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[Dorohedoro]

This is definitely a PS4 game at heart than a true "from the ground up" PS5 game like the marketing bullshit is saying. Which makes it all the more strange why there is no actual PS4 version in the first place. This would run on a fat PS4 no problem just at a lower framerate, without all the DualSense crap obviously and of course the physcal version would ship with 2 discs like TLoU2. It'd have all of the other bells and whistles like the accessibility options, etc. Also $10 cheaper.

Ah yes, the disastrous TLOU2 which is currently the most awarded videogame in history.

Or are we talking about sales? Let's remember TLOU2 sold 10 milloin copies twice as fast as critically acclaimed multiplatform game RE2. Looks like TLOU2 will beat even RE8 in sales by the time RE8 is 2 years old.

Not to sound like fanboy defending ND but it's just hilarious what kind of nonsense people spout about TLOU2.

That game broke people, as well as controllers it seems.

People literally quit streaming. Some threw their controllers.

 

[Woggleman]

I hate to be about gender here because I am male but I feel that a lot of female streamers had a much better appreciation for TLOU2. Some male streamers acted like Neil was personally trying to insult them.

 

[Markio128]

I didn’t ask for it, or really want it, but I’ll be buying it because no doubt it will provide many hours of enjoyment, which is really all we ask for as gamers, isn’t it? I’d rather be playing this than the ‘mountain’ of first party games MS is releasing this year.

 

[Sosokrates]

I'm starting to think that the popularity of the I.P. It is doing a lot of damage, especially after what happened with the sequel and the fault lies with Sony itself, for squeezing even what it shouldn't.

In my opinion, Ellie is also being ruined with the forced inclusions, and more inappropriate issues.

Really is a justification why we should pay 70 dollars for this game, for the graphics nothing else?

And to me, the versions that PS3 and PS4 had seem better, they made the characters charismatic and they still look good.

I was a big fan of TLOU1 both the PS3 version and the remaster.
I just think this is a bad decision from sony.
A remake of this calibre has a rather limited market of newcomers.

I actually think if sony charged like £10 for this version of a remake and made ot cross gen they would make similar money because more people would get it.

If you're going to make it PS5 only, show why besides QoL improvements.
I want to see current gen geometry,particles and effects on current gen games not just fps+res boosts.

 

[Sosokrates]

I didn’t ask for it, or really want it, but I’ll be buying it because no doubt it will provide many hours of enjoyment, which is really all we ask for as gamers, isn’t it? I’d rather be playing this than the ‘mountain’ of first party games MS is releasing this year.

Gamers also want the medium pushed foward and new consoles to be utilized besides res,fps and QoL improvements.

 

[SeriousCrayon]

Damage control?

Ya they took the time to create this video as damage control from a bunch of Yahoo's complaining on video game forums...give me a break.

 

[SSfox]

I was a big fan of TLOU1 both the PS3 version and the remaster.
I just think this is a bad decision from sony.
A remake of this calibre has a rather limited market of newcomers.

Agree with the first two lines, but unfortunately i feel like it's gonna sell. The same reason shitty Ubi EA and Acti games sells, because people buy stuffs with popular names.

Don't cry when Sony see this game sell more than Returnal. And then decide to go full safe mode with a bunch of useless remakes more than brand new fresh games and IPs.

 

[proandrad]

This is Joel:





This is some old grandpa cosplaying as Joel:

Guess someone has never heard of character growth and development.

 

[lovetalkgames]

I'm starting to think that the popularity of the I.P. It is doing a lot of damage, especially after what happened with the sequel and the fault lies with Sony itself, for squeezing even what it shouldn't.

In my opinion, Ellie is also being ruined with the forced inclusions, and more inappropriate issues.

Really is a justification why we should pay 70 dollars for this game, for the graphics nothing else?

And to me, the versions that PS3 and PS4 had seem better, they made the characters charismatic and they still look good.

I’m genuinely wondering how the argument of graphics not being enough to justify the cost works when people spend thousands of dollars on PC rigs to achieve a graphical boost.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

I’m genuinely wondering how the argument of graphics not being enough to justify the cost works when people spend thousands of dollars on PC rigs to achieve a graphical boost.

You would really pay to play the same title (which even looks good on ps3).

What is exactly the same game, but with current graphics, without another addition or unpublished scene or any other addition, and pay 70 dollars, when it was 15 dollars on PS4?

This is a real Remake







These are remakes worth $70, not The Last of Us scam.

Also in their graphics, the characters look very wrinkled.

A good remake, not only is graphics, but an improvement in gameplay, extra scenes, better voice acting, better sound effects... In this Remastered of The last of us, only its graphics have and even so I prefer honestly the ps4 version.

