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[apple_of_enlightenment]

PSVita released 2 years before PS4 and it had already bombed.

 

[Marvel14]

First you say it's tribalism, which exists since people are people and then you say "welcome to the modern world", it doesn't make sense. However, you actually gave me the answer, it's Nintendo fanboys wanting to win the "console war" and that's why you are pretending a cheap tablet device with an HDMI out is a home console. Really, nobody minds if Nintendo does well, the handheld market is basically a Nintendo handheld market and it's good for them to continue to dominate it. It's not a home console though, very different devices in that space.

Maybe learn to read? Tribalism from high tech leisure purchases is a feature of the modern world. And you completely ignored the main point of the discussion, streaming higher spec games that the Switch can't handle with its base hardware (and that won't work well with the mobile Internet a pure handheld would use on the go).

Well done you.

 

[ButchCat]

Now imagine how much higher that number would be if they had games.

 

[Azurro]

Maybe learn to read? Tribalism from high tech leisure purchases is a feature of the modern world. And you completely ignored the main point of the discussion, streaming higher spec games that the Switch can't handle with its base hardware (and that won't work well with the mobile Internet a pure handheld would use on the go).

Well done you.

Stop being so aggressive, it's just a videogame console, it's not healthy. You shouldn't be getting so angry for reading something as obvious as a handheld console being called a handheld console. Are you ok?

 

[MrA]

This is silly. It's a small self contained unit with a screen that you take along with you, it has a tablet chipset and a portable's level of power consumption. Just because it has detachable controllers and an HDMI out doesn't make it not a portable machine.

I don't get why this is such an insult for you guys. It is a portable console, that's literally what it is. Do you also get angry if someone points out water is clear?

Ok you were the one name calling, regardless answer this question what feature of a console is the switch missing?

 

[Marvel14]

Stop being so aggressive, it's just a videogame console, it's not healthy. You shouldn't be getting so angry for reading something as obvious as a handheld console being called a handheld console. Are you ok?

I'm fine. I'm not the one on a thread about a piece of electronics that lots of people love and value and that is a huge success calling it "a cheap tablet" and people who love it "Fanboys". I am also not the one refusing to engage with the fact that the Switch (as its name and reveal advert blatantly explain) goes from handheld to home console and back effortlessly...

More to the point then: how are you and what brings you here if not negative feelings?

 

[Azurro]

Ok you were the one name calling, regardless answer this question what feature of a console is the switch missing?

It's a self contained unit, with a screen, with a tablet chipset, has a battery, is light and you carry it around with you. I don't know how much more plain do I have to put this. You do know about market segments, don't you? A winch and a roof rail are not going to turn a Renault Twingo into a Jeep Cherokee, they are not meant to compete with each other because they don't serve the same needs.

I'm fine. I'm not the one on a thread about a piece of electronics that lots of people love and value and that is a huge success calling it "a cheap tablet" and people who love it "Fanboys". I am also not the one refusing to engage with the fact that the Switch (as its name and reveal advert blatantly explain) goes from handheld to home console and back effortlessly...

More to the point then: how are you and what brings you here if not negative feelings?

I only came here to say that it's great sales, I wonder if it will reach Nintendo DS sales. I just realised I was going to get flamed for calling a handheld a handheld by fanboys wanting to win a console war, which happened. You shouldn't be so aggressive about a handheld games console, it's just videogames, they shouldn't be such a big part of your persona.

 

[Marvel14]

It's a self contained unit, with a screen, with a tablet chipset, has a battery, is light and you carry it around with you. I don't know how much more plain do I have to put this. You do know about market segments, don't you? A winch and a roof rail are not going to turn a Renault Twingo into a Jeep Cherokee, they are not meant to compete with each other because they don't serve the same needs.



I only came here to say that it's great sales, I wonder if it will reach Nintendo DS sales. I just realised I was going to get flamed for calling a handheld a handheld by fanboys wanting to win a console war, which happened. You shouldn't be so aggressive about a handheld games console, it's just videogames, they shouldn't be such a big part of your persona.

You should meet GHG and Marty Mcfly. Both have also mastered the art of evading points that refute their views and gaslighting folk on their true intentions. Y'all should start a Thread Ninja school...am sure it would be very successful.

 

[watdaeff4]

This is silly. It's a small self contained unit with a screen that you take along with you, it has a tablet chipset and a portable's level of power consumption. Just because it has detachable controllers and an HDMI out doesn't make it not a portable machine.

I don't get why this is such an insult for you guys. It is a portable console, that's literally what it is. Do you also get angry if someone points out water is clear?

Yeah.

It's a portable console as you state.

Also one that you can play on a TV in your home like an xbox and playstation - thus it's a home console too.

It is what makes it great and why it deserves its sales numbers because it's great in both form factors.

 

[Interfectum]

This is silly. It's a small self contained unit with a screen that you take along with you, it has a tablet chipset and a portable's level of power consumption. Just because it has detachable controllers and an HDMI out doesn't make it not a portable machine.

