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The Lords of The Rings: Rings of Power Official Teaser Trailer

10mil views and 70k likes, can you imagine the dislikes this video received?

I don't know who this youtuber is but why does his video have more likes on less than a tenth of the views?


Why is Dr Strange exploding with tens of millions of views and millions of likes while the biggest LOTR product which had a week-long marketing push has a paltry number of likes and less than half its views?
I don't think this landed the way they thought it would lol
 
“We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.”

Oh boy

 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I don't get how a book series you aren't even adapting and it's APPENDICES are worth a quarter BILLION. This whole deal feels more like a money laundering scheme than a legit project.

They could have launched lke 3-4 other tent pole shows for the price of this.
 

sol_bad

Member
In all seriousness, I'd love to read your feedback if you guys do end up watching it.


If there's references to The Silmarillion, then that changes everything. I'd check that out.

IN the live watch party thing they said they don't have the licensed to the Silmarilion.
 

The_hunter

Member
I don't know who this youtuber is but why does his video have more likes on less than a tenth of the views?


Why is Dr Strange exploding with tens of millions of views and millions of likes while the biggest LOTR product which had a week-long marketing push has a paltry number of likes and less than half its views?
I don't think this landed the way they thought it would lol

That video puts it perfectly, they changed lord of the rings to be in-line with modern culture, but the lord of the rings was written in a different era, with a different culture.
 

NecrosaroIII

Ask me about my terrible takes on Star Trek characters
I don't get how a book series you aren't even adapting and it's APPENDICES are worth a quarter BILLION. This whole deal feels more like a money laundering scheme than a legit project.

They could have launched lke 3-4 other tent pole shows for the price of this.
LotR appendices are pretty robust. But yeah most of the details on the second age are from Unfinished Tales. Silmarillion has a cliff notes version but it's basically what is said in LotR appendices
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
I don't get how a book series you aren't even adapting and it's APPENDICES are worth a quarter BILLION. This whole deal feels more like a money laundering scheme than a legit project.

They could have launched lke 3-4 other tent pole shows for the price of this.
This book series is the most influential and arguably still the best fantasy series 60 years later. Also the world building is unmatched, while at the same time leaving a lot of space for new developments.

Tolkien is like Patek Philippe for watches - other series do tiny parts better than LotR, but nothing comes closer to the holistic ideal than Tolkien.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Oh boy


“We took all these little clues and thought of them as stars in the sky that we then connected to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote about the Second Age,”

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Tams

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Looks great.

Man off topic doesn’t like anything lol
Lol, it's not just here that hates it.

And it looks utterly uninspired and bad for what it cost. And that's not going into the showrunners spooning their politics into it.
 
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Didn't like the trailer. That YouTube guy covers a lot of it. I'm not super invested in LOTR stuff. Loved the PJ LOTR, hated The Hobbit, bailed before I finished the first movie, never to return.

On the book side I enjoyed The Hobbit for what it was when I was young, and bailed on Fellowship both times I tried it within about 200 pages... just seemed tedious.

I'm more of a sci-fi guy, so I was hit harder by what's become of Star Trek and Star Wars... but I kind of wish they left well-enough alone rather than drag the LOTR fanbase through what they're about to endure.
 

Darryl

Banned
Amazon is the perfect example that you can't buy success. Doesn't matter how much money they put into it, it's still soulless.
We are beginning to understand why Shippey had to go.

it needed an author telling a story, and then script writers to translate it into film. there aren't even that many authors capable of writing something as epic as this, and the one with the strongest pedigree is working for hbo
 

Batiman

Banned
Lol, it's not just here that hates it.

And it looks utterly uninspired and bad for what it cost. And that's not going into the showrunners spooning their politics into it.
Every trailer thread announcement or whatever is constantly shit on. I’m trying to think of what didn’t get that treatment here? Dune is like the one thing I seen overly positive I’m off topic.
 
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What, Exactly, Is the Source Material Here?


So what did Amazon buy? “We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.” That takes a huge chunk of lore off the table and has left Tolkien fans wondering how this duo plans to tell a Second Age story without access to those materials. “There’s a version of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to,” McKay says. “As long as we’re painting within those lines and not egregiously contradicting something we don’t have the rights to, there’s a lot of leeway and room to dramatize and tell some of the best stories that [Tolkien] ever came up with.”

