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Sony Is Not in an 'Arms Race’ With Microsoft, Says PlayStation Boss

TGO

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Except Microsoft has a much larger war chest to purchase more studios and publishers...
People keep saying this, but that hasn't helped them in the last 20 years.
Probably because their war chest does not equal how much the Xbox Division can spend.
Same with Sony and the Playstation Division.
The difference is one is the market leader and the other is not.
 

j0hnnix

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treemk

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People keep saying this, but that hasn't helped them in the last 20 years.
Probably because their war chest does not equal how much the Xbox Division can spend.
Same with Sony and the Playstation Division.
The difference is one is the market leader and the other is not.

It's always affected how much they can spend, that doesn't mean they can spend what they want.
The problem is they throw money at stuff and a few years down the road it's in decline instead of growing on it's own.
 
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Hezekiah

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Sony's about smart investments. They have very strong IPs, mindshare, and a number of top tier AAA studios which have been gradually expanded over the past year or two.

Microsoft didn't have that, their first-party output over the past few years has been weak, plus they evidently feel the need to release a first-party game every quarter (probably to justify the GamePass price jump that will come). However the Zenimax deal will take ages to pay itself off, and some of those studios could lose value if their next games arent successful).

Sony are better off carrying on buying developers they have strong ties to who are proven in terms of efficiency and quality. Insomniac for $230m was a ridiculous bargain.
 

Helghan

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People keep saying this, but that hasn't helped them in the last 20 years.
Probably because their war chest does not equal how much the Xbox Division can spend.
Same with Sony and the Playstation Division.
The difference is one is the market leader and the other is not.
Obviously the money Xbox had been spending the past 3 years is a long term play on their subscription based business model. You can't really say it will or won't help them today, we just have to wait and see.
 

mckmas8808

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It played the role. Of course it was not 50% of the reason but at least 10%. Content is important, so not losing content - is equally important. If it did not matter, Sony would not money hat stuff left and right. Why would they spend tens or hundreds of millions for time exclusivity? MS just operates at the bigger scope. It is really nice to see MS finally backing Xbox and that it started to operate like they supposed to be from the very beginning. If they started that earlier they could secure Bioware and Remedy, the relations with Platinum Games would not fall apart and so on.

We agree to disagree here. I think if Sony never tried to get Starfield as an exclusive, MS still would have bought Bethesda\Zenimax either way. Why? Because Bethesda was for sale due to their lack of quality and/or game sales "some-what" recently.
 

Kokoloko85

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Only problem is if MS end up buying more publishers/studios and thats taking away games from Nintendo and Playstation.

MS would of got every one of these Bethesda games anyway, but now they are just taking IP’s they had nothing to with creating or building.

Just dont take away Capcom, Konami, Square or Sega IP’s from me, the rest I dont care about lol. Namco is safe while Nintendo has shares anyway.

But MS had no choice, there own IP’s werent doing well for them anymore and they needed to stay in the video game industry.
If you can’t make new decent IP’s, just buy already established ones lol
 
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treemk

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We agree to disagree here. I think if Sony never tried to get Starfield as an exclusive, MS still would have bought Bethesda\Zenimax either way. Why? Because Bethesda was for sale due to their lack of quality and/or game sales "some-what" recently.
Yup, seems like everything other than Doom Eternal has been lacking from them, and that game is not going to produce like they would hope a successful Fallout 76 live service game would. Notice after the acquisition Doom Eternal gets microtransactions, which they said they would never do. Microsoft cannot resist milking a successful product to the point that it becomes worse off.
 

Utherellus

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"random acquisitions"

Meanwhile Bethesda made a "Double RAM party" featuring a cake with RAM numbers on it when they found out that 1 year exclusive Oblivion wont be held by X360's originally planned RAM, which was reconsidered by engineering team after Bethesda begged MS, as they were closely involved in designing 360 with Microsoft.

Not to mention OG Xbox exclusive Morrowind which was first try for Bethesda outside PC space so MS guided them into console development with tools, devkits and infamous "Morrowind soft-reboots OG Xbox while loading to free up RAM" trick.
 
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treemk

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"random acquisitions"

Meanwhile Bethesda made a "Double RAM party" featuring a cake with RAM numbers on it when they found out that 1 year exclusive Oblivion wont be held by X360's originally planned RAM, which was reconsidered by engineering team after Bethesda begged MS, as they were closely involved in designing 360 with Microsoft.

Not to mention OG Xbox exclusive Morrowind which was first try for Bethesda outside PC space so MS guided them into console development with tools, devkits and infamous "Morrowind soft-reboots OG Xbox while loading to free up RAM" trick.
I'm guessing it has more to do with the alignment of Bethesda games in decline while MS needs to pad game pass rather than a cake party from 15 years ago. MS DID do a lot back then to help make consoles more friendly for PC devs, but that's old news and something Sony caught up to with the PS4.
 

Utherellus

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I'm guessing it has more to do with the alignment of Bethesda games in decline while MS needs to pad game pass rather than a cake party from 15 years ago. MS DID do a lot back then to help make consoles more friendly for PC devs, but that's old news and something Sony caught up to with the PS4.
My point still stands that MS and Bethesda had very close and strong partnership since the OG Xbox.