I don't get why this is such an insult for you guys. It is a portable console, that's literally what it is. Do you also get angry if someone points out water is clear?

Seems like you are the one that's angry bro and you are incapable of understanding that Switch is both.

"bu bu bu hdmi out doesn't make it bu bu"

The system comes with a dock to plug your console directly into the TV, it comes with an attachment that you put your Switch joy cons on to make it a standard controller and the Switch hardware even knows when it's docked and ups the specs accordingly. Oh, and it's in the name too.

Say this to yourself over and over again: "It's not just a handheld, it's not just a console, it's both and that's okay."

 

[Soosa]

I own switch, ps5 and series x (+tons of old systems, I dont take sides).

And calling Switch family a "home console" is just not correct in any sense.

Is Vita home console, because they also sold vita TV? No.

Is psp home console, because they sold tv-out-dock for it? No.

would Switch lite be a home console, if it could output stuff with dock? No.

Is "normal" switch just a home console, because it is a handheld that is sold with a dock? no.


Switch is not a home console, it is a hybrid and it should start a new category of hybrids, plain and simple.

Then there is also switch lite, which is pure hand held, so switch family is definetly not a home console family.

Weird how people still claim that it is a home console (family), do they have some kind of agenda that their favourite system must "win" some imaginery console war or what?


Is series x/s a handheld, because you can stream the games from cloud to your phone/tablet?

Is ps4/5 a handheld because you can stream the games to your phone/vita?

Where is the line anymore?

Home console = system that is only used at home with tv = traditional consoles

Handheld = system that is used as a handheld, or have an ability to be used as a handheld = switch family

Or add just keep hybrids in separate group like it would be logical.


Now if the title would be "switch is the fastest selling gaming system", then it would be correct.

 

[Interfectum]

Is Vita home console, because they also sold vita TV? No.

Is psp home console, because they sold tv-out-dock for it? No.

Did the Vita or PSP come with a standard controller in the box? Do PSP and Vita games know when they are docked and the graphics / resolution / frames can change according to the developers specifications? No? Then it's not anywhere near the same thing.

You guys should really stop doing this to yourselves.

 

[Kataploom]

This is silly. It's a small self contained unit with a screen that you take along with you, it has a tablet chipset and a portable's level of power consumption. Just because it has detachable controllers and an HDMI out doesn't make it not a portable machine.

I don't get why this is such an insult for you guys. It is a portable console, that's literally what it is. Do you also get angry if someone points out water is clear?

It doesn't make it "not a portable", you're right, that's why it's a hybrid, it has features for portability and for "dockability", for example: It also has the possibility to play local multiplayer in a single console with different controllers, one could even make an argument that its screen is like a "portable TV" (when used as tabletop)... Even the Switch Lite has this feature.

Purposely ignoring one feature or thinking it's not relevant enough won't make it more a thing than the other, it's clear design to be whatever the user wants it to be, I rarely use it portable and even when I do I'll stop playing and dock it because I hate joycons when attached but I have a pro controller and joycons grip that I didn't have to buy separately because, you know, the system already takes care of that since its inception so for me it's an stationary console.

So yeah, it doesn't have to do with Switch selling 100M faster than any other console ever, but its design doesn't make it less relevant unles you want to make some mental gymnastic.

 

[Rykan]

Nobody is getting angry at you for calling it a handheld. You're just being corrected. The Switch is a hybrid console that has always been both a home console and a handheld console and trying to pigeon hole it into one or the other is foolish.

It's not "just" a handheld with an HDMI out. The Switch docked has far more performance than the Switch undocked. The controller is specifically designed so that it can be used as a handheld and as a home console. It even comes with a grip just for that.

There are several game releases including first party games that literally cannot be played in handheld mode.

"But it has tablet like components" So does the Ouya and so do all the retro - style consoles like the Snes mini or Playstation Mini. That doesn't make them handheld or portable systems. Obviously a hybrid console has to have specs that allow it to be played in handheld as well.

 

[Kataploom]

Did the Vita or PSP come with a standard controller in the box? Do PSP and Vita games know when they are docked and the graphics / resolution / frames can change according to the developers specifications? No? Then it's not anywhere near the same thing.

You guys should really stop doing this to yourselves.

PSP and Vita just had optional very niche and barely if ever used ways to play on TV and even when you connected them to the TV you just had the same portable experience on a different screen...

Switch is literally designed to take advantage of its hybrid nature to optimize the experience for TV and portable, you're not required to have another console to play local multiplayer nor are attached to a single pair of joycons or any controller, the console is made to customize the experience however you choose to play, people tends to forget that what makes it one thing or the other is the experience you get out of it and how it's designed for you to take advantage of it, not its inherent form factor alone.

 

[Azurro]

Yeah.

It's a portable console as you state.

Also one that you can play on a TV in your home like an xbox and playstation - thus it's a home console too.