“We took all these little clues and thought of them as stars in the sky that we then connected to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote about the Second Age,” Payne says. The duo cites songs like “The Fall of Gil-galad” (you can hear actor Bill Nighy sing it here from a 1981 BBC Radio adaptation) or “The Song of Eärendil” or Fellowship chapters like “The Council of Elrond” and “The Shadow of the Past” or the “Concerning Hobbits” section of the prologue as sources for significant lore dumps. Beyond the premiere, there aren’t, however, any significant time jumps or, thus far, episode-long journeys to the past. The rights to the First Age material from The Silmarillion are still owned by the Tolkien estate.

“We worked in conjunction with world-renowned Tolkien scholars and the Tolkien estate to make sure that the ways we connected the dots were Tolkienian and gelled with the experts’ and the estate’s understanding of the material,” Payne says.

Did Vanity Fair Make an Error in Calling the Dwarven Prince “Durin IV”?

Nope! The red-bearded Owain Arthur, photographed in Vanity Fair’s deep dive into The Rings of Power, is Prince Durin IV. But, Tolkien scholars will cry out, it was Durin III who was given one of the rings of power by Sauron! Yes, King Durin III is also in the show and he’s portrayed by someone who knows something about playing a bad dad. In Tolkien’s works, Durin III and Durin IV are not father and son, and the title of Durin is more complicated than just a name, but remember that McKay and Payne are compacting thousands of years of Tolkien’s Second Age down into one shortened timeline.

What’s the Deal With This Elf-and-Human Romance?

Tolkien fans may still be scratching their heads over the interspecies love triangle in The Hobbit trilogy between Legolas, Tauriel the elf, and Killi the dwarf. It was an invention of Peter Jackson’s and an effort to add romance to the (almost) entirely romance-less story of The Hobbit. But forbidden romances across cultures, though rare in the Middle-earth record, are of particular fascination to Tolkien. Two of his most famous lovers—Beren and Lúthien as well as Aragorn and Arwen—are human-elf pairings that crossed boundaries and defied conventions to be with each other. (On Tolkien’s gravestone the name “Lúthien” is inscribed under his wife’s and “Beren” under his own.) You could argue that the rarity of these love stories, along with the lesser-known one between Andreth and Aegnor, is what makes them special, but these pairings speak to Tolkien’s core preoccupation with mortality. Who gets to live forever, who doesn’t, and what would you give up to be with someone you love? So though the spark between Ismael Cruz Córdova’s elf Arondir, and Nazanin Boniadi’s human Bronwyn does not dominate season one’s plot, it’s a way for McKay and Payne to engage with a story that Tolkien himself found compelling.

This Sounds Like a Lot of Made-Up Story! What of Tolkien’s Can One Expect?

The truth is, it’s all here. “We told Amazon we wanted to do four or five stories that are the big epics of the Second Age,” McKay says, starting with “the forging of the rings.” At the center of that origin is the famed elven smith Celebrimbor (Charles Edwards) and Aramayos’s younger Elrond. In Eregion, Elrond is working to rebuild damaged alliances with the dwarves, including with his old friend, Prince Durin IV. “We’re going back thousands of years to when the party was in full swing,” McKay says. “We’re going to see the elf capital of Lindon where Elrond is a young up-and-coming operator within the political scene of the high elves during their glory day.” Lindon, with its golden autumn leaves and rocky shores, allowed Payne and McKay to expand on the beautiful New Zealand vistas Jackson captured for his film. “We wanted to go to coastlines,” McKay says. “You’ve never seen the coastline of Middle-earth onscreen before.”

