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The Last of Us Part I Rebuilt for PS5 - Features and Gameplay Trailer
MScarpa
Member
Night and day difference.Enhanced can mean a lot of things. Every texture is completely new. Watch the footage. Or if you're too lazy to do that, here are some shots for your viewing pleasure:
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Its a great remake if it was cross gen, but as a PS5 exclusive im expecting more.
£70 is a rip off, it should be at least half that and there should be an option for remaster owners to upgrade for £10-20
Its nice this version exists though, I wonder if the enemy Ai has improved when taking a hostage, in the remaster the enemies would behave really un un-naturally when you would grab a hostage.
£70 is a rip off, it should be at least half that and there should be an option for remaster owners to upgrade for £10-20
Its nice this version exists though, I wonder if the enemy Ai has improved when taking a hostage, in the remaster the enemies would behave really un un-naturally when you would grab a hostage.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
I'm starting to think that the popularity of the I.P. It is doing a lot of damage, especially after what happened with the sequel and the fault lies with Sony itself, for squeezing even what it shouldn't.
In my opinion, Ellie is also being ruined with the forced inclusions, and more inappropriate issues.
Really is a justification why we should pay 70 dollars for this game, for the graphics nothing else?
And to me, the versions that PS3 and PS4 had seem better, they made the characters charismatic and they still look good.
In my opinion, Ellie is also being ruined with the forced inclusions, and more inappropriate issues.
Really is a justification why we should pay 70 dollars for this game, for the graphics nothing else?
And to me, the versions that PS3 and PS4 had seem better, they made the characters charismatic and they still look good.
JerryinSoCal
Member
It is a big difference, but it was also barely a 6-hour campaign, and the MP sections are all taken from those environments. TLOU has a much longer story, around 3 times longer. The marketing material for COD says nothing about rebuilding anything just better textures and lighting which did a nice job of making the game look significantly better but they didn't rebuild anything the way ND has for TLOU. I have the COD remaster it does look better which is great but they didn't go as far as ND did here so people who keep wanting to compare the two directly are wasting their time as they are not the same thing.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
So you missed her kissing a girl on the first game's DLC?
Oddvintagechap
Member
you’ll be surprised how many stupid fucks think they randomly made her gay.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
In fact, I have the ps3 and ps4 version, it was not a problem in that DLC scene.
But what happened in the sequel, I think they kind of ruined Ellie.
EDMIX
Member
This. I feel the people so fucking focused on screaming about woke shit seem to the ones that didn't even fucking play the game and expose how little they know of the series in the first place.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Looks amazing
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Can't wait to see the OT filled with the same people complaining here, end up buying and commenting on the game. If so many people hate the price I hope you vote with your wallets.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Rockstar is too lazy/stingy to even give us a 60 fps update to RDR2 (a game that plays badly at 30 fps) and Naughty Dog has not done any work worthy of the PS5 as well as floundering on being able to deliver a multiplayer experience. Uncharted 4 "remaster" without multiplayer. Last of Us 1 Remake: no multiplayer (that's a big blow to the value of this; a lot of content). Factions is coming sometime ..someday?
I was playing Uncharted 4 "remaster" today and the graphics are unquestionably a downgrade from the 2016 game being played on a ps4 pro. The only good thing it has is 60 fps and some minor improvements to textures here and there. They downgraded the global illumination to where Drakes clothes and shirt no longer reacts in a sophisticated and beautiful way to changes in lighting. I have no idea why this is but it really hurts the presentation. Also, there is some nasty SSR artifacting all throughout this remaster. It's also only 1440p ...on ps5. The Last of Us 1 Remake doesn't look like it's taking full advantage of a ps5 either. This is the best the mighty Naughty Dog can do on 2-3x more powerful hardware?
Then there's the 'naughty' marketing language Sony and Druckman used to hype this remake. If anyone wonders why people are so annoyed by this game, it's very simple: stop being disengenuous and/lying to customers to hype your product.