It is what makes it great and why it deserves its sales numbers because it's great in both form factors.

It doesn't make it "not a portable", you're right, that's why it's a hybrid, it has features for portability and for "dockability", for example: It also has the possibility to play local multiplayer in a single console with different controllers, one could even make an argument that its screen is like a "portable TV" (when used as tabletop)... Even the Switch Lite has this feature.

Purposely ignoring one feature or thinking it's not relevant enough won't make it more a thing than the other, it's clear design to be whatever the user wants it to be, I rarely use it portable and even when I do I'll stop playing and dock it because I hate joycons when attached but I have a pro controller and joycons grip that I didn't have to buy separately because, you know, the system already takes care of that since its inception so for me it's an stationary console.

So yeah, it doesn't have to do with Switch selling 100M faster than any other console ever, but its design doesn't make it less relevant unles you want to make some mental gymnastic.

This is ridiculous, you guys are really desperate to say Nintendo won the console war, I don't understand why else there is this stupidity.

This is silly, upping the clocks 10% or whatever when docked doesn't change the fact it is still a handheld SoC with a very low performance. The switch doesn't stop being a cheap tablet SoC on a handheld console, with the appropriate performance of a cheap portable console just because it has an HDMI out, bluetooth and detachable controllers. A cat doesn't turn into a lion if you attach a mane on it (please don't do that to poor cats), they can't do the same things.

If it's a home console and you want to compare it to a PS4/PS5, it's an incredibly shit one. It's a good thing it's not, because it wasn't designed to be, it's not competing against home consoles. You guys should be happy Nintendo's market segment is alive and doing well instead of trying to pretend the console is something it's not designed to be.

 

[KingGhidorah]

I own switch, ps5 and series x (+tons of old systems, I dont take sides).

And calling Switch family a "home console" is just not correct in any sense.

Is Vita home console, because they also sold vita TV? No.

Is psp home console, because they sold tv-out-dock for it? No.

would Switch lite be a home console, if it could output stuff with dock? No.

Is "normal" switch just a home console, because it is a handheld that is sold with a dock? no.


Switch is not a home console, it is a hybrid and it should start a new category of hybrids, plain and simple.

Then there is also switch lite, which is pure hand held, so switch family is definetly not a home console family.

Weird how people still claim that it is a home console (family), do they have some kind of agenda that their favourite system must "win" some imaginery console war or what?


Is series x/s a handheld, because you can stream the games from cloud to your phone/tablet?

Is ps4/5 a handheld because you can stream the games to your phone/vita?

Where is the line anymore?

Home console = system that is only used at home with tv = traditional consoles

Handheld = system that is used as a handheld, or have an ability to be used as a handheld = switch family

Or add just keep hybrids in separate group like it would be logical.


Now if the title would be "switch is the fastest selling gaming system", then it would be correct.

there's nothing wrong with the thread title

Switch is a home console

 

[Mozza]

Its cheap, portable and advertises to parents of little kids. Of course it sells amazing.

Yet pretty much 90% of the adverts featured an older demographic, sure there are kids in some adverts, but pretty sure Nintendo are trying to appeal to a much wider audience.

 

[Mozza]

Covid and the other consoles not being available really helped the Switch.

Everyone knows this is true.

Yes that must be the reason, although not sure what happened before covid and the lack of the newer consoles.

 

[Kataploom]

This is ridiculous, you guys are really desperate to say Nintendo won the console war, I don't understand why else there is this stupidity.

This is silly, upping the clocks 10% or whatever when docked doesn't change the fact it is still a handheld SoC with a very low performance. The switch doesn't stop being a cheap tablet SoC on a handheld console, with the appropriate performance of a cheap portable console just because it has an HDMI out, bluetooth and detachable controllers. A cat doesn't turn into a lion if you attach a mane on it (please don't do that to poor cats), they can't do the same things.

If it's a home console and you want to compare it to a PS4/PS5, it's an incredibly shit one. It's a good thing it's not, because it wasn't designed to be, it's not competing against home consoles.

Can't be "desperate" (lol) I don't care about Nintendo "winning"... I'm not into that shit, I'm actually very happy to see all three having a spot in the industry that seems to not harm the other's.

100 Millions is a very high mark and I'm happy for Nintendo to have reached that after the Wii U but I'm not celebrating shit because it's literally not my business.

I also don't care so much about it being portable or not because that's only a distinction made in english, everywhere else it's just a "game device" or "whatever that plays videogames", literally haven't seen this weird argument being had in spanish and I'm totally sure I won't see it in Japanese neither.

Switch is the fastest selling console of all time to reach 100 M, I don't see anything bad in it, be it portable, stationary or hybrid it doesn't matter at all, but we can clearly see it adapts pretty well to anyone needs because it's designed to do so (I play 99.999999% of the time docked).

If anything "gamers" should be happy for this market to be this healthy, it gives anyone the opportunity to break records sooner or later.

