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Hideo Kojima’s deal with Xbox reaches key milestone

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Adam_802

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yurinka said:
If we assume that this game is real (which pretty likely doesn't, he's working in Death Stranding Director's Cut and happy with Sony and in addition to games wants to make an anime, a movie etc), he was supposed to pitch it to Sony and Stadia before to signing this supposed letter of intention with MS, which means PlayStation and Stadia were supposed to be able to do the game.

Exclusive or not, games on XCloud, PS Now or Stadia are basically normal console/PC games but instead of running on your local console or PC they are running on a console or PC located in a data center. They are normal games. They are very small markets, so it isn't profitable to put there games unless the dev already completed its sales cycle after discounts and so on, or unless getting a serious moneyhatting from the platform holder, case of the Stadia exclusive games or the games that debut day one on Gamepass/XCloud. So it's even less likely to see exclusive games there unless MS or Stadia funds them. Sony won't do it at least for a while because they have a super successful business selling new games and streaming them when old. But XCloud and Stadia will need exclusive games to make their services attractive and to compete with Sony, who is the one who makes more money with business and has the biggest catalog of streamed game exclusives.

There are games, mostly simulators, where their artists instead of drawing the environment art assets from scratch they use as a draft assets satellite info, like the one you get from Google Maps, to make them more 'realistic'. Google Maps and similar are stored in a cloud, but game isn't getting this info in real time: back when the artists were drawing the assets they used these photos as reference to draw their stuff, that's all.

Other games, they get in real time the day hour and the weather where you are located in the same way your phone get it from your weather app. This weather app, like any website is stored in a cloud. So the games have programmed different weater options and lighting depending on the hour, and instead of deciding using the game code the local weather and daytime they get it from this app (stuff like '18:23 - cloudy') and then the game renders the stuff locally as if this hour and weather would have been decided by the game.

Some flight simulator games instead of using their own air traffic programmed by their own, they get airplane locations of the real air traffic in real time from related apps or websites (so a cloud). So instead of setting these airplanes coordinates using the internal game logic, they get them from that app/website/cloud and then the game does everything locally like when these coordinates are set by the game.

This small info they get 'from the cloud' is pretty similar to when playing a multiplayer game and they receive stuff from other players: like info of where are they placed, in which direction are they looking at, what animation are they playing, if they have some recently shot flying bullet etc. They are only a few words and numbers, and then the games renders locally and applies the related IA locally.

These games (mostly driving or flying simulators) that use photogrametry or satellite data as reference to draw their game assets, or real time air traffic/road traffic to populate their 'levels', or real time weather or day time are normal PC and console games. They don't need to run on a cloud gaming service and don't need XCloud (it has the same feature set than their competition, some of who even performs better) or Azure (it has the same feature set than their competition, some of who even performs better) for nothing. If MS says other thing it's just PR bullshit like 'the power of the cloud' for Crackdown 3 and Mylo's miracle AI.
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lol did typing that wall of text make you feel any better?

Game is real and happening.
 
EverydayBeast

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thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
It took Kohima 1 year to make a name for himself, death stranding wasn’t even him trying and he still made a AAA game.
 
Punished Miku

Punished Miku

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yurinka said:
In this case, as usual, gaming press just copy pastes random news stuff from other outlets posted without verifying on their own. Often this rumor info has as source stuff posted on Twitter, reddit or even 4chan by random unknown or unreliable users who claim to be 'leakers' or 'insiders', but instead most of the time are just bored fanboys mading up stuff without proper insider info, like in this case Grub, an xbox fanboy who we saw lied many times when mentioning stuff that was going to be announced or shown in E3/summer.

Instead of leaking E3 stuff he was only guessing stuff like we did, and like us he got some predictions right and some wrong. So no, the only source claiming Kojima signed with MS is Grub, who isn't reliable. Kojima instead just announced a game for PlayStation Studios and tweets MGS1 PlayStation stuff and is 'planning' using a mouse pad that has a Hermen Hulst picture.

