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Place your bets: Will Sony honor past ps1/psp purchases when they roll out the new ps+?
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Javthusiast
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Krappadizzle
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Name one. One game from a digital storefront that's "lost forever". A delisted game is not the same a "lost" game.
near
Gold Member
Noby Noby Boy. PSN exclusive. GG.
Trogdor1123
Member
It’s a subscription service so I don’t think so. It would have been nice though
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Where did that figure come from? $18 a month I mean.
Krappadizzle
Member
O, you mean another game you can play on PC via emulation? I meant a game you CAN'T play. And even though you tried to pull a gotcha and failed, you were specifically talking about PC. So...double fail? GG.
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near
Gold Member
If people cared about piracy and not actually supporting the developers, they wouldn't buy these games to begin with.
Your edit:
"and even though you tried to pull a gotcha and failed, you were specifically talking about PC. So...double fail? GG."
No I'm talking about digital games at large on all storefronts.
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Krappadizzle
Member
I'd argue, that if a company cared about letting you play your game, they'd not force some to resort to piracy. Even that said, how does playing a game you bought 13 years ago on modern hardware support a developer if you can no longer buy said game on a storefront? And even then, emulation does not equal piracy. I emulate Breath of the Wild on PC and bought two copies, one for my Wii U and one for my Switch. But by all means, equivocate it however you want.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Only the top tier PS plan at $18 US/mth gets access to Sony's old games. The basic and mid tier dont.
UPDATE: All-new PlayStation Plus launches in June with 700+ games and more value than ever
PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now come together; players can choose from three flexible options.
blog.playstation.com
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Only reason I could see them doing it is a nice lil PR moment and the number of people who bought games back then and are still actively using PSN is probably not that significant in the grand scheme of things.
near
Gold Member
You asked me to mention a game delisted that's lost forever. I mention Noby Noby Boy and you state you can pirate it. I'm not looking to derail this thread, but emulating a delisted game is piracy if you do not own it, which is the point that you were obviously making, otherwise you would've suggested to emulate our entire PS3 digital libraries to overcome the issue to begin with. Emulation in general is questionable, very few people that emulate abstain from emulating games they don't own. The discussion here is that these digital storefront, specially Sony in this case, care little about honouring your digital purchases, in a way that compliments game preservation.
Kuranghi
Member
I'm such a fanny because when I got a PS4 I forgot I even had the PSN account from my PS3 (I dont play online and never really bought anything digitally for the PS3) and just made a new one, so lost access to my few PSN classics.
I could do two accounts on the PS5 but if I was going to replay MGS 1 I'd just emulate them anyway.
I could do two accounts on the PS5 but if I was going to replay MGS 1 I'd just emulate them anyway.
fart town usa
Gold Member
I don't think any of the PS3 store purchases could transfer to the PS4 so you didn't hurt yourself too bad by making a 2nd PSN account.
Unless I'm wrong... If that's the case, then consider me a fanny too, lol.
Krappadizzle
Member
If you can't buy the game...Like at all. Why do you care about supporting the developers of said game and bemoan the issue of emulation? It's like a "won't someone think about the billion dollar company?" situation. If they don't care enough to sell you the game, one that's delisted, why would you have qualms about emulating said game that you already own? It's makes no sense to me.
When people like me said, backwards compatibility should be a standard, we'd get so much push back from people, "I don't want to play old games, It's a useless feature, etc..." and then we get threads like this. If BC was a standard, it wouldn't be an issue. And until these billion dollar companies get their shit together and offer it or get pushback from their communities, you just have to take what they give you. OR you can take it in your own hands and do whatever the hell you want with the games you bought.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
1) Physical media is far from permanent, in particular the CDs and DVDs of the PS1/2 era, but even Blu-Rays can still rot, they certainly can become unreadable from scratches. My games I purchased on Steam nearly 20 years ago will outlast any PS1 CD or PS2 DVD.
2) If you think the massively profitable storefront Steam is going anywhere, I don't know what to tell you.