 

[ArtHands]

To be honest, Sony used to compete in the home console and handheld fronts.

This generation they decided to go solo, so we should compare with the sum of home consoles + handhelds from last generations. PS3 alone sold 88m units and PSP around 80m units, so PS4 should sell around 168m units to surpass the sucess of that generation. 117m units it's not impressive considering all the installed base from previous generations.

Unfortunately PS4 failed to meet the sales of PS3 and PSP. PS4 sales isn't impressive when you consider that

 

[Marvel14]

This is ridiculous, you guys are really desperate to say Nintendo won the console war, I don't understand why else there is this stupidity.

This is silly, upping the clocks 10% or whatever when docked doesn't change the fact it is still a handheld SoC with a very low performance. The switch doesn't stop being a cheap tablet SoC on a handheld console, with the appropriate performance of a cheap portable console just because it has an HDMI out, bluetooth and detachable controllers. A cat doesn't turn into a lion if you attach a mane on it (please don't do that to poor cats), they can't do the same things.

If it's a home console and you want to compare it to a PS4/PS5, it's an incredibly shit one. It's a good thing it's not, because it wasn't designed to be, it's not competing against home consoles. You guys should be happy Nintendo's market segment is alive and doing well instead of trying to pretend the console is something it's not designed to be.

Mr " I only came here to say that it's great sales, I wonder if it will reach Nintendo DS sales." meets Mr " it's an incredibly shit one...you fanboys of a cheap tablet".

Ladies and gentlemen!

Don't forget to tip your waiter.

 

[lastmessiah]

If you want to play the "Switch is only a handheld" game, let's compare Switch sales to PSP and PSV. Whoops, maybe let's not do that unless you can stomach total bloody carnage.

 

[Azurro]

If you want to play the "Switch is only a handheld" game, let's compare Switch sales to PSP and PSV. Whoops, maybe let's not do that unless you can stomach total bloody carnage.

Well yeah, Nintendo has always been very dominant in this segment, to the point where no one else is willing to give it a go after the Vita and devs that don't target it just stick to the mobile market. I don't see how that's controversial.

Mr " I only came here to say that it's great sales, I wonder if it will reach Nintendo DS sales." meets Mr " it's an incredibly shit one...you fanboys of a cheap tablet".

Ladies and gentlemen!

Don't forget to tip your waiter.

I did come to say they were great sales, it's you guys that are fighting tooth and nails over the status of a handheld. I'm not sure how what I said is an insult either, nor why you take it so personal, Nintendo has always sold cheaply made devices to reach lower price points to then invest in very good software for its ecosystem.

 

[Interfectum]

This is ridiculous, you guys are really desperate to say Nintendo won the console war, I don't understand why else there is this stupidity.

This is silly, upping the clocks 10% or whatever when docked doesn't change the fact it is still a handheld SoC with a very low performance. The switch doesn't stop being a cheap tablet SoC on a handheld console, with the appropriate performance of a cheap portable console just because it has an HDMI out, bluetooth and detachable controllers. A cat doesn't turn into a lion if you attach a mane on it (please don't do that to poor cats), they can't do the same things.

If it's a home console and you want to compare it to a PS4/PS5, it's an incredibly shit one. It's a good thing it's not, because it wasn't designed to be, it's not competing against home consoles. You guys should be happy Nintendo's market segment is alive and doing well instead of trying to pretend the console is something it's not designed to be.

Keep up the good fight console warrior.

 

[Marvel14]

Keep up the good fight console warrior.

Azurro

 

[BusierDonkey]

it's you guys that are fighting tooth and nails over the status of a handheld.

 

[watdaeff4]

This is ridiculous, you guys are really desperate to say Nintendo won the console war, I don't understand why else there is this stupidity.

This is silly, upping the clocks 10% or whatever when docked doesn't change the fact it is still a handheld SoC with a very low performance. The switch doesn't stop being a cheap tablet SoC on a handheld console, with the appropriate performance of a cheap portable console just because it has an HDMI out, bluetooth and detachable controllers. A cat doesn't turn into a lion if you attach a mane on it (please don't do that to poor cats), they can't do the same things.

If it's a home console and you want to compare it to a PS4/PS5, it's an incredibly shit one. It's a good thing it's not, because it wasn't designed to be, it's not competing against home consoles. You guys should be happy Nintendo's market segment is alive and doing well instead of trying to pretend the console is something it's not designed to be.

Nah that’s the thing

I like the PS4/5 better personally than the Switch.

I’m just not so angry like you are that I can’t see facts for what they are for…..and that the Switch can also be considered a home console


Don’t worry about it - you will be fine

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

If you want to play the "Switch is only a handheld" game, let's compare Switch sales to PSP and PSV. Whoops, maybe let's not do that unless you can stomach total bloody carnage.

Ok it's proper and we can compare it to the DS,3DS etc.

