the grand scheme. If they were nerfing exp gain and selling an exp boost, then yeah, I'd be rising up too.

I understand what you're saying but it's just the practice that bothers me.
 

Shodai

Member
I hate pushsquare but I assumed you'd want proof and I knew they had talked about this very thing

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Thank you - So this suggests reviewers are not disclosing, perhaps out of fear of future blacklisting/financial interest.

Very bothersome.
 

Shodai

Member
I don't know why they couldn't be fixed, I'm not a game developer and I don't work for Capcom.

Who the F is getting worked up over MTX in 2024? 🤣. Just don't buy them. It's a single player game. It's not a pay to win scheme, it's just Capcom taking advantage of people who want to cheese the game for themselves and lack self-control. I think it's brilliant and an easy way to fund development of other games. 👌

Performance issues should be fixed, the other stuff is a nothing burger.
The slow creep of normalization is a huge problem. Today it's a non-issue for your situation, in the future...Maybe it will be. By then, since you turned a blind eye, you will regret not calling out these practices.
 

fart town usa

Gold Member
The slow creep of normalization is a huge problem. Today it's a non-issue for your situation, in the future...Maybe it will be. By then, since you turned a blind eye, you will regret not calling out these practices.
I hear what you're saying but it's not going away. It is normalized and it's not from people like me because most games I play don't have MTX and I've never bought any when they are available. I can understand wanting to vocalize your dislike but it's not going to change anything. Capcom has been doing this stuff for well over a decade and as far as I know, it's not necessarily pay to win because it's always in single player games. It's just an easy way to earn revenue off suckers. It's kind of scummy but it's negligible in the grand scheme of MTX stuff.

If Capcom goes all in, I'll just stop playing their modern games. Capcom was trash during the 360 gen, if they go trash again I'll just play their old games that don't suck.
 
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Thank you - So this suggests reviewers are not disclosing, perhaps out of fear of future blacklisting/financial interest.

Very bothersome.
So it's the reviewers who should be getting the pushback not the game

If you've played DD1, you'll know that traversing IS the game

You get Rift crystals from everywhere, killing things, opening chests, other people hiring your pawn (or the game "hires" it on offline mode), quest rewards. to hire pawns at your level or just above it costs no, or tiny amounts. If you want to hire someone 50 lvls higher it will cost loads. You should never run out of Rift crystals

You get wakestones from shards that you get dotted around or for in game Gold

Portcrystals (fast travel points) on there own do nothing. You have to travel manually to somewhere, place it down, then it adds a fast travel spot to your map at that location. You are allowed only a handful of these. You get Portcrystals in the game by finding them in secret areas and dealing with optional bosses. They are an OPTIONAL REWARD. There were 3 constant Portcrystals in dd1 at arious main areas. The extras just expand your travelling abilities

To use fast travel you need ferrystones, they are also easily obtainable everywhere in game

To edit your character or pawn you can optionally buy Art of metamorphosis at a vendor available relatively early in the game for Rift crystals, the things you will always have tonnes of

You don't need any of these if you intend on playing the game the way capcom wants you too. If you want to skip content, then you can, and you want to skip getting the items that help you skip content, you have the option to buy these things

It's that simple. In fact fast travel is easier than dd1 with the ox carts available in dd2

Now the multiple save game options I have issues with, everything else is fake outrage. DD1 veterans would know about all this and not care at all
 
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No, they are always extremely limited even if you pay since you can only place 10 at a time; go ahead and buy 30 of them if you want, you'll have the same amount in-game as someone who didn't pay 🤷

The point is they are asking you to pay for fast travel. Do you actually support that?
 
Thanks for the heads up. I bought the ultra big ass edition of the first game for like $9 on sale, I’ll wait for similar here 👍

Balatro saving 2024 from a sea of meh
 

NT80

Member
The microtransactions, perhaps. But being able to start a new game seems pretty necessary, especially in a game where there are a bunch of different classes to try.
You change your class freely at some point in the game I believe and switch between them as you want. That's how it was in the 1st game and I think here too.
 

