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aliadiere25
Member
Blame that on Microsoft for not giving a damn about Spider-Man when they had it. Sony gave proper funding and support, which is why we're actually getting Spider-Man games now.
MarkMe2525
Member
They didn't need Sony to sign this deal to publish CoD on Playstation. It was nothing more than a good faith agreement.
lastmessiah
Member
Oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
No, they were not legally obligated to negotiate an extension.
This was Bobby’s fallback plan as reported by the media
aliadiere25
Member
Or they had to do it otherwise Microsoft would face perjury charges.
RyanEvans21
Member
Same as Starfield or Future Fallout & Elders Scroll (Single Player).
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
What’s to say there was any better offer in the table? I’m willing to bet there wasn’t
TheDreadLord
Member
They will get back to them by buying even more COD
TrueGrime
Member
The judge was biased as well as how many other regulatory bodies that approved the deal despite monopoly concerns?
How can the whole world keep getting away with it?
Fabieter
Member
Still can't play ninja gaiden black on anything but xbox. That's like 20 years old. Xbox is the least eligible to cry about third party deals.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Most of which are sequels and up to this point have mostly been cross-gen efforts. Might also drop in number as time goes on, per year.
That is partially undermining their console efforts particularly with marquee games potentially coming 1-2 years after console release at cheaper price, more options, higher resolutions and framerates, KB&M support, and free online.
Let's not forget, potential marketing bullet points to push the PS5 versions turning out to be false, too (like with Rift Apart)
Not necessarily sure how that benefits gamers
The main ones of note being Insomniac, Housemarque, Bluepoint, and Bungie. All of which besides Bungie being pre-ABK acquisition. Their gaming studio purchases post-2022 outside of Bungie have been small mobile-centric teams or studios with no known IP.
We're still waiting to see what most any of them are up to that isn't a GaaS/live-service MP-heavy title
Most of which are either "just" marketing deals, or timed 3P exclusivity deals with indie AA or Square-Enix Final Fantasy titles. Feels like a noticeable step back from the PS4 generation in that respect.
Potentially at the detriment of areas they are traditionally involved in.
Whose next game will still be multiplatform Day 1 and, depending on what autonomy Bungie have, could even end up Day 1 in Game Pass (at this rate, feels like).
No he hasn't, IMO. He could have been taking the effort spent on blocking this deal, to instead attempt a couple of 3P publisher acquisitions of their own to lock down those partnerships, make investments in other 3P partners and buy shares in a few big AAA and AA 3P publishers over the span of these past 18 months. It seems like potentially nothing in terms of key 3P investments or share purchases has happened, let alone publisher acquisitions.
I certainly hope so. We'll be able to read the room for certain within the span of the next few weeks/months for sure.
Personally is of little interest to me, but turning to Amazon & Netflix for cloud expansion strategy vs. Microsoft was one of the few notable good moves Sony've made in this ABK circus.
Saints Row 1, as well.
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cireza
Member
Ask Koei Tecmo to port it to whatever console you have. This has nothing to do with Xbox, and KT made Sigma for a reason. And it was multiplat.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
You genuinely don't think Sony had better bargaining chips at the end of March after the CMA block (plus the FTC suing to block in December prior), than they do today with whatever they signed with Microsoft?
Again, they wouldn't have gotten a 10-year deal back in March, because they wouldn't be making a deal with Microsoft. It'd of been with ABK. And Sony could have locked Game Pass Day 1 possibility out of the picture with a renegotiated deal compared to what they have ended up with in effect now.
Fabieter
Member
So its the same way ff vii remake was exclusive for one year and it was sqaure enix decision to not port it over. So all the fake concerns about sqaure enix about exclusivity is actually bullshit. Do you agree?
Kt did sigma but that makes itstill defacto exclusive. Black is the only version worth a playthrough.
Zane Zaminski
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SEGA_2012
Member
To all Playstation fans worried about the future, your biggest enemy is Jim Ryan, not MS. Even if MS buys the whole industry, Nintendo is here to prove that you can keep your hardware alive with first party games. The biggest problem is the direction that Jim Ryan is taking Playstation. Instead of focusing in great single player games, he is focusing in shitty GaaS games.
Not saying MS is the good guy, just saying that the enemy is within the company.
Not saying MS is the good guy, just saying that the enemy is within the company.