So there is nothing random about Bethesda acquisition.
 
No matter what people say, Bethesda has created millions of fans on playstation platforms. No other studio Sony has acquired so far can match this. But the big villain in this case for these fans is only Bethesda. Microsoft got the money and they accepted the deal. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 

yurinka

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No matter what people say, Bethesda has created millions of fans on playstation platforms. No other studio Sony has acquired so far can match this. But the big villain in this case for these fans is only Bethesda. Microsoft got the money and they accepted the deal. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
Only problem is if MS end up buying more publishers/studios and thats taking away games from Nintendo and Playstation.
Sony and Nintendo won't give if Zenimax stops releasing games an DLC on PS5 and Switch because Zenimax game sales were a tiny portion of PS4 and Switch/WiiU/3DS game sales, specially when compared to their 1st party output.

And we still have to see if Zenimax games announced as exclusive really will be full console exclusives instead of only timed console exclusives. Remember that the Xbox CEO said their strategy for Bethesda was 'first or best on Xbox', Phil said they were going to support their existing communities on other platforms and that also had contractual stuff etc.

MS will continue being the 3rd after the Zenimax purchase, and not only selling hardware, but also regarding total game sales and total with exclusive game sales too.
 
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treemk

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No matter what people say, Bethesda has created millions of fans on playstation platforms. No other studio Sony has acquired so far can match this. But the big villain in this case for these fans is only Bethesda. Microsoft got the money and they accepted the deal. :messenger_grinning_smiling:
Considering they have no output after the acquisition yet, that remains to be seen. I predict a decline of several of their IPs and others will inevitably be released back to playstation to salvage profits.
 

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Skelterz

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They say that now 😂 it’s amazing what having a slightly weaker console makes them come out with no it’s always the way, You can bet your life if the PS5 was like the PS4 was to the Xbox one they’d be talking hard.

I have a PS5 by the way I just hate double standards.
 

Topher

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We agree to disagree here. I think if Sony never tried to get Starfield as an exclusive, MS still would have bought Bethesda\Zenimax either way. Why? Because Bethesda was for sale due to their lack of quality and/or game sales "some-what" recently.

And we don't know for a fact that Sony ever made an attempt to get Starfield as an exclusive. That has been stated by exactly one person on twitter. That's hardly confirmation of anything.

They say that now 😂 it’s amazing what having a slightly weaker console makes them come out with no it’s always the way, You can bet your life if the PS5 was like the PS4 was to the Xbox one they’d be talking hard.

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Foilz

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They don't have to be since the devs MS bought won't be putting out anything special for years to come. Meanwhile Sony is Sony and they still will have the better exclusives every year.
 

treemk

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They say that now 😂 it’s amazing what having a slightly weaker console makes them come out with no it’s always the way, You can bet your life if the PS5 was like the PS4 was to the Xbox one they’d be talking hard.

I have a PS5 by the way I just hate double standards.

It's not even about PS vs. XBOX anymore. Microsoft is all in on game pass and they want to be the Netflix of games. They want your subscription money and they want your microtransaction money, they won't necessarily care if you're paying from a Sony console. Everything Microsoft is doing in software is moving towards a subscription model.
 
Every company is trying to position themselves for the most customers yielding the most profit possible utilizing the resources they possess.

Business, in its fundamentals, is not a mystery. If the roles were reversed, the behavior likely would be as well.

I just want to play some (good) games.
 

treemk

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Gaming has never been important for Microsoft in the past.
It's not exactly important for them now. They have no desire to make a console that's consistently better than Playstation. They are trying an opportunity to make a killing with subscriptions.
 
Can you google how much cash in hands Sony has and convince me why it is not enough to buy Bethesda?
If you claim something bring evidence or you are worth being banned.
If I'm Sony and have $50 bucks in my pocket, I can afford to purchase Bethesda for $10, but it's a dent on my wallet. If I'm Microsoft and I have $500 bucks in my pocket, a $10 Bethesda purchase is nothing.
 
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It's not exactly important for them now. They have no desire to make a console that's consistently better than Playstation. They are trying an opportunity to make a killing with subscriptions.
Games make the console and there PlayStation has always been better.
 
No shit Sherlock .No acquisitions are random ones....
They are negotiations / discussions that can last years. That let lot of time for both part to think.
He means they are buying studios who they've worked with anyway. They aren't going out and buying random teams who were putting out games on all platforms. Insomniac, Bluepoint, and Housemarque have basically been PlayStation studios anyway for as long as they've been around
 
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If I'm Sony and have $50 bucks in my pocket, I can afford to purchase Bethesda for $10, but it's a dent on my wallet. If I'm Microsoft and I have $500 bucks in my pocket, a $10 Bethesda purchase is nothing.
They are not a mom who is afraid to spend her 10 dollars. for a company, that free cash will have to be invested anyway. So they will pay that 10 regardless. It is just that they chose to spend it wisely because that's what people call smart and efficient business
 
From the moment Microsoft purchased Mjoang/Minecraft, they stated clearly that they had no intention of removing it from existing storefronts and platforms. Zero equivalency.
 

