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The Last of Us Part I Rebuilt for PS5 - Features and Gameplay Trailer
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I still think they're holding back on showing everything.
Graphics wise, the remake looks like what a remastered tlou2 would look like on ps5. Nowadays it's difficult for devs to illustrate graphical upgrades via YouTube. For example it's obvious how much ND's obsession with film grain takes away from the presentation. Also no HDR version of the trailer of course, and TLOU2 has great HDR implementation. Considering I turn off film grain and play TLOU2 on OLED in all it's HDR glory, the remake is at a comparative disadvantage.
In terms of complaints about lack of gameplay changes, I think people are just used to what they know until they can experience something fresh and better than what they're used to. My bet is so many people will be begging ND for TLOU2 to receive the same advancements once they actually play TLOU Remake.
Graphics wise, the remake looks like what a remastered tlou2 would look like on ps5. Nowadays it's difficult for devs to illustrate graphical upgrades via YouTube. For example it's obvious how much ND's obsession with film grain takes away from the presentation. Also no HDR version of the trailer of course, and TLOU2 has great HDR implementation. Considering I turn off film grain and play TLOU2 on OLED in all it's HDR glory, the remake is at a comparative disadvantage.
In terms of complaints about lack of gameplay changes, I think people are just used to what they know until they can experience something fresh and better than what they're used to. My bet is so many people will be begging ND for TLOU2 to receive the same advancements once they actually play TLOU Remake.
Ulysses 31
Member
If they also removed the multiplayer it would be very likely people would.
But Dark Souls Remastered was also on the minimalistic side other than the stable 60 fps and people seemed to have accepted that.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That's false. A remaster for Bloodborne has been going on for years now and there's almost no one who is actually against it. People are upset because they believe not enough changes were made to the remake/remaster of TLOU. People knew for weeks prior to the leaks that there would be no multiplayer. You could literally do a 1-for-1 remaster for Bloodborne (even without PvP) and people would accept it for 70 bucks.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah, simply wrong.
Ulysses 31
Member
I'm 99.9% sure a lot of people wouldn't be OK with the multiplayer removed and still paying 70$/80€ for Bloodborne Remastered.
Yes, provided it would be like Dark Souls Remastered where nothing was removed and fps doubled and stabilized. And that was cheaper than 60$ (40$ IIRC).
On TLOU Remake I'm still sceptic if it's really made from the ground up for PS5 as claimed.
I would be very surprised if that were the case, Bloodborne is highly regarded PS game like LTOU and if even TLOU gets called out for no multi, I'm sure Bloodborne would too.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
actually, we would because the 70 dollar bullshit is fucking stupid
and even if people didn't, bloodborne is also a better game, sooooo what's the issue here
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
People knew the $70 price tag weeks ago
People knew multiplayer was removed from TLOU remake weeks ago.
This recent drama started AFTER the leak gameplay surfaced.
Ulysses 31
Member
I don't think anyone's complaining about the devs not being upfront about what's being delivered.
People can rightfully point out that they're getting less game content for the same/higher price.
kikii
Member
well ppl complains untill release sad but true but 70 is too much
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
its far from cap. from games look like dog shit. All of them.
GametimeUK
Member
So the time between the release of the game and the release of the remake is more important than the quality of the remake?
Bare in mind we had Resident Evil, Resident Evil Directors Cut and Resident Evil Remake in a shorter time frame than TLOU, TLOUR and TLOUP1.
It seems crazy to me that 10 or 11 years since the last release is considered OK for Demons Souls, but 8ish years since the remaster and 9ish years since original release for TLOU is completely unacceptable.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're missing the point. There's nothing wrong with complaining about the price. I said this outrage started recently because people believe everything was basically copy and pasted over from the original game outside of the visuals. People think ND lied about the modernized gameplay.
Yes, I think $70 is too much.
What’s wrong? I haven’t played demon souls(either game), so maybe I am overestimating what it is. Is it a reskin of the original game? Is the VO, music the same? Is it the same game engine? Are the levels exactly the same?