And if we have to believe Grub when are we supposed to believe him, back in the time when he said Kojima already signed the game with MS and was developing it or now when he says they only signed a (non-legally binding) letter of intention of developing a game for MS's platform which means they didn't even start developing the game? He's only an xbox fanboy lying and spreading fud.
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Usually when I see multiple outlets report it, and Schreir or Eurogamer report it, I figure it's probably true at that point. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think Eurogamer is usually pretty accurate with this kind of thing and really only publishes it when its confirmed (for them).
 
yurinka

yurinka

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Adam_802 said:
Game is real and happening.
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There are zero facts pointing to that, the facts we have point in the opposite direction: what Kojima announced, what he said about how covid impacted them, what posts on Twitter and what he mentioned in interviews he'd like to do in the future since they are the only ones who can offer him both the gaming and non-gaming projects he'd like to do.

driqe said:
Jeff Grubb said nobody knows what type of game it is yet. It's also not the rumored canceled Stadia game.
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Stadia said they never canceled a Kojima game because they never had a Kojima game. This supposed game doesn't exist.
 
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JackMcGunns

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Why is Xbox news always met with such hostility/negativity?

When it's announced that a creator is working with Sony on a secret project, the reaction is:

Cool I wonder what kind of game it's to be.
Let's talk about the possibilities, X developer has created masterpieces, I'm excited.
Fill in blank -------------- and try to guess the genre or name.

But when it's for Xbox

I don't see a contract
Let me see the receipts
It's probably a teaser and in reality it's coming to PS instead.

Is that only my perception?
 
Thirty7ven

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It’s interesting that what I assume are very young Xbox fans, believe the low balling comes from a place of envy. A MP cloud based game by Kojima is utterly uninteresting because it doesn’t speak to his proven abilities as a game director.

Of course he wants to try something different, and if MS is willing to pay top dollar for the headlines, thats great, but odds that the game will excite his fanbase? Very low. Odds that it will be stuck in development hell? Very high. Odds of success? Slim.
 
JackMcGunns

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Thirty7ven said:
It’s interesting that what I assume are very young Xbox fans, believe the low balling comes from a place of envy. A MP cloud based game by Kojima is utterly uninteresting because it doesn’t speak to his proven abilities as a game director.

Of course he wants to try something different, and if MS is willing to pay top dollar for the headlines, thats great, but odds that the game will excite his fanbase? Very low. Odds that it will be stuck in development hell? Very high. Odds of success? Slim.
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Unless it were coming to PlayStation, only then excitement for the next Kojima project ensues.
 
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Adam_802

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yurinka said:
There are zero facts pointing to that, the facts we have point in the opposite direction: what Kojima announced, what he said about how covid impacted them, what posts on Twitter and what he mentioned in interviews he'd like to do in the future since they are the only ones who can offer him both the gaming and non-gaming projects he'd like to do.
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lol why set yourself up for disappointment like this
 
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reksveks

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Rubberwald said:
I don’t like his games, but I always respect him as an innovator and a creator who isn’t afraid to experiment. So, with that in mind, I’m curious what he can do with cloud tech.
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That's the boat I am in.

Thirty7ven said:
Odds of success? Slim.
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Success for Microsoft is getting Gamepass subscribers which I think it will do. He is an auteur in an industry with very few of those.

Success for Kojima is probably getting the game that he wants to make made and a decent number of players and money invested. Microsoft seem to be willing to invest into him, seem very hands-off and will put it on GamePass.
 
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reinking

reinking

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JackMcGunns said:
Why is Xbox news always met with such hostility/negativity?

When it's announced that a creator is working with Sony on a secret project, the reaction is:

Cool I wonder what kind of game it's to be.
Let's talk about the possibilities, X developer has created masterpieces, I'm excited.
Fill in blank -------------- and try to guess the genre or name.

But when it's for Xbox

I don't see a contract
Let me see the receipts
It's probably a teaser and in reality it's coming to PS instead.

Is that only my perception?
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You are viewing it one sided. This happens on both sides. Maybe since there are more PlayStation players than Xbox it seems one sided but it is not. It is the same fanboy warring we have seen since Atari vs Intellivision.

I don't care where he puts his next game. If I am interested, I will play it. If not, I will skip it like I did Death Stranding.
 
HeisenbergFX4

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JackMcGunns said:
Why is Xbox news always met with such hostility/negativity?

When it's announced that a creator is working with Sony on a secret project, the reaction is:

Cool I wonder what kind of game it's to be.
Let's talk about the possibilities, X developer has created masterpieces, I'm excited.
Fill in blank -------------- and try to guess the genre or name.

But when it's for Xbox

I don't see a contract
Let me see the receipts
It's probably a teaser and in reality it's coming to PS instead.

Is that only my perception?
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Both camps are this way just PS has the majority of the player base thus a bigger voice.

Both sides can not stand when something positive happens for the other.

And I have no dogs in this fight as I play on all platforms.
 
