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[Riky]

DF pointed out that PS5 is noticeably smoother in areas where SX had significant stutter... So, shouldn't PS5 be the obvious choice for those with no VRR + 120Hz if they want solid performance? EDIT: Btw, it's a 1080p TV.

I mean even with a VRR display, the stutters are noticeable whereas it's framerate drops that feel non-existent.

I wouldnt say so, they aren't even getting a native image even on a 1080p set.
I have a VRR display with 120hz output and it's totally smooth, the premium console experience.

 

[assurdum]

XSX could easily drop the frame rate 20% to match the PS5s res...or even just 10% and not drop that the odd frame but still have plenty of overhead left.

Personally I'd rather have the 20% res increase and drop the odd frame - as it would appeal the developer would.

So practically the developers has choice to prioritize higher resolution which is barely noticeable to visible performance issue. Weird. Why if the cause is not the GPU? Because such drops seems more CPU tied. GPU drops leaning to be more linear and progressive where such stutter appears more drastic skip in the frame time, something generally tied to the CPU-I/O job. My opinion eh.

 

[Zathalus]

LOL. Nice spin

This is your supposedly almighty full RDNA2, almost 2 TF advantage and you get just a resolution advantage. Lol
Where is the almighty RDNA 2 and 12TF which Xbox fans across the net claimed that it would destroy PS5? Where is the XSX's resolution, graphical and framerate advantage at the same time in games over PS5? Didn't Xbox fans claimed that PS5 with 36 CUs will suffer in RT performance compared to XSX 52 CUs? Oh, yes, they did.


You mean up to 20%, but ignoring stuttering crap on Xbox.

You do realize that PS5 has the same stuttering issue as the XSX? It's just not as severe. The PS5 also drops frames in sections where the XSX does not.

And it's actually up to 36% more pixels in the open world, dropping to 25% more in heavy combat.

 

[assurdum]

You do realize that PS5 has the same stuttering issue as the XSX? It's just not as severe. The PS5 also drops frames in sections where the XSX does not.

And it's actually up to 36% more pixels in the open world, dropping to 25% more in heavy combat.

Do you realize the more stutter are more visible than the lower resolution on ps5?

 

[Md Ray]

I wouldnt say so, they aren't even getting a native image even on a 1080p set.
I have a VRR display with 120hz output and it's totally smooth, the premium console experience.

For those with no VRR or 120fps looking for smoother experience. PS5 is the way to go for this game, right? Better performance than XSX, less noticeable stutter, it's what matters, no?

 

[Three]

Jesus. 512p on XSS. I kept joking about 480p SD from 1995 if devs try to push next gen but now that's actually almost not a joke now.

 

[THE DUCK]

Honestly, they both look like trash having freshly played this on PC (RTX 3070). We're comparing smelly poop to slightly smelly poop. I feel like we're jumping in too soon with RT even though this generation of hardware supports it and from the looks of it, 4A isn't as good as other developers at optimizing their game for the current hardware. SX does get a win here, mainly because the gamma issue in my eyes.

Honestly I think you need new eyes or a new tv if you think the PC version with a 3070 is that much better.

 

[THE DUCK]

Jesus. 512p on XSS. I kept joking about 480p SD from 1995 if devs try to push next gen but now that's actually almost not a joke now.

No worse than the so called 4k consoles putting out 1080p in 2021.

 

[assurdum]

No worse than the so called 4k consoles putting out 1080p in 2021.

Are you kidding right?

 

[Team Andromeda]

That’s ok, you enjoy playing your 1080p version with ssssstutter and have fun. No one is stopping you. I know what I prefer. If it were the other way around I’d call the ps5 version shite, no qualms about it.

VRR= no stutter for us Xbox owners, plus we get Dolby Atmos support too; Better sound, better Screen Res and with VRR, a totally smooth experience.
Only DF & the SONY crowd could make out the PSV is the best console version

 

[Zathalus]

Do you realize the more stutter are more visible than the lower resolution on ps5?

Not with a VRR display they are not. For me personally, a 36% resolution difference is pretty noticeable and results in a softer image.

 

[THE DUCK]

Are you kidding right?