 

[Sosokrates]

Agree with the first two lines, but unfortunately i feel like it's gonna sell. The same reason shitty Ubi EA and Acti games sells, because people buy stuffs with popular names.

Don't cry when Sony see this game sell more than Returnal. And then decide to go full safe mode with a bunch of useless remakes more than brand new fresh games and IPs.

Its gonna sell, but not huge amounts, future ps+ inclusions will boost player numbers though.

Im a pretty hardcore TLOU fan and even I am not the fussed about playing it again even with the improvements. Ive played through it twice and its the sort of game that does not have the best replayability.

The biggest part of TLOU games are there stories, once you know the story playing it again is not something you really want to do.
The folks that really like to replay just for the gameplay are rare.
What makes TLOU games so great is its interactive storytelling, but im sure some ppl will argue that it isnt, but they are wrong, TLOU and ND games are are praised mainly for there storytelling. The gameplay is great but if it didnt have any story it would be received worse.

 

[Stare-Bear]

The constant push for woke-ism by most Western countries/media is starting to grate. At least in my humble opinion.

Enough is enough. Treat the LGBT community like equals, not some special needs demographic/minority.

So having a gay lead character is somehow special treatment? We should only be allowed to have minor roles in media?

 

[SlimySnake]

It’s a master class showcase how you split a fan base and turn even fans into haters. First you split the original release in a Joel and Ellie Edition. Then you make a sequel and kill one of those characters. What could possibly go wrong?

I love TLOU1 though, the gameplay, the story, the characters. It’s like top 5 for PS3/360 generation for me. And I was in day 1 when they announced this remake, but then the leaks came and now I’ll try waiting for the PS+ release instead.

I’m not worried about Ragnarök. It’ll be awesome. I do hope Kratos don’t kill Thor though, or Freya. After seeing the unboxing video with the Thor voice actor I’d rather take a new Thor IP than more Kratos. There are so much cool stuff to do with those myths. Kratos is out of his element already, I don’t understand what their longterm plan is, is he just going to slay all Gods in all myths? Give the poor sod his retirement.

In the first trailer, Atreus says they are trying to prevent ragnorak so kratos doesnt want to kill the norse gods. The problem is that all the norse gods are headstrong pieces of shit like Baldur so Freya, Thor and Odin arent just going to work with kratos.

I do think freya will eventually come around but not before a boss fight with the queen of the valkyrie.

 

[Markio128]

Gamers also want the medium pushed foward and new consoles to be utilized besides res,fps and QoL improvements.

You mean like with dualsense, accessibility and SSD features? Or maybe VR? Seems like Sony is doing its bit from where I’m sitting. I wouldn’t let the release of this one remake cloud your judgement.

 

[SLB1904]

Whoever is playing this game for the first time is in for a treat

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I was a big fan of TLOU1 both the PS3 version and the remaster.
I just think this is a bad decision from sony.
A remake of this calibre has a rather limited market of newcomers.

I actually think if sony charged like £10 for this version of a remake and made ot cross gen they would make similar money because more people would get it.

If you're going to make it PS5 only, show why besides QoL improvements.
I want to see current gen geometry,particles and effects on current gen games not just fps+res boosts.

This is just a way to get TLOU1 on PC, IMHO.....I think they are all talking up the PS5 just as a show of face, but what they really care about is selling TLOU to the PC only audience.

We know where Sony's priorities are now. It's no longer with hardcore PS5 fans. It's all about selling to GaaS or PC, not about creating ground breaking next-gen single player exclusives like they used to, which was central to their success in the PS3/PS4 era.

Sad to see it.

 

[Roberts]

I didn’t ask for it, or really want it, but I’ll be buying it because no doubt it will provide many hours of enjoyment, which is really all we ask for as gamers, isn’t it? I’d rather be playing this than the ‘mountain’ of first party games MS is releasing this year.

Good for you. That said, people seem to love FH5 dlc, As Dusk Falls. Pentiment is super promising and we, Grounded fans, can’t wait for 1.0

 

[Fredrik]

In the first trailer, Atreus says they are trying to prevent ragnorak so kratos doesnt want to kill the norse gods. The problem is that all the norse gods are headstrong pieces of shit like Baldur so Freya, Thor and Odin arent just going to work with kratos.

I do think freya will eventually come around but not before a boss fight with the queen of the valkyrie.