Edit: by some peoples definition I guess no man’s sky is a remake too.
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New music, voice, art, gfx, menues all 100% redone
Level design remained the same but the animations for everything were WASTLY improved to the point of it feeling like a huge difference. It also has way snappier controls. Oh and the original barely held 30fps while the new is locked 60
So Demons looks WAY different from the original. In some shots of tlou there is a margibal difference by comparison. And since already runs at 60fps on ps4… so yeah
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Ulysses 31
Member
There was a video earlier in this threat of attack animations side by side and it leads some credence that there was some copy/paste involved in the PS5 gameplay.
Personally I don't really mind some re-use of animations but it gets harder and harder to sell this game as a "from the ground up remake" the more such re-uses come to light.
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Fredrik
Member
It’s a PR blunder, they shouldn’t have used that term and shouldn’t have talked about implementing what they learned from Part 2, without explaining exactly what that means.
Some people, including myself, thought we would get the award-winning Part 2 gameplay with the loved TLOU story and characters with a new engine taking advantage of the new hardware.
In some ways it could be said that they’re doing what they said, just in a smaller scale. But they left too much room for hype and dreams to run free and in the end everything feels like a disappointnent, even though it really is just about the same thing as Bluepoint did with Demon’s Souls.
3liteDragon
Member
daveonezero
Banned
I played this originally on PS3 but never finished. This is a game I'd like to try someday and then ignore 2.
GermanZepp
Member
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The game was basically ported over to the PS4 a year later. Probably would've released it earlier if wasn't such a difficult task. There are far more improvements in this remaster/remake.Isn't a fair comparison. Tlou was already remastered.
Fbh
Member
I don't think you get my point, it's not about the time of release, but rather the availability and current state of the original release.
Aside from emulation on PC, if anyone wanted to play Demon Souls the only option was to get a Ps3 and play the game in its original state at 720p and 30fps with drops and the traditional FROMSOFT bad frame pacing.
Which is annoying for multiple reasons because not everyone has a Ps3 and even those who once did might have gotten rid of it in the 16 years since it launched, additionally playing games at 720p and 30fps with drops feels pretty bad in this age of 1080p+ and 60fps gaming even on consoles.
Compare that to TLOU1 which is literally playable on both Ps4 and PS5 right now at 1800p and 60fps. (I think it's 1080p on base Ps4)
As I said, if Demon Souls had been playable on ps5 at 1800p and 60fps then a remake would have been less enticing, specially if it also cut the multiplayer features.
IMO no game from the Ps3 that got a remaster or port and is playable on modern consoles with decent resolution and framerate needs a remake. Dark Souls is one of my favorite games of all time and it came out before The Last of Us, but it already got remastered and is playable on all modern platforms with a decent resolution and framerate, so I'd much rather have FROM software release a new game or a remake of an older game (like Otogi) instead of a $70 remake of Dark Souls 1 with no multiplayer.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Most videos views are done in that time, for example GOW:R trailer from last week is at 7.1
That was done in the first two days
So yeah, 1 million is fitting.
mrqs
Member
People are just insane.
TLOU is a game that never died. They remastered it for PS4, made it a healthy way to play it and it still hold up today. TLOU Part 2 just came out, so the franchise as a whole is still fresh in our heads.
Demon's Souls was a dead game. Super hyped, belove, but impossible to play it. They remastered it to enhance it and make it available on new platforms. People cared about Demon's Souls for years and years, and most people didn't even have a great way to play it.
That remaster/remake was worth it because it did improve the presentation by 10x and made it something absolutely gorgeous.
TLOU Part 1 is, perceptively, a 2x or at most 3x visual improvement (and I'm being generous). It looks better, but even I as a hardcore gamer have a lot of problems discerning one from the other in some scenes.
The outrage is deserved not aimed at ND. ND is great. But the problem is Sony.