Schmendrick

Member
I don`t get the outrage here.
The game design, including the very sparse fasttravel items is a 1 to 1 continuation of the first game, so it`s not like they paywalled anything here or made things worse on purpose or created problems just to sell you the solution.
Microtransactions that purely offer options for shortcuts and cosmetics in a PvE game....not really worth any drama.

If you want to cry about something then do so about the miserable optimization that everyone has no option but to live with in a full priced game.
 
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Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
You change your class freely at some point in the game I believe and switch between them as you want. That's how it was in the 1st game and I think here too.

Its supposedly more fluid in the new version because progress in one class is smartly translated across to any other class. Example given was if the original class is a warrior with a stat emphasis on STR. Switching to mage will switch STR to INT so as its attack power is scaled equally.
 

Fbh

Member
Reason 5788 to not buy games at launch.
Pay $70 for a horribly optimized game full of microtransactions.
Or wait 6-12 months, buy it 40-50% off and in a much better state after multiple updates.

Gamers are never happy. Starfield has fast travel options coming out of each hole, people complain. DD2 has limited fast travel, with the option to buy more fast travel, people complain.

Or...both ends of the spectrum can be bad. Just because someone didn't like the over reliance on fast travel in Starfield doesn't mean they need to love the very limited fast travel in DD2.
If I cook something and people tell me it's too salty, next time I'll just use less salt. I'm not going to cook with no salt and then be like "well last time you said it was too salty so now that I used no salt you HAVE to like it!"

Elden Ring, TotK, Hogwarts Legacy, Baldur's Gate 3, etc all had fast travel and (almost) no one complained.
 

Orbital2060

Member
Poor habit from some developers now. LAD Infinite Wealth launched with 18 separate DLC items, one of them needed to play ng+.
 

Miyazaki’s Slave

Gold Member
Folks are going to be outraged based on their echo chamber. Most of the negative reviews are just "tell me how you know nothing about the Dragons Dogma series without telling me you know nothing about the Dragons Dogma series".

For me one of the coolest parts of this game (and the first "two") are the enemy fights you get into traveling to a quest location then the constant sense of dread trying to get back to turn the quest in. You get out of a cave, its fucking dark and all you have is a shitty lamp, and you can see the shadows of wargs/wolves dancing around your party just outside of the lights reach. That's some fun shit!

Capcom provides MTX like these for many of their games (DMC V anyone?!?!?!). They are time savers if you do not want to obtain them in the game...so you either can buy them or you can find them, its up to the player but at least its an option.

This next part is just my opinion...the save game stuff has never been an issue for me. I personally do not give two shits about character customization. I usually just slam the "randomize" button until I land on something I like and then play the game. I can see where people get pissed if they constantly want to change their look, but you can also do this in DD2 if you pay the vendor....by completing quests and collecting $.
 
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Faust

Perpetually Tired
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Folks are going to be outraged based on their echo chamber. Most of the negative reviews are just "tell me how you know nothing about the Dragons Dogma series without telling me you know nothing about the Dragons Dogma series".

For me one of the coolest parts of this game (and the first "two") are the enemy fights you get into traveling to a quest location then the constant sense of dread trying to get back to turn the quest in. You get out of a cave, its fucking dark and all you have is a shitty lamp, and you can see the shadows of wargs/wolves dancing around your party just outside of the lights reach. That's some fun shit!

Capcom provides MTX like these for many of their games (DMC V anyone?!?!?!). They are time savers if you do not want to obtain them in the game...so you either can buy them or you can find them, its up to the player but at least its an option.

This next part is just my opinion...the save game stuff has never been an issue for me. I personally do not give two shits about character customization. I usually just slam the "randomize" button until I land on something I like and then play the game. I can see where people get pissed if they constantly want to change their look, but you can also do this in DD2 if you pay the vendor....by completing quests and collecting $.
The character customization thing isn’t even an issue. Who needs to constantly change how their character looks? Iirc this wasn’t an issue in monster hunter, most mmorpgs, souls games, etc.
 

Shodai

Member
Folks are going to be outraged based on their echo chamber. Most of the negative reviews are just "tell me how you know nothing about the Dragons Dogma series without telling me you know nothing about the Dragons Dogma series".