Interesting theory!
No idea what they’ll do. They said they can’t have Ragnarök in the title without Ragnarök happening though, so we basically know that will happen at least.
I think they’ll go through the myth deaths but as with Baldur Kratos won’t do the final blow but his actions will have the consequence of a dead God. Somehow, even if only by mistake, he’ll get Fenrir to eat Odin and world serpent to kill Thor etc.
Anyway, can’t wait to see what they’ll do but this is the wrong thread.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Also I agree with people saying TLOU games are a slog.

ND really screwed up starting with TLOU in terms of replayability. I purchased the Remaster of TLOU on PS4 and couldnt get myself to play it again. Just slow, walk n' talk, yada yada....the gameplay is fine, but even that isn't my cup of tea since it's so slow and tanky.

Uncharted 2 really had the perfect pace of gameplay fluidity + cutscenes and Druckman really fucked with all of that.

 

[Fredrik]

This is just a way to get TLOU1 on PC, IMHO.....I think they are all talking up the PS5 just as a show of face, but what they really care about is selling TLOU to the PC only audience.

We know where Sony's priorities are now. It's no longer with hardcore PS5 fans. It's all about selling to GaaS or PC, not about creating ground breaking next-gen single player exclusives like they used to, which was central to their success in the PS3/PS4 era.

Sad to see it.

Then they would release it on PC day 1. Their focus is still Playstation as I see it, but they’re spreading out to PC as well to get more people discovering and playing their games, and as a bonus if they go further with the visuals to get PS gamers with a PC to double dip.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Then they would release it on PC day 1. Their focus is still Playstation as I see it, but they’re spreading out to PC as well to get more people discovering and playing their games, and as a bonus if they go further with the visuals to get PS gamers with a PC to double dip.

They may not have the luxury of time, so they will give it to PS5 first....but let's not ignore where this will probably sell the most. I don't see PS5 fans scratching at the bit to rebuy a game a third time for $70 with less content

 

[skit_data]

It’s become clear to me that the PS5 version is more of a byproduct of creating a up-to-date (well, at least non gameplay wise) of the PC release of TLOU1. It’s a shame, they had an opportunity to bring it up to TLOU2 standards in terms of gameplay but I fear this falls either here nor there in those aspects.

Don’t get me wrong, I love TLOU1 & 2 but just as the initial reaction of hearing it was being remade I can’t shake the feeling of dev time and money being spent on a less than optimal project in terms of pushing the envelope.

 

[Fredrik]

They may not have the luxury of time, so they will give it to PS5 first....but let's not ignore where this will probably sell the most. I don't see PS5 fans scratching at the bit to rebuy a game a third time for $70 with less content

Depends on the hype, reviews, Twitter, streams etc.

Personally I don’t understand why they don’t use it to sell PS+ Premium/Extra. Would’ve been perfect for this. Would’ve changed the tone on the talks dramatically both for the game and the new service. Free stuff usually means positive word of mouth.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

That's how you do a remake. TLOU1 vs Remake....really not a big difference. I can play the PS4 version and get a perfectly acceptable experience.

 

[kikii]

That's how you do a remake. TLOU1 vs Remake....really not a big difference. I can play the PS4 version and get a perfectly acceptable experience.

ohmyy stop crying, wait till game is out or is 360p YT video okee ?

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

That's how you do a remake. TLOU1 vs Remake....really not a big difference. I can play the PS4 version and get a perfectly acceptable experience.

a perfectly acceptable experience in ps4, and a important thing... You save money.

 

[dDoc]

So having a gay lead character is somehow special treatment? We should only be allowed to have minor roles in media?

Druckman admitted as much during a conference, saying that he had a secret agenda.

I have nothing against gay people. Adults can play with whatever genitals they prefer in their bedrooms, it's not my business and not that fussed.

But it's no secret that the West has been pushing woke-ism left, right and center for the past few years on all media. Movies and TV series are centred around this rather than quality! It's sort of undisputable. It's sensory overload.

Do LGBTQ+ persons want to be treated as equal to hetero people or so they want to be given special treatment?

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Tlou 2 has proven the series is in a decline. Sales were worse, so likely not.

I think uncharted 2 would have been more exciting looking, especially since that style has more wow factor and tlou2 just came out and looks similar to TLOU1 remake

Decline?

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

a perfectly acceptable experience in ps4, and a important thing... You save money.

Then why are you in this thread? To ignite tension…?

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Then why are you in this thread? To ignite tension…?

It is a forum and it is an opinion. It is not to start a war, but it is a form of free expression.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

It is a forum and it is an opinion. It is not to start a war, but it is a form of free expression.

So why come here If you don’t plan on buying the Remake…Demon Souls PS3 is an acceptable experience and yet nobody said anything about it…If its about Naughty Dog the trolls come out like ants..