As for reconciling the idea of a young Elrond eager to make alliances with the closed-off version Hugo Weaving played in the Jackson films, Payne says that’s just part of the journey: “Elrond, we know from the Third Age, has a pretty bleak view on humans. He says, ‘Men are weak’ because he’s seen the foibles of humankind. In some ways the Third Age is almost postapocalyptic Middle-earth. The elves have one foot out the door…. We’re going to watch as Elrond goes from optimistic to a bit more world-weary.”
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The second big story on McKay and Payne’s agenda is “the rise of Sauron himself, when he was a physical villain,” says McKay. No word yet on who might be playing the Dark Lord in his younger, more seductive phase. (Yes, Sauron, the flaming eyeball, was once canonically hot, or in the words of Tolkien himself, “fair to the eyes of Men.”) He may be hiding in plain sight or he may be yet to come, but Galadriel’s search for him takes her, and eventually the strange human she’s encountered, Halbrand (Charlie Vickers), all over the map.

“If they do it right, it’s the Easter egg phenomenon that people really like with this kind of stuff,” Tolkien scholar Michael Drout says. “It’s going to be to see place X or place Y more than person X or Y.”

Speaking of maps, when Amazon’s official Lord of the Rings social accounts made their first announcement, they created waves across the Tolkien fandom by posting an image of Middle-earth with a star-shaped island called Númenor. This, Payne says, is the third story on their list: “the rise and fall of the island kingdom of Númenor.” (Emphasis on the fall.) Tolkien’s version of Atlantis is ruled by Aragorn’s ancestors, mortals with an extended life span that are far more advanced and powerful than those who dwell on the mainland of Middle-earth.

Tolkien scholars will know that complicated clashes over succession to the Númenorian throne between characters Tar-Míriel and Ar-Pharazôn, the island’s last king, will allow Payne and McKay to explore the kind of dangerous palace intrigue that made the best of Game of Thrones so compelling. One of the characters we’ll follow from this oceanic realm will be Isildur (played by Maxim Baldry), a young sailor who one day becomes the warrior who slices the One Ring from Sauron’s hand, only to succumb to the artifact’s power himself. (This isn’t a spoiler. It’s literally the set-up for The Lord of the Rings.) “You meet Isildur and he’s like Michael Corleone,” McKay says. “He’s the young member of the family who has optimism and immaturity. Trace that guy to the tragic, final decision rather than the mistake of a fool.” His temptation, and his relationship with his father, Elendil, is all part of the final story on the list: the Last Alliance of Elves and Men.

All of those stories will unfold over the course of several seasons, but the first season, McKay says, is all about the heroes: “We didn’t want to do a villain-centric thing. We wanted it to be about introducing these worlds and the peoples who dwell in them and the major heroes and characters, some of whom you know, and some of whom are new. Season two we go a little bit deeper into the lore and the stories people have been waiting to hear.”

What’s Up With Warrior Galadriel? Is This in the Books?

Over the years, Tolkien adapters have had to get creative in order to include his female characters in the action. Liv Tyler’s Arwen making a riverbank stand against the Nazgul in defense of Frodo and the very existence of Evangeline Lilly’s warrior elf, Tauriel? All invented by Peter Jackson. But Eowyn’s “but no living man am I!” showdown with the witch-king of Angmar in The Return of the King is straight out of the books and shows that Tolkien was at least somewhat interested in women who pick up swords. As does his description of Galadriel during the many thousand years of her long youth. Tolkien claimed young Galadriel could match strength with most male counterparts, and in a 1973 letter, wrote, “She was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats.” This is how she got her name, Galadriel, which means “maiden crowned with gleaming hair.” In The Unfinished Tales it says, “[Galadriel] looked upon the Dwarves also with the eye of a commander, seeing in them the finest warriors to pit against the Orcs.”

“She’s full of piss and vinegar and she’s got a sword that’s broken because she’s killed so many orcs,” McKay says of their version. “This young hot-headed Galadriel…how did she ever become that elder stateswoman?” What’s more important than Galadriel’s armor and weaponry is the turmoil of emotions we see raging inside her, having already survived multiple attacks by Sauron and his predecessor, Morgoth, and losing her brothers in the process. This internal conflict still lingers in the striking Fellowship of the Ring sequence where, tempted by the One Ring, a booming Cate Blanchett goes photo-negative. Tolkien writes her this speech: “In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”

The Rings of Power makes a direct nod toward this moment when, as Galadriel first meets the human character Halbrand, he says a line that echoes what Tolkien had her say to Frodo: “The tides of fate are flowing.” In or out, Halbrand wonders. In the History of Middle-earth, Tolkien describes the One Ring as “all that Galadriel had desired in her youth.” She has a lifelong flirtation with the darkness inside of her, and even in her later years she remains one of the few people Sauron fears. It’s what makes her much more complex than a simple and serene lady of the woods. If you want to know if Morfydd Clark is capable of matching Blanchett’s terrifying turn, check out her blissfully unhinged performance in the horror film Saint Maud.