 

[Mozza]

The demand for SteamDeck was through the roof it sold out in minutes. People are foolish to underestimate it.

You must be trolling at this point, the Steam Deck is an awesome piece of kit, but will only ever sell niche numbers, there are multiple P.C handheld devices on the market already.

 

[Azurro]

Keep up the good fight console warrior.

This is a discussion board right? You guys were asking me, I just replied.

Nah that’s the thing

I like the PS4/5 better personally than the Switch.

I’m just not so angry like you are that I can’t see facts for what they are for…..and that the Switch can also be considered a home console


Don’t worry about it - you will be fine

I was talking about the performance in relation to PS4/PS5, not in terms of library. You know, about the accusations of being angry, those usually happen when a person is losing a debate and resorts to insulting the person with the opposite point of view because they don't have a proper retort.

 

[Mozza]

You gotta love when people use anecdotal and/or personal experience as proof of anything. What a world.

Also, being closer to the end of that chart (46) than the beginning really makes me feel my age.

Yes it's the most narrow customer catchment survey ever, my friends and myself do not like the Switch, so that means nobody else does.

 

[watdaeff4]

This is a discussion board right? You guys were asking me, I just replied.



I was talking about the performance in relation to PS4/PS5, not in terms of library. You know, about the accusations of being angry, those usually happen when a person is losing a debate and resorts to insulting the person with the opposite point of view because they don't have a proper retort.

Nah fam

I was talking about the Switch being considered a home console.

You seem shook. You don’t even know what points you think (but are failing) you’re making

It’s just a piece of plastic made by a company that doesn’t care about you. It’ll be fine. I’m sorry something so trivial has you triggered

Have a good day again it’ll be fine that the Switch is selling well as a home console

 

[Azurro]

Nah fam

I was talking about the Switch being considered a home console.

You seem shook. You don’t even know what points you think (but are failing) you’re making

It’s just a piece of plastic made by a company that doesn’t care about you. It’ll be fine. I’m sorry something so trivial has you triggered

Have a good day again it’ll be fine that the Switch is selling well as a home console

I'm confused, I don't know why you think I'm angry.

But you do you, I'm glad portables are still alive and the market is doing well.

 

[Woopah]

The DS didn't get left behind, if you know your gaming history, because it too had no viable portable competitor. Sony's overpriced half assed attempts don't really count (they never really put full software support behind them).

Well exactly, DS and PSP is a perfect example of why I'm right. Your original point was that a home console only Switch "would have been lucky to sell 20 million, it would have been massively underpowered vs it's direct competition". You also said "if you are massively underpowered you often get left behind". My counter argument is that power doesn't matter, games do.

DS was "massively underpowered vs it's direct competition" yet it did not get left behind and it outsold the competition. Same for the 3DS, same for the Wii. PS2 was also underpowered compared to its competitors, but its not as good an example as I wouldn't say it was massively underpowered.

The Wii would have sold like 1/3 of what it sold if not for the motion controls gimmick, which lost it's appeal pretty fast. Some of the "games" bought for the wii were amazing gems like Ninjabread Man, Smurfs Dance Party, Action Girlz Racing and Game Party. The attach rate was high, but look at the crap that was selling.

Yes Wii had some bad games released for it. But what does that have to do with its high software sales? Do you have sales figures for Smurfs Dance Party or Action Girlz Racing?

If Sony or MS launched a hybrid today, there are 2 very key differences from the past:

1: It's likely to be price competitive and have great hardware (better than it's competitor in switch - think something similar to steam deck - around 2 TF of performance + other system advantages)
2: It would launch with a crap ton of great software. Ports are super easy, the entire AAA lineup that exists for Xbox one/Series X/S would be there on launch day. New releases would launch with their console counter parts.
It would be backwards compatible with xbox one, xbox 360 and xbox games or on Sony's side PS4 games. This is much different than the past, since the architecture on the portables would be the same as current and last gen consoles, making ports 1000% easier.

That's true, but I don't think that would impact Switch too much (it would partially) since the games that would appear on these devices but not Switch are already not coming to Switch anyway. As you said, Switch sales are primarily driven by its first party lineup.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

Not really that impressive given Nintendo used to have a handheld and a console.

They had to merge those two businesses and if you merge Wii/DS sales they aren’t even close. So when they get to Wii/DS combined sales I’ll be impressed.

Reminder: that combined number is 257 million.

So the Switch is 45% there after 5 years.

I’m just tired of hearing Nintendo is doing better than ever. They sure as shit are not even close. They are probably still using that Wii and DS money and it’s what helped them survive the Wii U and 3DS disaster and then forced them to consolidate.

I miss cheap handheld games from Nintendo studios. Instead now a $39.99 game that would have been made for the 3DS like Kirby Star Allies is now $59.99 on a Switch instead.