 

[DForce]

Druckman admitted as much during a conference, saying that he had a secret agenda.

I have nothing against gay people. Adults can play with whatever genitals they prefer in their bedrooms, it's not my business and not that fussed.

But it's no secret that the West has been pushing woke-ism left, right and center for the past few years on all media. Movies and TV series are centred around this rather than quality! It's sort of undisputable. It's sensory overload.

Do LGBTQ+ persons want to be treated as equal to hetero people or so they want to be given special treatment?

No, he said his secret agenda was to create "one of the coolest, non-sexualized female video game protagonists." This was after he admitted that he created some sexual designs for the infected.

Literally every single writer has some sort of agenda. Even Lara Croft was created because they wanted a "strong female character."

 

[SLB1904]

So why come here If you don’t plan on buying the Remake…Demon Souls PS3 is an acceptable experience and yet nobody said anything about it…If its about Naughty Dog the trolls come out like ants..

Dude stop pointing guns at people's head to buy it. You know damn well they have no choice. Jim has his hand in their pockets

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

So why come here If you don’t plan on buying the Remake…Demon Souls PS3 is an acceptable experience and yet nobody said anything about it…If its about Naughty Dog the trolls come out like ants..

In the case of Demon Souls, if it looks like Next Gen and improves a lot of its points, this is thanks to the great effort that was involved in Bluepoint and the magic of Japan Studio.

I like Naughty Dog and I have their games, but that's independent... another thing is that I get scammed and that's also critical.

 

[SlimySnake]

Also I agree with people saying TLOU games are a slog.

ND really screwed up starting with TLOU in terms of replayability. I purchased the Remaster of TLOU on PS4 and couldnt get myself to play it again. Just slow, walk n' talk, yada yada....the gameplay is fine, but even that isn't my cup of tea since it's so slow and tanky.

Uncharted 2 really had the perfect pace of gameplay fluidity + cutscenes and Druckman really fucked with all of that.

The first few hours of TLOU are a real slog. The game doesnt really kick into gear until you get to Pittsburgh. it's brilliantly paced after that. Boston and Bill's town are a slog to get through though Bill's town at least has a couple of good setpieces towards the end.

But yes, starting from TLOU2, ND really went all in on those stupid walking sections that really hurt replayibility. Uncharted 4 and TLOU2 took it to another level with some levels literally taking 30-45 minutes of walking and talking with zero combat or even puzzles.

To think all this started with that village level in Uncharted 2 after the train crash sequence. It was received very well by both critics and fans. Even I loved it, but ND took that 3 minute walking level and turned it into a 15 minute desert level in Uncharted 3 and then just went nuts after that. that flashback level with young drake and young sam in the mansion is almost 45 minutes with no gameplay. Left Behind is 50% playing around with Riley in an arcade. They went full ND all. Never go full ND.

 

[skneogaf]

To say it looks pretty much the exact same as 2 and isn't native 4k 60fps is also a little bit disappointing.

I'll be running this at native 4k@120hz with graphics turned up to eleven so it will be worth the purchase for me on steam.

 

[SlimySnake]

So why come here If you don’t plan on buying the Remake…Demon Souls PS3 is an acceptable experience and yet nobody said anything about it…If its about Naughty Dog the trolls come out like ants..

You of all people should know that people should be allowed to voice their displeasure at the level of graphical fidelity they expect this gen. From the best technical studio in the industry no less. You created a thread called, 'Graphics Fidelity I Expect This Gen'.

If we say nothing. If we just continue to accept mediocre graphics, devs and publishers will continue to shove this stuff down our throats for the rest of the gen.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Tlou 2 has proven the series is in a decline. Sales were worse, so likely not.

I think uncharted 2 would have been more exciting looking, especially since that style has more wow factor and tlou2 just came out and looks similar to TLOU1 remake

With the remake being released on PlayStation and PC, the TV show, factions, tlou2 eventual remaster for PlayStation and PC...some of you are in for a rude awakening.

Decline, lmao. Sony has their top premium studio 100% dedicated to this IP. I'm sure they loved that Tlou2 money.

 

[Stare-Bear]

Druckman admitted as much during a conference, saying that he had a secret agenda.

I have nothing against gay people. Adults can play with whatever genitals they prefer in their bedrooms, it's not my business and not that fussed.

But it's no secret that the West has been pushing woke-ism left, right and center for the past few years on all media. Movies and TV series are centred around this rather than quality! It's sort of undisputable. It's sensory overload.

Do LGBTQ+ persons want to be treated as equal to hetero people or so they want to be given special treatment?

