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Sony Is Not in an 'Arms Race’ With Microsoft, Says PlayStation Boss
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SLB1904
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its probably coming to pc?Nope, but the wording gives it away. Sony is publishing THEIR games. Sony doesnt own the IPs in these cases. The bungie studio was created in 2018 way before sony got involved.
PlayStation and Firewalk Studios announce publishing partnership for a new, original multiplayer IP
Firewalk’s AAA team sets its sights on creating memorable multiplayer moments for players.blog.playstation.com
Also the job listings ask for multiplat engine experience.
- You have a lot of experience developing an optimized multi-platform graphics code taking advantage of each platform to its fullest.
SafeOrAlone
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While studio acquisitions are larger in scale, they are both done with the same goal in mind.
Killer Sakoman
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Enjoy it and don't forget to save money for starships skins
Salty Popsicle
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Sony and Nintendo need their console and games to succeed or they go-under. Microsoft can coast in 3rd place in the gaming space forever and they wouldn't care as long as people are engaged in their ecosystem. Xbox is a support division for Microsoft, PlayStation and Nintendo are core pillars of their respective companies.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They won't stay losing money forever. It's quite clear they want out of the hardware business imo.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Game is included in GamePass, so I'll have an extra $70 burning in my pocket
Topher
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That's fine, but that isn't what Hulst was being asked about at all. Here is the question:
"There are a lot of companies making acquisitions in gaming at the moment. Microsoft just bought Bethesda for $7.5 billion, Facebook has scooped up a lot of developers in the VR space of late and now Sony is purchasing Housemarque. Looking at the industry from the outside, it feels like a bit of an arms race. Is that how you see it, Hermen?"
Nothing about timed exclusives.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/housemarque-sony-playstation-acquisition
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Salty Popsicle
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A company that wants to exit hardware business yet is investing in making their own in-house processor chips and are already working on the successor to Xbox Series X...makes sense???
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...signing-its-own-chips-for-servers-surface-pcs
Killer Sakoman
Member
Enjoy my friendGame is included in GamePass, so I'll have an extra $70 burning in my pocket
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Server pcs and tablets... no mention of xbox. What else you got?
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Salty Popsicle
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Both of which are hardware.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
Sure, but it seems implied to me that by paying for launch exclusives and the like, you are partaking in an "arms race". I see what you are saying - the question is framing the arms race as being one of studio acquisitions, and nothing else.
yurinka
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Their position with Zenimax according to the Xbox CFO is that their future games will be 'first or best on Xbox' (in both cases means they can be released on PlayStation) and Phil said they will continue supporting the communities they have in other consoles (after the purchase they kept releasing new content, DLC and updates on PS for their games) and that they must release some stuff due to contractual reasons (without mentioning Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo, meaning that it's likely to be more games like maybe Indiana Jones because maybe they agreed with Lucas to release it as multi).
So there may be some exclusive content for Xbox, some of it full console exclusive, some of it just a timed exclusive. But they will continue releasing stuff in the other consoles, as they did with Minecraft.
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Dolomite
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You realize that OP and myself were talking about studio acquisitions in general right? I wasn't exactly sure why you responded to my post with anecdotal evidence of sony "technically" having enough cash to buy Bethesda but sure.But you said they can't afford to. That's different than "they can afford but Microsoft can afford more."
We know that your US tech companies are living in a bubble. They are the new GE and Exxon.
You're either confusing yourself or trying to confuse someone, but I'll spell it out. They can't afford to go into an "arms race" as Jim calls it because MS has a larger Warchest. To address your Bethesda example directly: No finacially responsible corporation will ever dump 20% of thier total holdings into a single purchase. MS can afford 7.5 Billion dollar purchases because it's pocket change to them. That's just math man, whether or not I'm a fan of Xbox, the facts stand.
P.S. the tech "bubble" was supposed to have burst 3xs already
wouldn't hold my breath. The market as a whole is for sure heading toward an 2008' style Correction though, I'm talking 7-18 months top! Y'all better load up on some Bearish ETFs
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yurinka
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Yes, Nintendo and Sony won't get rid about their consoles because they are important for them. Xbox isn't important for MS and some day may get rid of it, specially if their plans of moving their gaming business to PC and mobile (and particularly to a subscription) works out.
And if it doesn't work out and they realize that in addition to don't be able to compete selling console hardware and software, they also can't compete on gaming subscriptions or selling games for PC maybe they also get rid of it and the whole gaming divisions, something their stakeholders asked to do in the past.
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Kokoloko85
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I think Phil Spencer said Starfield and the other Bethesda game they announced as exclusive to Xbox.
I agree with MS still being 3rd, its not gonna change much
yurinka
Member
Yep, he announced that. But in the past Microsoft and Sony announced dozens of games as exclusive, and some time later they turned out to be timed console exclusives.
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captainraincoat
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If they were to make any inroads on their first party situation to address the incoming barrage of games on gamepass they needed to be purchasing studios 2 years ago….talk won’t really cut it anymore and I think Jim is about to be caught with his pants down
Leyasu
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After deathloop and that tokyo ghost game, I would be really surprised to see other Bethesda games releasing on Playstation.
Edit. I think that Indiana Jones will be the last multiplat
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Kokoloko85
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No. But they created Ratchet and Clank, Resistance with Insomniac. Just like they did Jak n Daxter, Uncharted and The Last of Us with Naughty Dog.