Nintendo rips us off regularly. The OLED Switch being the most recent example. It’s $50 cheaper than a digital PS5 in the USA and used mobile chipsets that were outdated when the Switch released in 2017. The OLED is an ancient panel from Samsung that cost them nothing.

Also if we are going to call the Switch a console only then it is the worst console of all time. Great games. Horrible console and feature. Applying the console name does it no favour.

Amazing handheld tho!

 

[Woopah]

Not really that impressive given Nintendo used to have a handheld and a console.

They had to merge those two businesses and if you merge Wii/DS sales they aren’t even close. So when they get to Wii/DS combined sales I’ll be impressed.

Reminder: that combined number is 257 million.

So the Switch is 45% there after 5 years.

I’m just tired of hearing Nintendo is doing better than ever. They sure as shit are not even close. They are probably still using that Wii and DS money and it’s what helped them survive the Wii U and 3DS disaster and then forced them to consolidate.

I miss cheap handheld games from Nintendo studios. Instead now a $39.99 game that would have been made for the 3DS like Kirby Star Allies is now $59.99 on a Switch instead.

Nintendo rips us off regularly. The OLED Switch being the most recent example. It’s $50 cheaper than a digital PS5 in the USA and used mobile chipsets that were outdated when the Switch released in 2017. The OLED is an ancient panel from Samsung that cost them nothing.

Also if we are going to call the Switch a console only then it is the worst console of all time. Great games. Horrible console and feature. Applying the console name does it no favour.

Amazing handheld tho!

Nintendo is more profitable now than in the Wii/DS days. By the end Switch will probably by their 2nd best platform for hardware sales and best platform for software sales.

 

[THE DUCK]

Well exactly, DS and PSP is a perfect example of why I'm right. Your original point was that a home console only Switch "would have been lucky to sell 20 million, it would have been massively underpowered vs it's direct competition". You also said "if you are massively underpowered you often get left behind". My counter argument is that power doesn't matter, games do.

DS was "massively underpowered vs it's direct competition" yet it did not get left behind and it outsold the competition. Same for the 3DS, same for the Wii. PS2 was also underpowered compared to its competitors, but its not as good an example as I wouldn't say it was massively underpowered.


Yes Wii had some bad games released for it. But what does that have to do with its high software sales? Do you have sales figures for Smurfs Dance Party or Action Girlz Racing?


That's true, but I don't think that would impact Switch too much (it would partially) since the games that would appear on these devices but not Switch are already not coming to Switch anyway. As you said, Switch sales are primarily driven by its first party lineup.

I think your missing the point that they are two distinct and separate areas. The DS was not competing with anything really, nor was the 3DS. The wii wasn't either, it was fun novelty that went viral. Once you hit a true home console in the wii U, we see how that went, being massively underpowered and really offering nothing but just Nintendo exclusives. No usable gimic, and only a hardware disadvantage, and it was very clear that Nintendo Software alone would not drive sales. It wasn't until switch came out and offered a portable option could they once again succeed with weaker hardware.
And yes there are examples in each generation where hardware is somewhat weaker, however the differences are not as large as the switch vs current hardware.
My point on the wii games was that it was the gimmick that was driving the massive hardware sales, not the nintendo AAA. The fact that those garbage games even existed is fuel to that. (I know every system has some, but that was extraordinary considering these were actual retail releases and not e-games.)

I think you overestimate the size of the Nintendo faithful. There is a group of say 10-15 million gamers who love nintendo games that will buy whatever they put out. Then there is the general public, they go by trend, price, brand name. MS or Sony would sway these people by the millions.

 

[Mozza]

Not really that impressive given Nintendo used to have a handheld and a console.

They had to merge those two businesses and if you merge Wii/DS sales they aren’t even close. So when they get to Wii/DS combined sales I’ll be impressed.

Reminder: that combined number is 257 million.

So the Switch is 45% there after 5 years.

I’m just tired of hearing Nintendo is doing better than ever. They sure as shit are not even close. They are probably still using that Wii and DS money and it’s what helped them survive the Wii U and 3DS disaster and then forced them to consolidate.

I miss cheap handheld games from Nintendo studios. Instead now a $39.99 game that would have been made for the 3DS like Kirby Star Allies is now $59.99 on a Switch instead.

Nintendo rips us off regularly. The OLED Switch being the most recent example. It’s $50 cheaper than a digital PS5 in the USA and used mobile chipsets that were outdated when the Switch released in 2017. The OLED is an ancient panel from Samsung that cost them nothing.

Also if we are going to call the Switch a console only then it is the worst console of all time. Great games. Horrible console and feature. Applying the console name does it no favour.

Amazing handheld tho!

I wondered when we would get to the Switch being a sales failure because it has not emulated the success of the Wii and 3DS ( The almost constant moving of goalposts on here ) , which was a totally different situation as touch and motion controls were emerging new tech and pretty much lightning in a bottle, that captured the mass markets attention, but of course as cheaper tablet devices became available coupled with the lack of sustained interest in motion controls, these markets simply moved on, which led to the Wii generation and 3DS selling around 90 million consoles, so the Switch is a huge success.