For me one of the coolest parts of this game (and the first "two") are the enemy fights you get into traveling to a quest location then the constant sense of dread trying to get back to turn the quest in. You get out of a cave, its fucking dark and all you have is a shitty lamp, and you can see the shadows of wargs/wolves dancing around your party just outside of the lights reach. That's some fun shit!

Capcom provides MTX like these for many of their games (DMC V anyone?!?!?!). They are time savers if you do not want to obtain them in the game...so you either can buy them or you can find them, its up to the player but at least its an option.

This next part is just my opinion...the save game stuff has never been an issue for me. I personally do not give two shits about character customization. I usually just slam the "randomize" button until I land on something I like and then play the game. I can see where people get pissed if they constantly want to change their look, but you can also do this in DD2 if you pay the vendor....by completing quests and collecting $.
While I disagree with these MTX practices, I respect that you are willing to state your opinion mostly without degrading others. I'm not sure echo chamber is the right connotation for some, but I see where you are going with it.
 
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Kacho

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The character customization thing isn’t even an issue. Who needs to constantly change how their character looks? Iirc this wasn’t an issue in monster hunter, most mmorpgs, souls games, etc.
I think it's one of those things where once people hear that they can't do it, they get upset by the arbitrary limitation.

Honestly, I can't remember if there was an option to change your look in the first game. I never did it at least. I know there was a barbershop in the main city.
 

Boneless

Member
I don`t get the outrage here.
The game design, including the very sparse fasttravel items is a 1 to 1 continuation of the first game, so it`s not like they paywalled anything here or made things worse on purpose or created problems just to sell you the solution.
Microtransactions that purely offer options for shortcuts and cosmetics in a PvE game....not really worth any drama.

If you want to cry about something then do so about the miserable optimization that everyone has no option but to live with in a full priced game.

All that time spent on thinking about and developing microtransactions could've been put towards optimising the game. :)
 

Solidus_T

Member
The original had these same microtransactions. Eventually you find enough of these items that you won't need to buy them. Hopefully Dragon's Dogma 2 is similar/
 

Zimmy68

Member
I wonder how the game will deal with people that use WeMod or Cheat Engine.
I know Elden Ring would spank you and not let you play online if you went overboard but this game seems to be online only?
 

ANDS

King of Gaslighting
Gamers are never happy. Starfield has fast travel options coming out of each hole, people complain. DD2 has limited fast travel, with the option to buy more fast travel, people complain.

My god. SF's fast travel issue had nothing to do with it literally being in the game.

They are time savers if you do not want to obtain them in the game...so you either can buy them or you can find them, its up to the player but at least its an option.

Now put this in ANY other game that has released recently and see the response. D4 had "time saves" on the free battlepass and that STILL got people complaining at its very existence.

. . .the (wildly predictable) inconsistency of gamers never ceases to amaze.
 

Mephisto40

Member
From what I understand and was reading almost all of these paid dlcs can be obtained in game as well.
In the previous game, you got about 6 of the ferrystones (Fast travel stones) through your entire playthough, and they weren't purchasable with currency in game, you got them as quest rewards from what I remember, so you could only get a limited amount of them in a play through

This is why the people saying "you don't need to buy them" are pretty off tbh, you do need to buy them if you exhaust the limited number you can get in the game, if you don't want to be walking the entire length of the map during every quest. A lot of the quest locations were spread miles apart from each other in the first game as well, not sure if this is the case in DD2, but it was clearly done on purpose in the first game to encourage people to pay for the stones
 
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As someone who has shat on this game since the 30fps reveal, welcome brothers.
You and me both brother. I got spit on and kicked hard when I brought up my concerns in a different thread, now it has all come to fruition. The writing was all over the wall with this one with the “uncapped” 30 fps for me though. If you can’t hit at least a locked 30 fps in 2024, you should not be releasing your game. But to charge for fast travel is a whole nother level of scummy.
 

Boneless

Member
Yea, totally same team, the guys deep in graphic engine coding and the guys making a store for items

You got it

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Already explained one post below you, but you seem like the type of person that could use additional explanation. For a company this is simply cost and FTE distribution. If you need to hire less people for monetization, you can spend more for FTE in the backend.
 
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