Krappadizzle

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Macho Man Hulk Hogam GIF


Didn't know salt could be so sweet.
 
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DeepEnigma

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JackMcGunns said:
Cool I wonder what kind of game it's to be.
Let's talk about the possibilities, X developer has created masterpieces, I'm excited.
Fill in blank -------------- and try to guess the genre or name.

But when it's for Xbox

I don't see a contract
Let me see the receipts
It's probably a teaser and in reality it's coming to PS instead.

Is that only my perception?
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Stevie Wonder GIF by John Legend

HeisenbergFX4 said:
Both camps are this way just PS has the majority of the player base thus a bigger voice.

Both sides can not stand when something positive happens for the other.

And I have no dogs in this fight as I play on all platforms.
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This. You would have to have them fanboy blinders on extra tight not to see it on here and everywhere.
 
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BootsLoader

BootsLoader

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I though Xbox guys said that Kojima is an overrated Diva Developer who is making shit that sells because of his name. What, no?
 
longdi

longdi

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Rubberwald said:
I don’t like his games, but I always respect him as an innovator and a creator who isn’t afraid to experiment. So, with that in mind, I’m curious what he can do with cloud tech.
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I agree, Kojima is an old school roller, with forward looking ideas, who is not afraid to experiment and do new things.

That is why this can be something special, with the technology and budget he is given.
 
FunkMiller

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Is there any source for this other than VentureBeat? Because I tend to treat everything as bullcrap until at least two or three of the more reliable outlets report something independently.

Every story about this I can see just links back to VentureBeat.
 
vaibhavpisal

vaibhavpisal

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FunkMiller said:
Is there any source for this other than VentureBeat? Because I tend to treat everything as bullcrap until at least two or three of the more reliable outlets report something independently.

Every story about this I can see just links back to VentureBeat.
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Outlets like Eurogamer do their own research.

Then give credit to one of the publication cause easier that way, instead of naming their insiders.
 
RoboFu

RoboFu

One of the green rats
Kojima’s first big games were snatcher and metal gear which were developed for .. the MSX .. a Microsoft designed computer which was made majorly by Sony.

😮
 
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SafeOrAlone

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BootsLoader said:
I though Xbox guys said that Kojima is an overrated Diva Developer who is making shit that sells because of his name. What, no?
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Nah, people just started saying that around the time of Metal Gear Solid 5 and Death Stranding, really. And Death Stranding was torn into by many Playstation gamers alike.
I think you're looking for a "gotcha" that isn't really there. Of course, there will always be haters of Kojima on all consoles, but I've never noticed it to be some general Xbox fanboy trend to rip on Kojima.

Of course, this will be the ongoing narrative, if Kojima makes a game that's exclusively Xbox. Lot's of pointing fingers at invisible people who either loved or hated Kojima before switching sides due to the announcement. I think the truth is closer to the fact that the internet is full of conflicting voices and opinions. And sure, there are hypocrites as well.
 
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93xfan

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xHunter said:
Was that ever proven or are you basing this on that xboxera podcast?
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Tough to know. its a rumor based on a rumor. I may have been more susceptible to believing it after hearing the one poster calling him a “traitor.” Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s him that made the petition.
 
BootsLoader

BootsLoader

Banned
SafeOrAlone said:
Nah, people just started saying that around the time of Metal Gear Solid 5 and Death Stranding, really. And Death Stranding was torn into by many Playstation gamers alike.
I think you're looking for a "gotcha" that isn't really there. Of course, there will always be haters of Kojima on all consoles, but I've never noticed it to be some general Xbox fanboy trend to rip on Kojima.

Of course, this will be the ongoing narrative, if Kojima makes a game that's exclusively Xbox. Lot's of pointing fingers at invisible people who either loved or hated Kojima before switching sides due to the announcement. I think the truth is closer to the fact that the internet is full of conflicting voices and opinions. And sure, there are hypocrites as well.
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I don’t know, I always loved Kojima games and the man himself and I will continue to support him because I like whatever shit he releases, no matter the platform etc.
 
JLB

JLB

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Both camps are this way just PS has the majority of the player base thus a bigger voice.

Both sides can not stand when something positive happens for the other.

And I have no dogs in this fight as I play on all platforms.
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yup, thats it.
 
TheGodfather07

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whatever kojima's next new game is, i really want him to go back to a more linear style game pre MGSV. those were his best days and i dont want every game to be open world. it had a negative effect on MGSV imo.

gamepass could actually be a very good fit for a more smller focused kojima game.
 
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