 

[Mozza]

It's a self contained unit, with a screen, with a tablet chipset, has a battery, is light and you carry it around with you. I don't know how much more plain do I have to put this. You do know about market segments, don't you? A winch and a roof rail are not going to turn a Renault Twingo into a Jeep Cherokee, they are not meant to compete with each other because they don't serve the same needs.



I only came here to say that it's great sales, I wonder if it will reach Nintendo DS sales. I just realised I was going to get flamed for calling a handheld a handheld by fanboys wanting to win a console war, which happened. You shouldn't be so aggressive about a handheld games console, it's just videogames, they shouldn't be such a big part of your persona.

Yes we seem to have you all wrong, and as you say wondering if the console would get to the DS total was not trying to wind anybody up, as why would anyone get upset by you suggesting the Switch is a handheld when it's in fact a hybrid console, which is in effect both a home and handheld console.

 

[MrA]

It's a self contained unit, with a screen, with a tablet chipset, has a battery, is light and you carry it around with you. I don't know how much more plain do I have to put this. You do know about market segments, don't you? A winch and a roof rail are not going to turn a Renault Twingo into a Jeep Cherokee, they are not meant to compete with each other because they don't serve the same needs.



I only came here to say that it's great sales, I wonder if it will reach Nintendo DS sales. I just realised I was going to get flamed for calling a handheld a handheld by fanboys wanting to win a console war, which happened. You shouldn't be so aggressive about a handheld games console, it's just videogames, they shouldn't be such a big part of your persona.

You didn't answer my question
Chipset neither here nor there unless you believe the ps4 ps5 xbone and xsx aren't consoles but gimped pcs
Light, so?
screen and portability as a built in option? So they're options,
if the battery fails and the screen breaks a switch is still usable
Your analogy is non sense if Renault builds a car with all the features of an off road vehicle its an off road then it would be an offroad vehicle. Comparing it to using aftermarket parts is comparable to saying the ps5 is portable with a 4rd party screen and battery
A better analogy if a washing machine was built so it could also dry clothes in the same unit. It would still be a washing machine, it would just have more versatility than others
switch does everything a console should out of the box , it just has better versatility than the competitions 200 watt permanently tv tethered consoles, really other consoles are just lacking features the switch has out of the box
Unless you can answer my question
What feature should a console have the switch doesn't?

 

[Mozza]

You didn't answer my question
Chipset neither here nor there unless you believe the ps4 ps5 xbone and xsx aren't consoles but gimped pcs
Light, so?
screen and portability as a built in option? So they're options,
if the battery fails and the screen breaks a switch is still usable
Your analogy is non sense if Renault builds a car with all the features of an off road vehicle its an off road then it would be an offroad vehicle. Comparing it to using aftermarket parts is comparable to saying the ps5 is portable with a 4rd party screen and battery
A better analogy if a washing machine was built so it could also dry clothes in the same unit. It would still be a washing machine, it would just have more versatility than others
switch does everything a console should out of the box , it just has better versatility than the competitions 200 watt permanently tv tethered consoles, really other consoles are just lacking features the switch has out of the box
Unless you can answer my question
What feature should a console have the switch doesn't?

We all know the main reason some keep calling the Switch a handheld, they just do not like the idea a more modest powered console is selling so well, and therefore like to label it a handheld just in case it gets near or overtakes the PS2's total, and literally any Switch sales success thread have the same old tired goalpost moving arguments.

And also the ludicrous benchmarks set by some on here, basically suggesting if Nintendo do not get to the Wii/DS 250 million once in a lifetime figure it's not very impressive either, so by the same rational the PS3 and PS4 are total sales flops because they both sold less than the PS2, complete insanity.

 

[Mozza]

Usual suspects with their Negative spin Nintendo Switch bingo cards, please feel free to cross any of the following off.

It's a handheld console
Failed because it has not outsold the Wii/DS
I don't get it myself
It's not going to outsell the PS2 (or at least I hope it won't)
It has only sold well because of the global pandemic
Sales are about to fall of a cliff
The Switch is doomed now the Steam deck is out
It's finished now the PS5 and Series X are out
Well it would have been if you could actually buy a PS5 or Series X
There was still stock available at launch in my local area
People will not put up with the sub par graphics forever
Has no games
Great handheld for Wii U ports
The graphical gap will only increase as the generation continues
Needs a price cut
Dead if Nintendo do not release a pro version soon
The mass market will buy anything


Pretty sure that's most of it covered, but any additions would be most welcome.

 

[Bwahaha]

Not really that impressive given Nintendo used to have a handheld and a console.

They had to merge those two businesses and if you merge Wii/DS sales they aren’t even close. So when they get to Wii/DS combined sales I’ll be impressed.

Reminder: that combined number is 257 million.

So the Switch is 45% there after 5 years.