Sony is at a place that a "remake" of a widely available game with better graphics (essentially just a coat of paint) is enough to invest so much that they "have" to charge $70. This is an economic nightmare that shows how Sony is perceiving the current market. This is like EA remaking Dead Space, Ubisoft with Splinter Cell, but Sony is so afraid of invest in something that they had to get one of the most current franchises and make this whole deal about it.
This wouldn't have happened if they weren't so damn greedy. If this is to get people who watch the TV Show to buy in, setup a system so people can upgrade their PS4 version. Just that. Even $40 for that would be more than enough.
TLOU is a game that never died. They remastered it for PS4, made it a healthy way to play it and it still hold up today. TLOU Part 2 just came out, so the franchise as a whole is still fresh in our heads.
Demon's Souls was a dead game. Super hyped, belove, but impossible to play it. They remastered it to enhance it and make it available on new platforms. People cared about Demon's Souls for years and years, and most people didn't even have a great way to play it.
That remaster/remake was worth it because it did improve the presentation by 10x and made it something absolutely gorgeous.
TLOU Part 1 is, perceptively, a 2x or at most 3x visual improvement (and I'm being generous). It looks better, but even I as a hardcore gamer have a lot of problems discerning one from the other in some scenes.
The outrage is deserved not aimed at ND. ND is great. But the problem is Sony.
Sony is at a place that a "remake" of a widely available game with better graphics (essentially just a coat of paint) is enough to invest so much that they "have" to charge $70. This is an economic nightmare that shows how Sony is perceiving the current market. This is like EA remaking Dead Space, Ubisoft with Splinter Cell, but Sony is so afraid of invest in something that they had to get one of the most current franchises and make this whole deal about it.
This wouldn't have happened if they weren't so damn greedy. If this is to get people who watch the TV Show to buy in, setup a system so people can upgrade their PS4 version. Just that. Even $40 for that would be more than enough.
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Melfice7
Member
I'd pay 100
Corporal.Hicks
Member
Graphics fidelity increase is very impressive, but I'm not so sure if I like this desaturated look (color grading). Original TLOU1 on PS3/PS4 was very colorful game compared to this remake.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Shhhhtrue 70€ is too much, but why noone complains Nintendos 100 years old ports, and they havent sometimes even upped res? but ppl pay 60€ pop per game and isnt complaining
we dont talk about nintendo here .. they are watching ... be afraid 
hinch7
Member
Both are terrible value and I never bought DS at launch. Played it on PS3, don't feel the need to play it again.
Difference being, DS was a launch title and there weren't a massive selection of high quality of games when the PS5 hit.
For perspective, I preordered TLOU back in 2013 for just over £40. Its £30 more for a rereleased/remake 9 years later. Can be found for retail for £60 like other new PS5 games so there's that.
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GametimeUK
Member
So the main difference between Demon's Souls and The Last of Us being acceptable is because the original Demon's Souls isn't available natively on PS4 and PS5 via backwards compatibility?
Availability of the game via backwards compatability to me shouldn't be the reason one (near) like for like remake of a PS3 game costing £70 is OK over another (near) like for like remake of a PS3 game costing £70 is getting bashed.
But yeah now you've pointed it out I can see why Demon's Souls is a more desirable game to play, but I disagree that the lack of availability on PS4 means Demon's Souls gets a pass of being a remake of a PS3 game at £70 whilst TLOU doesn't get the same pass.
I think the value comes from the actual intent of the remake, quality and execution.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It's not called TLoU so you're right.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It’s a remake. And your mental gymnastics doesn’t change that fact.
proandrad
Member
People didn't get mad about The last of Us Remastered. They got made about the remake of The Last of Us Remastered. Do you see the difference? A better take would be if people would be as mad if Fromsoft try to do a Dark Souls Remake.
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
It just isn't smart marketing imo to show the trailer of a game with muted colors, drenched in film grain, then smothered with youtube compression artifacts.
Why are they even continuing with heavy film grain since it's native 4k now? It's time for developers to start releasing trailers running in real-time for consoles. Or adopt Matrix style sliver of gameplay. Say what you want about Hasan K but he had the right idea with real time trailers.