X-Wing
Member
CoD is too much of an established franchise to be replaced. So people who think that Sony can just make an alternative are misguided.
I do think that Sony's bet on GaaS is an attempt to mitigate eventual revenue drop once the inevitable happens and Microsoft tries to pull the rug from under their feet.
I do think that Sony's bet on GaaS is an attempt to mitigate eventual revenue drop once the inevitable happens and Microsoft tries to pull the rug from under their feet.
cireza
Member
Wow, you were serious about that
DoA and Ninja Gaiden being Xbox exclusive 20 years ago is only the result of Itagaki taking these decisions. The series started releasing on PS when he left.
If you like Ninja Gaiden Black that much buy an Xbox.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Jim Ryan sucks big time compared to shawn Layden and Jacky before him
MarkMe2525
Member
MS publishing the game, and signing a 10 year deal with Sony is not mutually exclusive. The judge also found that Phil's promise under oath could not be enforced as Phil cannot speak for the entirety of the MS corporation. It was rulled that his statements were not binding and irrelevant to the decision.
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They obviously can survive without it. It would just be painful.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Do we know if the 10 years starts from this year or from when Sony's current deal with Activision expires next year?
IE does this deal end in 2034 or 2035?
IE does this deal end in 2034 or 2035?
aliadiere25
Member
And Phil Spencer is an honest and trustworthy person.
You’re ignoring my point. You think Indiana jones should also be on PlayStation while ignoring the fact Spider-Man is exclusive to Sony. That’s called hypocrisy.
Look at what I was talking about with the other poster instead of spinning.
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Zok310
Banned
It would have to invest into inhouse shooter projects. Investing in 3rd party shooter games runs the risk of having them merger later with a competitor.
Read the entire conversation, not a single post.Same as Starfield or Future Fallout & Elders Scroll (Single Player).
SEGA_2012
Member
I don't like Phil too, he is a snake. I said in this post:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/has-...hare-with-the-faithful.1658433/post-268142273
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
If it were that easy, why is Microsoft trying to buy up content for games that are mainly non single player titles? Why are they going after titles with giant MP and F2P focus?
Also Sony's own marquee single-player 1P games are nowhere near as cheap to make as Nintendo's are. They don't have the nostalgia factor Nintendo does, either (and a lot of that is Sony's fault for not retaining legacy IP as well as they could've).
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Sounds like the deal got worse from what they were originally offered. Sony overplayed their hand badly.
Badlucktroll
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
lastmessiah
Member
Where do you think the money comes from dude?
ComputerBlue
Member
If you’re a casual gamer who only plays COD, which apparently is a large portion of the call of duty market, you’d end up paying more with game pass than you would outright buying the game.
Fabieter
Member
So you ignored the ff part I figured as much. Sf5, spiderman and exclusive ff games are all fake concerns for the narratives of "double standards"Wow, you were serious about that
DoA and Ninja Gaiden being Xbox exclusive 20 years ago is only the result of Itagaki taking these decisions. The series started releasing on PS when he left.
If you like Ninja Gaiden Black that much buy an XboxNinja nn
If you like spiderman or ff buy a playstation and don't blame sony.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
This is how Phil Spencer explained the details of the agreement to Jim Ryan...
X-Wing
Member
He gambled. If his plan would have worked the merger would have been blocked which would be the best outcome for everyone. Shame it failed though.
Topher
Gold Member
Not necessarily a better deal previously though.
Initial deal for current franchises through 2027 vs current deal for COD through 2033.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Fabieter
Member
That's 3 years of cod compared to 10.
cireza
Member
I don't like Spiderman. And Spiderman is first party. You were the one crying about an Xbox exclusive game, but MS probably don't have anything to do about it being exclusive to begin with.
Don't be so embittered because Sony brought the current situation upon them
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X-Wing
Member
Same here.
Hosam6xavi
Banned
Topher
Gold Member
Sony hasn't had a problem making money from their games. Gaas games are a bigger gamble for Sony than sticking to what they know.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
10 years of CoD + 3 years of all other Activision games, no ?
Zok310
Banned
They would have only got cod upto 2027, now they have cod up to 2033, thats better for them. All acti release is cod every year, all other abk games is literally damn nearly ever ten years.
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lastmessiah
Member
Then why do they need CoD?
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