The $70? I'm just disgusted with Sony for this. For people who really want to buy and play the definitive version of Part 1 it's a slap in the face. We've already bought this game once or most likely twice and you want to charge $70 ...this is how Sony's been though for the last two years. Everything is a take no prisoners/nickel and dime us to death approach since ps5 released.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
THIS. A million times over. This!
To the people saying we're being hypocritical in getting pissed at Sony for this buy no Demons Souls. Do you not agree that this should look better than Last of Us 2, by a longshot, when that game is 2 years old and this was built "from the ground up" on the ps5 (a new generation of hardware)?
No? You think it shouldn't look any different? Demons Souls was on another level than this as a Remake. Demons Souls also came out almost 2 years ago now! What has the mighty Naughty Dog been doing with themselves to not easily surpass Last of Us 2??
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ive been calling this out for a while now but this post gives me hope for this forum. MLB The Show launching at $70 on next gen consoles while offering no next gen visuals or gameplay features was absolutely insane. For two years in a row now, they havent even bothered upgrading character models like Take 2 have for NBA and like EA has for Fifa and Madden. Fifa is even using next gen hair. MLB the show doesnt even look as good as the first gifs they revealed way back in 2013 for a next gen PS4 experience.
And it's not even about the $70 price tag, it's the misleading statements and PR that just leaves a bad taste for various different reasons. One, they are not honest which makes you feel misled as a consumer. 2) It tells me that they are insecure about their product which means they know that last gen is holding back these games but they chose to say Horizon, Miles Morales and now TLOU remake were built from the ground up on PS5. Lastly, HFW and Miles claims I can understand, they were made by Jimbo, but to see a director like Neil make those claims is disheartening. We always hold devs to a higher regard than suits like Jimbo, Kotick, Aaron Greenberg and Reggie. Imagine if Myamoto came out and started misleading us. It breaks down the trust between the artist and the fan. That is sacrosanct unlike say the fandom between a brand/corporation and its fanboys which we all expect to be exploited by greedy suits. Not Neil, Not Tarrantino, not George RR Martin, not like this.
At the end of the day, this is a PS4 remake on par with the $40 SOTC and Ratchet remakes and a touch below the Demon Souls remake. They have upgraded the graphics to PS4 standards, made some small gameplay improvements and it is worth $40 and should be released as a PS4 game with a PS5 SKU like Horizon, GT7 and GOW. Just be honest and dont try to fool us. We are not dumb.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's a shame that they took over the project after shipping TLOU2 in May 2020 AFTER the Unreal Engine 5 demo had been revealed, and still didnt take advantage of next gen hardware. Epic made this entire demo before TLOU2 ever came out. ND shouldve looked at that and said, THIS is what we have to beat. ND chose instead to target last gen.
If you're taking over the fledgling project from a support studio, you cant just help it limp over the finish line. You reboot it, rebuild it, and make it look next gen instead of simply telling us its next gen. I am not buying this excuse that they simply took over a project and it was too late to make changes.
ND is a very productive studio. They made TLOU2 in just 2 years and 8 months after shipping Lost Legacy which itself took just 1 year and 2 months for its 8 hour campaign with a brand new storyline, mocap, boss fights and setpieces. TLOU2 is twice as long as TLOU at 30 hours, with 3x-5x more levels, boss fights, setpieces and encounters than TLOU1. So why is it that simply recreating assets and reanimating facial animations (last gen ones at that) took 2 years AFTER they took the project? What happened here? And why couldnt they simply use next gen assets? I know they use the Quixxel library Epic bought and made available to all UE4 and UE5 users, so why not just grab next gen assets instead of using last gen? You are redrawing them anyway. Was adding a new lighting engine really that time consuming? This wouldve been the perfect game to test next gen waters. Gameplay was done, mocap was done, story was done, all they needed to do was revamp the lighting and texture data. Just what the hell happened here?
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kikii
Member
im from finland and pre-ordered such as returnal for 49€, but here ppl still crying 70 pop of that gameDon't know from where you are buying your games but I can easily preorder the game for 59,95€.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It's a shame that they took over the project after shipping TLOU2 in May 2020 AFTER the Unreal Engine 5 demo had been revealed, and still didnt take advantage of next gen hardware. Epic made this entire demo before TLOU2 ever came out. ND shouldve looked at that and said, THIS is what we have to beat. ND chose instead to target last gen.