Galadriel is "full of piss and vinegar" in the "many thousand years of her long youth."
 

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Galadriel is "full of piss and vinegar" in the "many thousand years of her long youth."

How can it be damage control when it was obviously a multi-article exclusivity deal that Vanity Fair no doubt paid for the coincide with the release of the trailer. The articles would have been pre-written prior to the trailer drop and scheduled to release on specific days.

People are wanting to know various things about this show and the article answers some of the prominent questions people have. Whether individuals like the answers though is up to them.
 
“She’s full of piss and vinegar and she’s got a sword that’s broken because she’s killed so many orcs,” McKay says of their version. “This young hot-headed Galadriel…how did she ever become that elder stateswoman?” What’s more important than Galadriel’s armor and weaponry is the turmoil of emotions we see raging inside her, having already survived multiple attacks by Sauron and his predecessor, Morgoth, and losing her brothers in the process. This internal conflict still lingers in the striking Fellowship of the Ring sequence where, tempted by the One Ring, a booming Cate Blanchett goes photo-negative. Tolkien writes her this speech: “In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”

That doesn't even make sense. Galadriel had a strong wish to rule over her own domain, that's why she left the immortal lands and went to Middle-Earth. She also wanted to go after Fëanor who was responsible for the Kinslaying:

Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could.

Galadriel wanted her own kingdom and the one ring would have given her the opportunity to expand her realm. She could even have defeated Sauron, but in turn it would have turned her into another terrible tyrant. That is the meaning of that quote. Galadriel was already a "stateswoman" when she came to Middle-Earth, it's the main reason why she went there in the first place.

Also, binding your hair up in order to do sports as a child, doesn't make you a sword-wielding full-plate wearing teenage warrior "full of piss and vinegar". That description totally clashes with Galadriel's quest to break the curse of Mandos. Even though she didn't partake in the rebellion and actively fought against Fëanor during the Kinslaying, she fell under the curse when she left without permission:

At the time of her Lament in Lórien she believed this [Curse on her] to be perennial, as long as the Earth endured. Hence she concludes her lament with a wish or prayer that Frodo may as a special grace be granted a purgatorial (but not penal) sojourn in Eressëa, the solitary isle in sight of Aman, though for her the way is closed. Her prayer was granted - but also her personal ban was lifted, in reward for her services against Sauron, and above all for her rejection of the temptation to take the Ring when offered to her.

If anything, her life was marked not by the slaying of orcs but witnessing her own people kill their own.
 

AJUMP23

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The second big story on McKay and Payne’s agenda is “the rise of Sauron himself, when he was a physical villain,” says McKay. No word yet on who might be playing the Dark Lord in his younger, more seductive phase. (Yes, Sauron, the flaming eyeball, was once canonically hot, or in the words of Tolkien himself, “fair to the eyes of Men.”) He may be hiding in plain sight or he may be yet to come, but Galadriel’s search for him takes her, and eventually the strange human she’s encountered, Halbrand (Charlie Vickers), all over the map.

I like this bit, because evil needs to be pleasant and seductive and appealing. People are trapped by it before they realize the seduction is really there to destroy them.
 

Mistake

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10mil views and 70k likes, can you imagine the dislikes this video received?

I don't know who this youtuber is but why does his video have more likes on less than a tenth of the views?