Sly Cooper, Infamous and Ghost of Tsushima with Sucker Punch etc.
Surely you can tell the difference, between when Microsoft bought Undead Labs and when they Bought Bethesda?? They had a exclusive game creating relationship with Undead labs With an IP they build. Whereas MS didnt make Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Doom… They just bought it.
Sony owns the Spiderman IP when they bought it off Marvel when no1 gave a rats arse about the rights.
And Spider-man is one game, that they owned with a studio they worked with exclusively for 3 decades. You wanna ignore all the other successful IP’s they made like God of War, Bloodborne, Demon Souls and the games I mentioned above?
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Wulfer
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Oh no, Sony you don't get to pick if your in a arms race. You get to pick if you want to join or not, see you're no longer the big fish in the pond and MS is not Sega. See you picked this fight years ago with MS and now they've come to play you decide to run from the game???“We're very selective about the developers that we bring in,” Hulst said. “Our last new acquisition was Insomniac [for $229 million in 2019], which has worked out very well. I'm always looking for people that have a similar set of values, similar creative ambitions and work very well with our team that we can further invest in and help grow as creators. It's not like we're going around and just making random acquisitions.”
Sony Is Not in an 'Arms Race’ With Microsoft, Says PlayStation Boss - IGN
PlayStation boss Hermen Hulst has said that Sony is not in a studio acquisition race against other platform holders.www.ign.com
That last sentence should quell the "Sony should buy" talk as they clearly have a defined strategy...
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Jesus christ. I'm sorry. I should have been more specific. Xbox hardware. Consoles. Where is this quote you have of the series x successor in the works?
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Rolla
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I need some of what you're smoking.
Interfectum
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It’s classic David vs Goliath with the twist being Goliath never had a chance to begin with.
Gordon Freeman
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Pretty gross for him to say that to be honest.
A slap in the face of the Xbox Game Studio developers.
A development studio like id Software has had more influence on the industry than any of Sony’s studios for example.
A slap in the face of the Xbox Game Studio developers.
A development studio like id Software has had more influence on the industry than any of Sony’s studios for example.
Ghost of Caelid
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Both companies have made smart purchases. To act like buying housemarque is more strategic that buying bethesda is straight up fanboying. Its a really nice purchase that doest really build up your portfolio since their games been exclusives for a while now, while Xbox added a huge amount of exclusives by taking value from their competition. I think one is a bit more strategic than the others but both good purchase for their respective brand.
EDMIX
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nah.
You are basically saying don't do something, cause someone could do something..... they are correct to buy what they can no different then MS is correct to buy what they can. No one forced anyone to do anything, MS needed to increase their first party for years bud. So I don't think "Deathloop" being timed is the reason MS bought Zenimax......
Didn't that joke / argument / wish expire when we learned Elder Scrolls is still in design phase? I'm not even kidding.people still in here coping about bethesda
Sir Vilhelm
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This thread is great
EDMIX
Member
Likely.
I'd be completely ok with them just doing the 3rd party thing as they already are looking to be on all devices anyway.
Take on EA, Ubisoft and Activision and just go software only. I don't hate the publisher, but don't like em enough to ever buy their hardware lol
Sir Vilhelm
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Edit: I see
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driqe
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It should've expired on June 13 but here we are lmao
martino
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I'm referring to the story that has its own thread where it was said you should consider it still in design phase.
Jigsaah
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I'd argue that, in the video game space, Sony is definitely Goliath. Xbox is David with a fist full of steroid needles and a point to prove.
Sir Vilhelm
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fallingdove
Member
You are absolutely right. Now Sony are the big fish in the pond with an older medium sized fish and a smallish fish that dreams of being a big fish one day and talks and talks and talks about all of the worms they will eat years from now.
Jigsaah
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To be in an "arms race" wouldn't they be after the same developers? I doubt Microsoft was going after HouseMarque and Bluepoint prior to this acquisition.
So, to be clear, proof is kinda in the puddin' there Jim. Sony is going about their purchases much differently at most times than what Microsoft is doing. I feel like Sony has the better strategy overall, or at least, if I were making the decisions, I agree more with Sony's recent purchases including the amounts spent than I would Microsoft's. 7 billion just seems crazy to me. It feels like Microsoft was in a bidding war, but with the likes of Amazon or Google, not Sony.
So, to be clear, proof is kinda in the puddin' there Jim. Sony is going about their purchases much differently at most times than what Microsoft is doing. I feel like Sony has the better strategy overall, or at least, if I were making the decisions, I agree more with Sony's recent purchases including the amounts spent than I would Microsoft's. 7 billion just seems crazy to me. It feels like Microsoft was in a bidding war, but with the likes of Amazon or Google, not Sony.
Brofist
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They don't want out of the hardware business. They just want to move away from the razor and blades business model that video game companies have been following for years now.
Not necessarily, just means they are trying to stack the most resources.
Unknown?
Member
Idk. Not long ago people were saying Sony was anti consumer and now they're the ones buying a studio that doesn't take games away from the competition.
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reinking
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You keep thinking that. It wasn't that long ago MS was about the pull the plug on the console division. I really hope MS is able to keep their console sales up as they focus on Game Pass and PC. MS needs their consoles just as much as the others to support Game Pass. At least for the foreseeable future.
zaanan
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Ok, so where is the Microsoft war chest in your scenario? Far as I know, David didn’t have $7.5b+ to buy off the Philistines...
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