3) I have yet to lose a single game from my Steam library. Something being gone from a storefront? What exactly do you think happens to physical games? Games removed from storefronts in general are still available to download. Physical games get discontinued, like almost all of them.. and many eventually become quite rare to find in good used condition for any reasonable price, let alone the hardware.. which also fails and becomes more scarce vs. a PC which will have the x86/x64 standard for eternity
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
PS+ Premium is the only tier that contains the old games. It is $17.99 a month. (you can also pay $120 a year, but either way that's a ton of money to access old games lol)
TheGodfather07
Member
Have sony themselves said anything about being able to download classic games individually? I shouldn't have to subscribe to a service every month if i only want to play a certain game. Just let me buy it instead like how it was on PS3.
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near
Gold Member
First of all you're taking a point I made out of context and creating a discussion around it.
"You've got it backwards. So long as there is DRM, online authentication requirements, Steam is not future-proof. Physical media is, as long as you have the hardware to run it. Furthermore, digital games vanish from storefronts all the time and are lost forever, until they're republished. "
This point I made was in regard to how future-proof digital storefronts are as opposed to physical media. To which I pointed out that digital games are often removed from stores and are no longer purchasable, e.g. Noby Noby Boy which is lost to time if you never owned this.
This is a completely different topic to the point I made, and I have no real opinion on it if I'm being honest. I was talking about the idea of being able to purchase a game and supporting a developer I want to support in general.
PropellerEar
Member
Free???
Hold on now
Hold on now
Captain Toad
Banned
When have they ever not?
nikolino840
Member
Are subscription exclusives so no
Trogdor1123
Member
It doesn’t actually say exactly that. It says that 340 are included in the tier. While I totally think you are right, I’m choosing to believe it might be different… but it probably won’t sadlyOnly the top tier PS plan at $18 US/mth gets access to Sony's old games. The basic and mid tier dont.
UPDATE: All-new PlayStation Plus launches in June with 700+ games and more value than ever
PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now come together; players can choose from three flexible options.
Trogdor1123
Member
Have they even given a single interview in this service?
synchronicity
Member
When it comes to making money, business will do whatever they can get away with. That's all you need to understand.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Like... we're honestly going to take the most expensive way of accessing that content and run with it?Only the top tier PS plan at $18 US/mth gets access to Sony's old games. The basic and mid tier dont.
UPDATE: All-new PlayStation Plus launches in June with 700+ games and more value than ever
PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now come together; players can choose from three flexible options.
I got 4 or 5 years of it for $60 each year by buying up on ps now. But ok, let's meet half way and at least go $120 for the year price which splits to $10 a month, which is the price 99.9% are likely to play once the service is up.
Am I off the mark here?
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Exactly, but that's where I was driving at. The normal customer is paying $10 a month really if they are interested in that content. No one would pay month after month and keep renewing really...
ChorizoPicozo
Member
da fuq? Sure bro
sainraja
Member
If they offer their back catalog Nintendo style, then it will be locked behind a subscription. If it's like PS2 on PS4 kind of deal, then we'll have to re-purchase and they'll have trophies (maybe) or they very well might honor previous purchases that were made via the store.
In the past, they have offered us PSN games without any extra charge from PS3 to PS4 so one can only hope — you all should remember the cross buy program they had, as long as a game existed on multiple platforms by Sony, you got it without paying extra; not every publisher was onboard BUT most of their own titles were available to us. Yes, they didn't do that with their AAA releases but during that time, we didn't really have that many that were released across and the ones that were, you did get a free upgrade. Not exactly the same but we didn't have to pay extra.
What kind of made it muddy this time was the price increase to $69.99 otherwise we probably would have gotten both versions for the cost of one.
In the past, they have offered us PSN games without any extra charge from PS3 to PS4 so one can only hope — you all should remember the cross buy program they had, as long as a game existed on multiple platforms by Sony, you got it without paying extra; not every publisher was onboard BUT most of their own titles were available to us. Yes, they didn't do that with their AAA releases but during that time, we didn't really have that many that were released across and the ones that were, you did get a free upgrade. Not exactly the same but we didn't have to pay extra.