Why is Dr Strange exploding with tens of millions of views and millions of likes while the biggest LOTR product which had a week-long marketing push has a paltry number of likes and less than half its views?
I don't think this landed the way they thought it would lol


I tried doing a search on YouTube for the trailer, and it was buried under tons of bad press. While the video currently has an 80k/46k ratio, those dislikes are only by people who share my browser extension, ones without it can’t be shown because youtube patched the open code. Still impressive. The writing is on the wall, and everyone knows it
 
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I like this bit, because evil needs to be pleasant and seductive and appealing. People are trapped by it before they realize the seduction is really there to destroy them.
>implying Halbrand is not Sauron
There's the cliffhanger for the first season.
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Galadriel is "full of piss and vinegar" in the "many thousand years of her long youth."
off, that is damage control. They knew people wouldn't like the romance and the warrior galadriel.
 

NecrosaroIII

Ask me about my terrible takes on Star Trek characters
We ain't really seen any orcs so far either!

I wonder if they'll go for the misunderstood angle with them explaining why they've always been shown as evil. :messenger_winking_tongue:

For what it's worth, this is a period of relative peace in Middle-earth. There shouldn't really be orcs running. They'd be licking their wounds hiding in the mountains. No one is trying to raise armies of them during this time.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
For what it's worth, this is a period of relative peace in Middle-earth. There shouldn't really be orcs running. They'd be licking their wounds hiding in the mountains. No one is trying to raise armies of them during this time.

Although you're correct and there aren't any massive armies of Orcs until late in the second age, I have a feeling this isn't going to stop the show runners.

No hobbits were mentioned during this period, but they've managed to shoe horn in hobbits into this show. They've even admitted that the events that happen in the second age that span thousands of years will be condensed into a few years.

I'll bet my dick that they cram orcs into the first season and give them a different point of view. Maybe a forbidden love triangle between an orc, hobbit and an elf that ends in a x-rated thresome on the slopes of Mt Doom.
 
I like this bit, because evil needs to be pleasant and seductive and appealing. People are trapped by it before they realize the seduction is really there to destroy them.

Honestly, I preferred Sauron as an abstract force of evil, that made him so much more scarier. Jackson was wise to portray him the way he did and resist the temptation of giving him a face. I know they want to tell the story of Celebrimbor and how he was corrupted by Sauron to craft the rings, but I'm not even sure if that particular narrative is a good fit for a TV series.

Peter Jackson was also smart to keep his movies mostly romance-less as it is not an important part of Tolkien's lore. It seems like Payne and McKay will go heavily on the romantic relationships as that is what regular audiences like. I'm absolutely not looking forward to seeing LOTR being turned into a soap opera.

>implying Halbrand is not Sauron
There's the cliffhanger for the first season.
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Doctor Strange 2 trailer has 30+M views with 1.5M likes

Rings of Power has 17M views with 82K likes

We can't see dislikes but we still can count the ratio, and I'm not saying DS2 trailer is good either
 

AJUMP23

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Honestly, I preferred Sauron as an abstract force of evil, that made him so much more scarier. Jackson was wise to portray him the way he did and resist the temptation of giving him a face. I know they want to tell the story of Celebrimbor and how he was corrupted by Sauron to craft the rings, but I'm not even sure if that particular narrative is a good fit for a TV series.

Peter Jackson was also smart to keep his movies mostly romance-less as it is not an important part of Tolkien's lore. It seems like Payne and McKay will go heavily on the romantic relationships as that is what regular audiences like. I'm absolutely not looking forward to seeing LOTR being turned into a soap opera.



"Look, I know what it takes to make a great show. This should not be that hard." - Jeff Bezos

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But the Silmarillion talks about Sauron as being in corporeal from. Jackson kept him as a presence because that is how he is in the books. He was formless, but if he got the one Ring back he would again take form.
 
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Tams

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Every trailer thread announcement or whatever is constantly shit on. I’m trying to think of what didn’t get that treatment here? Dune is like the one thing I seen overly positive I’m off topic.

Apart from the first poster being a muppet, people like it.


A lack of hate for Michael Bay.

off, that is damage control. They knew people wouldn't like the romance and the warrior galadriel.
They chose Vanity Fair to premier all this. Says it all really.

Time to already forget this exists as it shouldn't.
 

Kimahri

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I'm just really thankful it's looking more and more likely that that Amazon Conan show isn't happening anymore.

Just imagine how they'd turn him into a side character in his own show , regretting his toxic man ways.
 
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