They are both lretty much exactly a quarter of thier target resolution, so why is it ok for X and ps5 but not the S?

 

[Md Ray]

No worse than the so called 4k consoles putting out 1080p in 2021.

For $100 more (or in my case $70 more), the PS5 DE provides significantly better image quality (~4x the quality) almost as good as SX with identical draw distance. And the console's connected to a 1080p display to boot. So no perceptible loss in image quality when min is in the 1080p region, as opposed to a 1080p console dipping to 512p. There, it's very noticeable.

 

[assurdum]

Not with a VRR display they are not. For me personally, a 36% resolution difference is pretty noticeable and results in a softer image.

For me you just warring. DRS means it's dynamic and hardly you have the impact of a fixed higher resolution. VRS doesn't excuse worse performance. But hey it's just an opinion. What about to post a picture which show that noticeable difference in the IQ?

 

[THE DUCK]

For $100 more (or in my case $70 more), the PS5 DE provides significantly better image quality (~4x the quality) almost as good as SX with identical draw distance. And the console's connected to a 1080p display. No perceptible loss in image quality.

Great, does it play xbox games and does it have game pass? Do you have more than 1 in 10,000 chance of actually buying one?
If you can deliver on all that, than we can do away with the S.

 

[skit_data]

The only thing I learn from these threads are that non VRR-owners can go f*** themselves according to some. It’s funny that it’s almost always the same people that have a really hard pro-stance on the value offer of Series S.

It doesn’t compute IMO. You either have to own a really new, expensive 4k TV with VRR or you are ”poor” and Series S is the best option on your old 720p TV.

What about all the other people, you know, the vast majority of potential buyers?

 

[assurdum]

They are both lretty much exactly a quarter of thier target resolution, so why is it ok for X and ps5 but not the S?

Because series S uses the same graphic setting of the past generation?

 

[Md Ray]

Great, does it play xbox games and does it have game pass? Do you have more than 1 in 10,000 chance of actually buying one?
If you can deliver on all that, than we can do away with the S.

I'm talking about Metro Exodus. This is a Metro Exodus perf thread, no? Not a gamepass thread.

Let's keep it to Metro Exodus.

Does the PS5 DE in this game provide significantly better image quality (4x higher) and better draw distance for like 1.15x more money? Yes.

Do you agree?

 

[Md Ray]

For those with no VRR or 120fps looking for smoother experience. PS5 is the way to go for this game, right? Better performance than XSX, less noticeable stutter, it's what matters, no?

Waiting for your response Riky .

 

[THE DUCK]

Because on series S uses the same graphic setting of the past generation?

Errr, isn't 1080p the graphic setting from last gen too?

 

[THE DUCK]

I'm talking about Metro Exodus. This is a Metro Exodus thread, no? Not a gamepass thread.

Right, but we don't buy machines in a bubble for 1 game. We pick the one that matches our needs overall.

 

[Zathalus]

For me you just warring. DRS means it's dynamic and hardly you have a fixed higher resolution on series X that noticeable. And VRS doesn't excuse worse performance. But hey it's just an opinion.

Stating my opinion is warring? Yes DRS is dynamic, but the XSX still holds the advantage in like for like scenes. And VRR totally excuses the occasional framerate dip. Even without VRR the occasional brief frame drop to 59FPS is unnoticeable (don't try to pretend it's not), while VRR covers any of the longer drops to 58fps.

You are trying to spin this narrative that PS5 has no drops, while XSX suffers from them all the time, which as the previous XSX video from DF pointed out is simply not true. The combat framerate drops occur only a handful of times, while the stuttering issue only happens occasionally. PS5 also has the occasional framerate drop, but at this moment no VRR is in place to cover it up.

So for somebody with a VRR display, the smoothest experience is actually on the XSX. But even without VRR you are not getting a unplayable mess on either console.

 

[assurdum]

Errr, isn't 1080p the graphic setting from last gen too?

Are you trying to say UE5 uses graphic setting from last generation too?

 

[assurdum]

Stating my opinion is warring? Yes DRS is dynamic, but the XSX still holds the advantage in like for like scenes. And VRR totally excuses the occasional framerate dip. Even without VRR the occasional brief frame drop to 59FPS is unnoticeable (don't try to pretend it's not), while VRR covers any of the longer drops to 58fps.