What kind of made it muddy this time was the price increase to $69.99 otherwise we probably would have gotten both versions for the cost of one.
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ChuckeRearmed
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lol no The don't even honor PS4/PS5, much less something from the ancient past
The don't even honor PS4/PS5, much less something from the ancient past
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Okayyyy... why not just say "It's $120 a year" if you knew? lol
And the idea that most people pay yearly is hard for me to believe personally.
It does on pc and Xbox to a certain extent. Not fully though.
sainraja
Member
If you never bought anything digitally, how did you get the few PSN classics you lost?
There were PSN games that you could re-download on the PS4 (if a PS4 version existed).
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
"never really" essentially means "rarely" lol
sainraja
Member
I figured as much but I wanted to be absolutely sure. lol
yurinka
Member
Retail no, but the digital ones I think will be available to be purchased separatedly in the PS4 & PS5 stores in addition to be included in the sub. For the digital PSP & PS1 games that were available on PSP, Vita and PS3, all of them were crossbuy between PSP, Vita and PS3. So I assume now will be crossbuy between PSP, Vita, PS3, PS4 and PS5.
I assume that in the future they'd be able to sell them also on PC, mobile and future PS consoles. So ideally games would be crossbuy across all platforms.
I assume that in the future they'd be able to sell them also on PC, mobile and future PS consoles. So ideally games would be crossbuy across all platforms.
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Craig of War
Banned
This is how you set yourself for disappointment and future ranting because things didn't go accordingly to your assumptions.
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
I have a friend who collects physical games to prepare when digital stores close down.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
You wanted subscription services and now we’re getting them. MS forced Sonys hand to do this nonsense by paywalling the classic games. If they give you the ability to pay for then individually I will honestly be surprised.
My backlog of games is ridiculous that I don’t even need to worry about this until well after the new tiers launch. Sure will be interesting though but you can bet Sony are going to milk us dry.
My backlog of games is ridiculous that I don’t even need to worry about this until well after the new tiers launch. Sure will be interesting though but you can bet Sony are going to milk us dry.
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
No, they will only be available in the subscription. Exactly like what Nintendo is doing.
TheDreadLord
Member
Microsoft didn’t force Sony to do the way they will do. You can still buy any game on GamePass, including OG Xbox and 360.
EDMIX
Member
Unlikely, but it sorta like expecting a free copy of a VHS cause you bought the DVD or something weird like that. Even for digital, when a platform changes or a new versions comes out, generally...most times they are not giving out the last version for free outside of a few times I've seen that, Bioshock, Skyrim etc
Keep in mind, this whole "Will Sony Honor" I don't even know if Sony has a final say on that shit, a lot of those games are not Sony's, they can't just force a publisher to have their old titles on a different platform or something, so a better question could be if Sony's own titles will go for free if you own em on PSN or something as they can control that themselves and I think it would be a solid good will gesture to allow those copies on PSN from PS3, PS4 to transfer over for Sony published titles as I don't even think anything is happening with those versions other then the same ports we got before or something.
Keep in mind, this whole "Will Sony Honor" I don't even know if Sony has a final say on that shit, a lot of those games are not Sony's, they can't just force a publisher to have their old titles on a different platform or something, so a better question could be if Sony's own titles will go for free if you own em on PSN or something as they can control that themselves and I think it would be a solid good will gesture to allow those copies on PSN from PS3, PS4 to transfer over for Sony published titles as I don't even think anything is happening with those versions other then the same ports we got before or something.
sachos
Member
Sadly i dont think so, i dont even think they will give us the option to buy the games individually. I also wonder if they will enhance the games at all. I've been playing Tenchu 2 with DuckStation on my i3 4170 GTX 960 in 4K and with fixed texture/polygon warpping and it looks really cool, the PS5 is more than capable of doing it.
I think if they wanted to offer any of these options they would already have mentioned it, its really disappointing.
I think if they wanted to offer any of these options they would already have mentioned it, its really disappointing.
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