If you're taking over the fledgling project from a support studio, you cant just help it limp over the finish line. You reboot it, rebuild it, and make it look next gen instead of simply telling us its next gen. I am not buying this excuse that they simply took over a project and it was too late to make changes.
ND is a very productive studio. They made TLOU2 in just 2 years and 8 months after shipping Lost Legacy which itself took just 1 year and 2 months for its 8 hour campaign with a brand new storyline, mocap, boss fights and setpieces. TLOU2 is twice as long as TLOU at 30 hours, with 3x-5x more levels, boss fights, setpieces and encounters than TLOU1. So why is it that simply recreating assets and reanimating facial animations (last gen ones at that) took 2 years AFTER they took the project? What happened here? And why couldnt they simply use next gen assets? I know they use the Quixxel library Epic bought and made available to all UE4 and UE5 users, so why not just grab next gen assets instead of using last gen? You are redrawing them anyway. Was adding a new lighting engine really that time consuming? This wouldve been the perfect game to test next gen waters. Gameplay was done, mocap was done, story was done, all they needed to do was revamp the lighting and texture data. Just what the hell happened here?
I’d really like to know the answer to this as well
TLOU1 is a linear game. They had over two years and finalized ps5 hardware. All they had to do was make it look next gen.
But as it stands? It’s just making it look like tlou2 on ps4/ps5. If they did this because they wanted the games to have a consistent style or tone, and only had so many resources because everyone else was on factions, okay. But don’t sit here and lie to me that this is the best ND can do making a game “ground up” for PS5, and charge $70 for it. That’s a fucking lie.
I can see with my own two eyes. The premier Sony studio can’t make a better looking game than Insomniac’s B team?
The game would be worth $70 to me if it actually looked proper next gen. That’s what I was expecting when this rumor came out. I thought ND we’re going to blow everyone away and really showcase the power of ps5.
The comparison shots they showed in the video are comical. Looks hardly changed at all. Like they just added a tiny density filter to the textures and foliage
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Fredrik
Member
More like you’ll be surprised how many that never played the DLC.
I guarantee that for 95% of those who played TLOU1 Ellie being a lesbian in TLOUp2 felt like a surprise.
But let’s be real, the Part 2 ”hating” comes from what they did to Joel, and how they did it.
Ellie being a lesbian isn’t even worth talking about, it’s just made into a big deal because US is so polarised on LGBT and it’s pushed so hard in entertainment media. Most, if not all, who played TLOU1 saw Joel as the main protagonist. Of course it’ll upset people when he’s barely even a side character in Part 2.
Freya killing Kratos after 30 minutes for murdering Baldur and the rest of Ragnarök is about playing as her and fighting Atreus would probably not go down well either.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It’s this going to be 1440p as well? Lmfao if so
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The cutscenes look on par with TLOU2. The animations and character models in cutscenes look absolutely stunning which leads me to believe that ND artists only worked on the cutscenes while the rest of the game was made by VSG studio devs.
ND games always look better in cutscenes but the gulf in quality was not this bad in U4, ULL and TLOU2 ever since they moved to realtime cutscenes.
yes, if you want to play at 60 fps, it's 1440p like TLOU2 BC. But unlike TLOU2, there seems to be a 4k 40 fps version (30 fps if you dont have a 120 hz tv). It can be uncapped too so that is something.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Not sure many will follow, look at this thread… people look like they do not really give a crap for this or accept software also has a cost for things like this. Not saying this justifies the price tag in and of itself but you are one of the few pointing it out.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
TLOU2's gameplay was revealed at E3 with a giant lesbian make out session and it still won rave reviews. No one cared. Everyone was stoked about the game until the leaks which revealed Joel's death. I agree, I dont think 99% of the gamers dislike TLOU2 because of the lesbian stuff. If anything, the only sex scene they mock and memed is the straight sex between Abby and Owen. The lesbian romance was tastefully handled during sex scenes, and even when they were living together as a couple.