You are trying to spin this narrative that PS5 has no drops, while XSX suffers from them all the time, which as the previous XSX video from DF pointed out is simply not true. The combat framerate drops occur only a handful of times, while the stuttering issue only happens occasionally. PS5 also has the occasional framerate drop, but at this moment no VRR is in place to cover it up.

So for somebody with a VRR display, the smoothest experience is actually on the XSX. But even without VRR you are not getting a unplayable mess on either console.

Never said ps5 not drops but DF stated FPS is notable better on ps5. Again can you post a picture which shows series X to have a noticeable better IQ? Because hearing you is more apparent than the FPS difference between the two. Ok then. Show of what you talking about. Because I scrutinized the DF video and it's hardly noticeable as you continue to spread. Give so much credit to an higher native resolution in a DRS setup is frankly specious.

 

[Md Ray]

Right, but we don't buy machines in a bubble for 1 game. We pick the one that matches our needs overall.

This is a ME thread. Does the PS5 DE in this game provide significantly better image quality (4x higher) and better draw distance for like 1.15x more money? Yes.

Do you agree?

 

[Mr Moose]

I wouldnt say so, they aren't even getting a native image even on a 1080p set.
I have a VRR display with 120hz output and it's totally smooth, the premium console experience.

People just use the minimum to troll, it averages somewhere near 900p and looks good on my 1080p set, nice and smooth as well.

 

[Riky]

Waiting for your response Riky .

I've already answered you several times.
They both drop frames but only into the mid fifties for a couple of seconds, you probably wouldn't notice.
You will notice only running at 80% of the resolution and the affect on the AA at all times.

 

[Zathalus]

Never said ps5 not drops but DF stated FPS is notable better on ps5. Again can you post a picture which shows series X to have a noticeable better IQ? Because hearing you is more apparent than the FPS difference between the two. Ok then. Show of what you talking about. Because I scrutinized the DF and it's hardly noticeable as you said.

It's in the DF video. 9:11 to be exact, PS5 looses detail due to the resolution.

But it would be hard to point out on a YouTube video. It's not as I have capture hardware to capture raw images from my XSX and PS5.

But let's not pretend a 25%-36% drop in resolution is not something that a person won't notice. That's almost as large as the gap between 1080p and 900p at times.

 

[Riky]

I'm replying to a question on a direct comparison between Series X and PS5.

 

[THE DUCK]

This is a ME thread. Does the PS5 DE in this game provide significantly better image quality (4x higher) and better draw distance for like 1.15x more money? Yes.

Do you agree?

That I can agree with.
But it is hard to argue value of the DE if most can't buy one, it's kind of like the guy selling the bread for 99 cents but he's always sold out, not much "value" for most bread buyers if they can't eat......

 

[Md Ray]

I've already answered you several times.
They both drop frames but only into the mid fifties for a couple of seconds, you probably wouldn't notice.
You will notice only running at 80% of the resolution and the affect on the AA at all times.

Nope. They care only about perf and PS5 has smoother performance out of the two, unlike XSX with significant stutter.

So PS5 should provide better experience in this game on a non-VRR and non-120Hz display than SX.

Yes or no?

 

[assurdum]

It's in the DF video. 9:11 to be exact, PS5 looses detail due to the resolution.

But it would be hard to point out on a YouTube video. It's not as I have capture hardware to capture raw images from my XSX and PS5.

But let's not pretend a 25%-36% drop in resolution is not something that a person won't notice. That's almost as large as the gap between 1080p and 900p at times.

Make a capture. Show it. I already explained to you such difference in a DRS setup is far from noticeable and not like a fixed resolution but still you continue to talk indeed to prove it. Now the YouTube compression excuse . Outrider has the same difference but ps5 seemed even higher resolution thanks to the better AF. The thing is not easy show such difference in the resolution as you think with such DRS setup. I'm still waiting a shot about it by you.

 

[Riky]

It's in the DF video. 9:11 to be exact, PS5 looses detail due to the resolution.

But it would be hard to point out on a YouTube video. It's not as I have capture hardware to capture raw images from my XSX and PS5.