At what point do you maybe stop and think "hmm maybe I've set the bar a bit high" when you claim that to call it a success, Nintendo has to have a console selling 257 MILLION UNITS. Almost twice the current record holder.

Or all Xbox consoles ever sold, times two.

But I'm sure you're just as strict on Microsoft and Sony to be successful right?

Also

I’m just tired of hearing Nintendo is doing better than ever. They sure as shit are not even close. They are probably still using that Wii and DS money and it’s what helped them survive the Wii U and 3DS disaster and then forced them to consolidate.

Next time maybe research these things before you make hilariously wrong statements.

 

[ArtHands]

yah. I believe people are in the denial stage that Nintendo Switch is doing very well and exceeded everyone’s expectation.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

At what point do you maybe stop and think "hmm maybe I've set the bar a bit high" when you claim that to call it a success, Nintendo has to have a console selling 257 MILLION UNITS. Almost twice the current record holder.

Or all Xbox consoles ever sold, times two.

But I'm sure you're just as strict on Microsoft and Sony to be successful right?

Also

Next time maybe research these things before you make hilariously wrong statements.

But I did say that. They had to consolidate to survive. If they didn’t those numbers wouldn’t have gone back up.

And what was the second highest year? Oh yeah a Wii and DS year.

So you’re using literally a point that uses the same goal post and tell me not to do it too.

In the end it’s still way less PLAYERS. You cannot tell me the same number of people are using Nintendo machines than the Wii and DS days. That’s the metric for me. Players. People. Not money.

Yes they did it. By axing half their business and charging console game prices for games developed on the same budget as a 3DS game which would be $39.99 or less.

So yes it will make them more money especially when you have tons of ports and content already. Along with overcharging for games you would pay less for in the past.

 

[MaxwellParrish]

Are we gonna gets comments about how its "really not a console" ?

aren't they appropriate when in that number are also counted the sales of the Switch Lite, that is not even a hybrid, but a pure portable?

 

[Azurro]

You didn't answer my question
Chipset neither here nor there unless you believe the ps4 ps5 xbone and xsx aren't consoles but gimped pcs
Light, so?
screen and portability as a built in option? So they're options,
if the battery fails and the screen breaks a switch is still usable
Your analogy is non sense if Renault builds a car with all the features of an off road vehicle its an off road then it would be an offroad vehicle. Comparing it to using aftermarket parts is comparable to saying the ps5 is portable with a 4rd party screen and battery
A better analogy if a washing machine was built so it could also dry clothes in the same unit. It would still be a washing machine, it would just have more versatility than others
switch does everything a console should out of the box , it just has better versatility than the competitions 200 watt permanently tv tethered consoles, really other consoles are just lacking features the switch has out of the box
Unless you can answer my question
What feature should a console have the switch doesn't?

That's a dumb argument, it doesn't make sense to discount performance. PS4/PS5 and so on are consoles, they have the form factor, performance and power consumption expected of consoles. They have games developed for them with around the same level of performance as a current mid range PC.

A home console is also not a PC, it doesn't have the OS to do what you can on a PC (I'm actually coding at the moment, just taking a quick break to reply here), such as running arbitrary applications that are designed to run on the windows x86-64 platform, and perform tasks such as spread sheet editing, coding, video editing and so on. You can game on PCs but they have a lot more uses than just gaming, so your comparison is also not correct on that front.

A feature that the Switch is missing? Performance to run home console games. It has the performance of a cheap handheld because it's designed as a cheap handheld with a cheap SoC, cheap plastic body and a cheap screen. The switch is very much a tablet SoC with detachable controllers bolted on and an HDMI output, that's why the twingo with a winch comparison works. The switch simply doesn't do what a home console should do, it looks like shit on a big screen because the performance just isn't there, and doesn't even have the performance to get ports of slightly demanding home console games because it simply doesn't have the performance to run them. It's a handheld and it's meant to be a handheld.

Is a cellphone on a dock a home console?

 

[Chastten]

According to some of you the NES, SNES, PlayStation 1-4, Xbox, Xbox 360, MegaDrive and Dreamcast weren't consoles because their performance is, and I quote, 'shit'.

And apparently, the PS4 is a cheap plastic netbook that underperformed because it didn't do 250 million like the PS2/PSP combo did. Guess Sony will sell their PS business this wednesday. Doomed, I tell ya.

I love how you guys keep making shit up to invalid the Switch sales. Keep going, most entertaining thread in years.

 

[Thaedolus]

What a reduculous thread, it's not a regular console, half of the 70 million probably never get hooked to a tv, the other 30 million are switch lites - a portable gaming machine, not a console.

This always makes me laugh. Easily >90% of my time on Switch is docked, maybe >95%. It’s almost always for in person multiplayer gaming, or with my 3 year old cuddled up to me “helping” me play Mario. Only a tiny fraction of the time am I playing it as a portable. I can’t imagine this is terribly uncommon.