Ive seen a lot of clips of players reactions and while everyone was devastated by Joel's death, they still liked playing as Ellie until the character switch. That is when Neil and ND lost everyone. People literally quit streaming. Some threw their controllers. Some just slumped. I like the game and even I was like fuck this shit. Then they started up with zero upgrades and back at Seattle Day 1 and i completely checked out. Just a dumb design decision all around. Took all the wrong lessons from MGS2.
P.S i am worried about GOW Ragnorak. Not because i fear some woke shit in there, but because it has taken them longer to make a straight sequel than it did for them to reboot the franchise. 4.5 years is way too long and likely means the game was in development hell. Jason said TLOU2 was supposed to come out in 2019 but was delayed because of poor focus testing of Abby's sections which ND had to throw out and redesign from scratch leading to a 8 month delay. I wonder if SSM tried to do something similar and killed off Kratos mid way through the game only to find out everyone hates emo Atreus or Freya or Thor whoever they make us play as. Otherwise, im struggling to understand why that game is taking so long.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Im not worried about GoW: R
It took 4.5 years because they killed the third game. It’s gonna be massive and everything we want to close out the Norse story arc
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That would make sense. Freya, Thor, Odin, Fenrir are all still alive. They did say that the Titan battles/setpieces in GOW3 would take them 6 months to a year so it's possible those return for this game especially if Ragnorak goes through as prophesied and the Titan Sutyr ends up destroying Asgard. The wolf (Fenrir) in the CG release date trailer looks massive as well and i doubt it would be a traditional 1v1 fight. Could be an insane setpiece boss battle. And finally, the first game hinted at Atreus giving birth to the serpent (Jogmunder) so that could also be a big Cronos like setpiece from GOW3.
They were mostly missing from the first game, so I hope that the extra time is being taken up by the development of these big setpiece moments and boss fights.
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sendit
Member
People that are complaining about projects taking longer than usual are forgetting that covid happened. Working from home reduces productivity. With that said, Sony has had a consistent release of titles throughout this current generation. I don't think I need to mention other games that have been delayed as a result or released in a incomplete state.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
Gamefreak remains king of stale though so first spot is taken.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Working from home does not reduce productivity in all cases depending on the role, it can actually improve productivity
sendit
Member
Remember after TLoU2 came out? Then for months on end it kept winning awards. And was still be talked about. And was still getting awards. The bottom of the barrel comments and grasping at straws from the people who never even played the game
Rinse, repeat, recycle until something sticks. People thought Cyberpunk 2077 was going to crush The Last of Us 2 in terms of awards.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Yes the more spreading of information of how cash grab this project is the better as it might save a person 70$ if they avoid or wait for the inevitable PS+ or 30$ if bought on discount.Jesus you guys still going
Meanwhile Sony and ND come release date
sendit
Member
Right, this isn't true in all roles (other variables to consider with a home environment). However, game development at the 'AAA' scale is a collaborative process from internal to external teams. This includes software engineers, animators, writers, directors, actors, etc. The covid/global pandemic absolutely had an impact on the schedule of video game releases. Now we have the Monkey Pox
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hemo memo
Gold Member
They give awards like candy in this industry so it is stupid to use it as a scale. Cyberpunk got so many awards and I wouldn’t recommend it to my worst enemy.Remember after TLoU2 came out? Then for months on end it kept winning awards. And was still be talked about. And was still getting awards. The bottom of the barrel comments and grasping at straws from the people who never even played the game
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Oh I definitely 100% will not get the game, I can only speak for myself but no I will not be in the OT later lol.
I also don't buy this logic that much anymore, I could list a lot different types of media that lost many fans which did indeed result in less sales or popularity.
Fredrik
Member
It’s a master class showcase how you split a fan base and turn even fans into haters. First you split the original release in a Joel and Ellie Edition. Then you make a sequel and kill one of those characters. What could possibly go wrong?