Still don’t understand how having a lesbian lead character is “special treatment”. Is anything other than a white straight male lead “woke”?

 

[tommib]

 

[sendit]

a perfectly acceptable experience in ps4, and a important thing... You save money.

If saving money is your goal. Maybe take up a different hobby? Try coloring books.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

If saving money is your goal. Maybe take up a different hobby? Try coloring books.

It's not about spending money foolishly either.

This is about justifying the cost of effort, and if we deliberately buy products with little effort, companies will get used to continuing to scam their followers.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The first few hours of TLOU are a real slog. The game doesnt really kick into gear until you get to Pittsburgh. it's brilliantly paced after that. Boston and Bill's town are a slog to get through though Bill's town at least has a couple of good setpieces towards the end.

But yes, starting from TLOU2, ND really went all in on those stupid walking sections that really hurt replayibility. Uncharted 4 and TLOU2 took it to another level with some levels literally taking 30-45 minutes of walking and talking with zero combat or even puzzles.

To think all this started with that village level in Uncharted 2 after the train crash sequence. It was received very well by both critics and fans. Even I loved it, but ND took that 3 minute walking level and turned it into a 15 minute desert level in Uncharted 3 and then just went nuts after that. that flashback level with young drake and young sam in the mansion is almost 45 minutes with no gameplay. Left Behind is 50% playing around with Riley in an arcade. They went full ND all. Never go full ND.

God of War pacing is so much better in this regard. ND needs to figure out a better balance of leaving players in control while telling the story, and only having cutscenes be of a certain length.

When they just go on forever it kills the pacing.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

With the remake being released on PlayStation and PC, the TV show, factions, tlou2 eventual remaster for PlayStation and PC...some of you are in for a rude awakening.

Decline, lmao. Sony has their top premium studio 100% dedicated to this IP. I'm sure they loved that Tlou2 money.

TLOU2 will never come close to TLOU1 sales

The TV show could be a huge hit, but the fact remains that the gaming IP hasn't grown at all since TLOU1

ND should move on...I think after Part 2 they really killed any future the series has in terms of story. Just an awful way to continue the series. And yet Neil Druckmann thinks he's fucking Shakespeare or something after the "bold" decisions they made with it.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

This is definitely a PS4 game at heart than a true "from the ground up" PS5 game like the marketing bullshit is saying.

Actually it's a PS3 game at heart... it has a PS4 port that was labeled "remake" for some @#$#@$ reason.

I think that there should be a PS4 version, lower resolution, a bit lower quality assets, shadows, 30fps cap, lower quality resolution, etc. the environment are already limited in scope to work on PS3 level HW. That should work... I don't work for ND, but like previous PS5 "exclusives" that ended up being released on PS4 I think this one should.

That game broke people, as well as controllers it seems.

Well, it's internet... people like drama, and the scene was built to be emotional.

This is a real Remake

Yes, obviously... I don't think it's even close to be a simple port, new models, updated engine, etc. However, I have doubt when they talk about enhanced animations, at least not all of them.

That's how you do a remake. TLOU1 vs Remake....really not a big difference. I can play the PS4 version and get a perfectly acceptable experience.

Obviously the OG on PS4/pro at 60fps is still a great game... This is not a bad game and I think that the gameplay "enhancements" will be tweaks at best. Nobody would bat an eye if a game was released with the original control scheme today.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

TLOU2 will never come close to TLOU1 sales

The TV show could be a huge hit, but the fact remains that the gaming IP hasn't grown at all since TLOU1

ND should move on...I think after Part 2 they really killed any future the series has in terms of story. Just an awful way to continue the series. And yet Neil Druckmann thinks he's fucking Shakespeare or something after the "bold" decisions they made with it.

The first TLoU game didn't sell over 10M in less than 2 years. It sold less. There is sales growth though.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The first TLoU game didn't sell over 10M in less than 2 years. It sold less. There is sales growth though.

TLOU 1 was a new ip, TLoU2 is not, so sales are much more front loaded

 

[Popup]

People deal with grief in different ways.

 

[EruditeHobo]

It's not about spending money foolishly either.

This is about justifying the cost of effort, and if we deliberately buy products with little effort, companies will get used to continuing to scam their followers.

Please stop using the word scam, you don't seem to have any fucking idea what it means.

A "scam" isn't something where everything is presented to you in a "here's exactly what you're getting, and for this exact price" kind of way. So just say you're broke or cheap or angry or whatever, because calling it a scam makes you borderline trolling.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Druckman admitted as much during a conference, saying that he had a secret agenda.

y'all just saying anything at this point, lmao.