Topher

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If I'm Sony and have $50 bucks in my pocket, I can afford to purchase Bethesda for $10, but it's a dent on my wallet. If I'm Microsoft and I have $500 bucks in my pocket, a $10 Bethesda purchase is nothing.

In either case, the purchase is made to make money off the investment so none of that really matters. Either way, Microsoft needed a purchase like Zenimax a heck of a lot more than Sony did.

Sure, but it makes it seem like they are in fact in an arms race.

The "arms race" being discussed isn't about timed exclusives. It is about studio acquisitions.
 
They are not a mom who is afraid to spend her 10 dollars. for a company, that free cash will have to be invested anyway. So they will pay that 10 regardless. It is just that they chose to spend it wisely because that's what people call smart and efficient business
Maybe if Sony took some pointers from Microsoft on how to run "efficiently", they too would be a 2-trillion dollar company.
 
From the moment Microsoft purchased Mjoang/Minecraft, they stated clearly that they had no intention of removing it from existing storefronts and platforms. Zero equivalency.
Because they cannot afford to remove them 😊. That game becomes worthless if you remove it from other store fronts
 

MOTM

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It’s not for lack of attempts from Microsoft, it’s just that when it comes to paid console exclusives, Microsoft has to mostly settle for the scraps (Call of the Sea, The Medium, etc).

In case you are wondering why, well for starters, there is a far bigger install base on PlayStation, and Microsoft nurturing their user base to avoid paying full price for games (mostly due to Game Pass) surely is not going to help them secure top tier timed exclusive games (unless they pay a lot of money to ensure the games come out day and date on GP).
Settle for scraps? Uhh MS use their money to get games on Gamepass day one: Outriders, Back4Blood, MLB, Hades, A Plagues Tale Requiem, Stalker 2 etc.

Besides 1 or 2 high profile games such as FF7 remake Sony are wasting their money on timed exclusivity for games like Godfall, Kena, Ghostwire Tokyo, Oddworld etc. What a waste of money and litteraly brings zero advantage to customers unlike having your games day 1 on Gamepass.
 
Maybe if Sony took some pointers from Microsoft on how to run "efficiently", they too would be a 2-trillion dollar company.
The 2 trillion dollar valuation means nothing. It's a stock market bubble of all digital tech companies around the world. It will bursts someday. Microsoft has no advantage from that 2 trillion because no one want to be sold for bubble stocks. Even Bethesda didn't accept stocks, they only wanted cash.
 

yurinka

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They always were pretty clear about Minecraft, no? Why are you trying to equalize both things? It means that every Sony "exclusive" will also come out on PC? Like Horizon for example?
When they bought that huge Minecraft IP they continued releasing its stuff as multiplatform. They also have been pretty clear saying their strategy is 'first or best on Xbox' with Zenimax and that will continue supporting communites they have in other platforms and that other projects will be released on other consoles due to contractual stuff.

Sony instead never published their games on other consoles, there's the MLB exception because MLB did it themselves because it's their own IP. So when they buy an studio, it doesn't release more games in other consoles. Regarding PC, Sony said they will continue porting more (didn't mention 'all') PS4 (did mention PS4, not PS5) games. So we can expect them to continue releasing relatively old PS4 games and somewhere in the future they may start porting the early PS5 games. I think their strategy is to port old games to don't negatively affect their console hardware and software sales, in the same way they include their some (not all) of their own games on PS Plus or PS Now when they are old enough to have basically zero sales.

Maybe if Sony took some pointers from Microsoft on how to run "efficiently", they too would be a 2-trillion dollar company.
These 2-trillion are so important for gaming that 20 years after MS debbuted on consoles Xbox continues being the 3rd and Sony continues being the 1st.
 
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The 2 trillion dollar valuation means nothing. It's a stock market bubble of all digital tech companies around the world. It will bursts someday. Microsoft has no advantage from that 2 trillion because no one want to be sold for bubble stocks. Even Bethesda didn't accept stocks, they only wanted cash.
Yep, cash that Sony was unable to match
 

Loope

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When they bought that huge Minecraft IP they continued releasing its stuff as multiplatform. They also have been pretty clear saying their strategy is 'first or best on Xbox' with Zenimax and that will continue supporting communites they have in other platforms and that other projects will be released on other consoles due to contractual stuff.

Sony instead never published their games on other consoles, there's the MLB exception because MLB did it themselves because it's their own IP. So when they buy an studio, it doesn't release more games in other consoles. Regarding PC, Sony said they will continue porting more (didn't mention 'all') PS4 (did mention PS4, not PS5) games. So we can expect them to continue releasing relatively old PS4 games and somewhere in the future they may start porting the early PS5 games. I think their strategy is to port old games to don't negatively affect their console hardware and software sales, in the same way they include their some (not all) of their own games on PS Plus or PS Now when they are old enough to have basically zero sales.
The fact is, they were upfront from the get go with Minecraft, they said several times they would not take it away from other platforms.Their position with Zenimax is totally different.
 
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