I love TLOU1 though, the gameplay, the story, the characters. It’s like top 5 for PS3/360 generation for me. And I was in day 1 when they announced this remake, but then the leaks came and now I’ll try waiting for the PS+ release instead.
I’m not worried about Ragnarök. It’ll be awesome. I do hope Kratos don’t kill Thor though, or Freya. After seeing the unboxing video with the Thor voice actor I’d rather take a new Thor IP than more Kratos. There are so much cool stuff to do with those myths. Kratos is out of his element already, I don’t understand what their longterm plan is, is he just going to slay all Gods in all myths? Give the poor sod his retirement.
Stare-Bear
Banned
We have no problem if a game has nazi's, genocide or other human atrocities. But make the lead character a lesbian and people are still having meltdowns years and years after...
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Maybe this is all perfect marketing and next month Sony and Naughty Dog announce that it will be 60 instead of 70 and the whole world rejoices and goes back to sucking ND dick!
Go Drunkman!
Go Drunkman!
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Was there genuinely a problem with the lesbian thing? How the fuck are people fans of this series and didnt play the DLC.....
...My problem with number 2 was never the game, it plays incredible.... or lesbians...or anything really.....My problem looking back is the obvious treatment of Joel...and to me Ellie....she's a fucking DICK in this game.....I can understand her drive at first, but there is absolutely nothing redeeming about her in part 2....I'm pure Team Abby, at least Abby had a more believable human ark to me. Abby seemed like she was a dick and then learnt humanity and something to live for.....Ellie had her upset over losing joel, had everything to live for and threw it all away...shes a dickhead....
Team Abby for life!.....and there is some hurt saying that because obviously Ellie was the core to number 1 but she turned into a dickhead...lmao.
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I'm on Seattle Day 3 as Ellie, I really want to play as Abby. I've been playing this game in and out since February last year. It's so damn long.
Also, a question. How old is Joel in these flashbacks? Why he sounds like a grandpa? The way he speaks makes him look so, so weak and tired. He didn't sound like this in the original game.
dDoc
Member
The constant push for woke-ism by most Western countries/media is starting to grate. At least in my humble opinion.
Enough is enough. Treat the LGBT community like equals, not some special needs demographic/minority.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
it's really too long, it could do with like 5 hours cut out of it. But there is some awesome moments. Abby is the best.
Joel was done dirty but the flashback at the museum is amazing and made me dream of the game that 2 could have been. The more time that passes I really do realise how much Druckmans choices for LOUII literally ruined the franchise. 2 is bad in so many ways. drags, and drags and drags. I dont know what I expected after uncharted 4.
dDoc
Member
A few years after TLoU concluded, so guessing mid fifties.
Also it's the apocalypse, stress builds up and affects the peeps
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This guy nails everything and is well spoken, really delivers the points perfectly about this game and the industry as a whole.
Deserves the views.
Deserves the views.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
A few years after TLoU concluded, so guessing mid fifties.
Also it's the apocalypse, stress builds up and affects the peeps
Or rather it was a conscious design decision. It really sticks out because I'm playing 1 & 2 at the same time now.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
It's almost like the director changed his mind on who the character was and how he is.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Jormatar
Member
Ah yes, the disastrous TLOU2 which is currently the most awarded videogame in history.
Or are we talking about sales? Let's remember TLOU2 sold 10 milloin copies twice as fast as critically acclaimed multiplatform game RE2. Looks like TLOU2 will beat even RE8 in sales by the time RE8 is 2 years old.
Not to sound like fanboy defending ND but it's just hilarious what kind of nonsense people spout about TLOU2.
Signal Rockets
Banned
Well, paying $70 for an old ass game is pretty darn steep.
SSfox
Member
It's actually insane to think that Crash trilogy cost 40$, i actually though that was easy worthy 60$, and we're talking about Acti here, the most evil dev in the industry.
Jimbo and Hermen are just too greedy, it's like the PC ports weren't enough for to satisfy them. They're ruining everything playstation has build in the previous generations.
Jimbo and Hermen are just too greedy, it's like the PC ports weren't enough for to satisfy them. They're ruining everything playstation has build in the previous generations.