FunkMiller
Member
Bloodborne kinda needs a remaster/remake, because of its technical issues on PS4. Also, hasn’t already sold tens of millions. I’d be tempted to purchase a complete overhaul of it like Demon’s Souls, due to the likely vastly better experience.
Last Of Us remaster was a rock solid, excellent experience on PS4. It sold many, many millions. Remake completely unnecessary. Especially at full price!
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Bloodborne is a title that runs terribly and has aged greatly.
TLOU1 Remake is basically just a re-skin using TLOU2 assets. It's marketed as "built from the ground up for PS5" when it is not. If Bloodborne remaster was just a re-skin using Elden Ring assets, $70 would seem steep to me too. If it was a full-up Bluepoint style remaster with all new assets for next-gen, then it would be more reasonable.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Don't know from where you are buying your games but I can easily preorder the game for 59,95€.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
The last of us remastered was released before the last of us part 2. The hate train hadn't started yet lol
Sleepwalker
Member
Jesus you guys still going
Meanwhile Sony and ND come release date
Meanwhile Sony and ND come release date
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Imagine the topics and excuses if the game hits #1, since it's an unnecessary remake no one cares about, lmao.Jesus you guys still going
Meanwhile Sony and ND come release date
I'm sure the list is already worked on.
Sleepwalker
Member
Yeah it will sell and will sell very well.
This is a big franchise and the casual gamers dont care to play a 8 year old remaster no matter how hard you wanna yell on a forum that it holds up well.
Lol have you seen the shit some of you spend your money on? Anyway, what isn’t considered a cash grab may I ask? Aren’t you all slagging off assassins creed every year (the biggest annual cash grab there is) but somehow Valhalla is the highest grossing AC game now? All you saps went out and bought it really. And you were all on here thinking your smug and done one over on Ubisoft because you said you’ll get it in the bargain bin….
Same shit happens with ND - these threads are full of weird downplaying of Naughty Dogs success and output, but ND, once again, stays on top with reviews and sales and fan base. If this is a cash grab…. Naughty dog can fuckin have it. They’ve done nothing but put immensely satisfying games out to me. A little remake between their next sequel or next IP, I’ll take it. The money can go towards their next game.
Same shit happens with ND - these threads are full of weird downplaying of Naughty Dogs success and output, but ND, once again, stays on top with reviews and sales and fan base. If this is a cash grab…. Naughty dog can fuckin have it. They’ve done nothing but put immensely satisfying games out to me. A little remake between their next sequel or next IP, I’ll take it. The money can go towards their next game.
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Remember after TLoU2 came out? Then for months on end it kept winning awards. And was still be talked about. And was still getting awards. The bottom of the barrel comments and grasping at straws from the people who never even played the game
As divisive as TLOU2 was it was still an ambitious game that obviously had much passion and care put into it. I am one of it's biggest fans but I have issues with this remake. This is more like what Rockstar did with the GTA trilogy. Maybe not quite that bad but nothing about this justifies a seventy dollar price tag. Why not make a Lost Legacy type of expansion to TLOU2 instead?Remember after TLoU2 came out? Then for months on end it kept winning awards. And was still be talked about. And was still getting awards. The bottom of the barrel comments and grasping at straws from the people who never even played the game
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
That's why so many people are still mad in 2022 let's be honest, lmao.Remember after TLoU2 came out? Then for months on end it kept winning awards. And was still be talked about. And was still getting awards. The bottom of the barrel comments and grasping at straws from the people who never even played the game
GametimeUK
Member
Bloodborne doesn't "need" a remake. Bloodborne could get away with a next gen patch like every other PS4 game, but there are people online slamming TLOU Part 1 whilst asking for a Bloodborne Remake which further points out the blatant hypocrisy from a lot of gaming fans.
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Bloodborne could simply give 60FPS with no other changes and many hardcore gamers would pay two hundred dollars for it. That being said in both cases it would be a cheap cash grab.