But let's not pretend a 25%-36% drop in resolution is not something that a person won't notice. That's almost as large as the gap between 1080p and 900p at times.

It's pretty undeniable, they mention the soft image several times in the video.

 

[Md Ray]

It's pretty undeniable, they mention the soft image several times in the video.

You're ok with Series S' 512p, no? So PS5's 4x higher IQ shouldn't bother you.

 

[assurdum]

It's pretty undeniable, they mention the soft image several times in the video.

 

[Inviusx]

People please, its clear that the XSX has the advantage here, higher resolution on average, minor FPS drops that are not an issue when paired with a VRR capable TV (because XSX actually supports VRR unlike PS5), Dolby Atmos support and does not exhibit the gamma bug found in the PS5 version.

Seriously, I just bought this game a few hours ago on PS5 and it looks great but I'm not going to pretend that it is the superior version because it may drop 1 or 2 less frames occasionally compared to XSX.

 

[assurdum]

People please, its clear that the XSX has the advantage here, higher resolution on average, minor FPS drops that are not an issue when paired with a VRR capable TV (because XSX actually supports VRR unlike PS5), Dolby Atmos support and does not exhibit the gamma bug found in the PS5 version.

Seriously, I just bought this game a few hours ago on PS5 and it looks great but I'm not going to pretend that it is the superior version because it may drop 1 or 2 less frames occasionally compared to XSX.

Can you point out who talked about superiority? Why drops on FPS are a minors things over the higher resolution with DRS? I don't get it. You don't see the contradiction in such assessment? Wasn't the point of DRS have better FPS over the resolution?

 

[Riky]

You're ok with Series S' 512p, no? So PS5's 4x higher IQ shouldn't bother you.

It wouldn't, but we're talking about a direct comparison, that's what the video is about. I am a little surprised the premium console is already sub 1080p though.

 

[Inviusx]

Can you point out who talked about superiority?

Literally every person in this thread who thinks Sony "won" again.

 

[Md Ray]

People please, its clear that the XSX has the advantage here, higher resolution on average, minor FPS drops that are not an issue when paired with a VRR capable TV (because XSX actually supports VRR unlike PS5), Dolby Atmos support and does not exhibit the gamma bug found in the PS5 version.

Seriously, I just bought this game a few hours ago on PS5 and it looks great but I'm not going to pretend that it is the superior version because it may drop 1 or 2 less frames occasionally compared to XSX.

XSX has significant stutter. That's noticeable in VRR, framerate drops are not.

 

[Riky]

XSX has significant stutter. That's noticeable in VRR, framerate drops are not.

It isn't.

 

[Zathalus]

Make a capture. Show it.

It's made obvious in the DF video. I'm not going to bother. If you are unable to notice a 25% resolution difference then that is good for you. Maybe get a pair of glasses then, or upgrade from 1080p.

I assume you were not this pedantic when PS5 had the resolution advantage in AC Valhalla?

 

[Md Ray]

I am a little surprised the premium console is already sub 1080p though.

You weren't surprised when Medium was sub 1080p on a premium console.

 

[assurdum]

Literally every person in this thread who thinks Sony "won" again.

Did you cared at least to read the post who talked about different things as in the last pages?

 

[Markio128]

Come on PS5 owners, let the Series x owners have this one, it sounds like they need it. Then return to R&C and laugh at the silliness of it all.

 

[Riky]

You weren't surprised when Medium was sub 1080p on a premium console.

No I wasn't when I saw how my PC runs it, be interesting to see how PS5 handles it.

 

[assurdum]

It's made obvious in the DF video. I'm not going to bother. If you are unable to notice a 25% resolution difference then that is good for you. Maybe get a pair of glasses then, or upgrade from 1080p.

I assume you were not this pedantic when PS5 had the resolution advantage in AC Valhalla?

Why you didn't posted a screen yet? Show it, no? Wasn't that apparent? That noticeable? Come on, shouldn't be too hard, you have the DF videos, use it.

 

[Shmunter]

VRR= no stutter for us Xbox owners, plus we get Dolby Atmos support too; Better sound, better Screen Res and with VRR, a totally smooth experience.
Only DF & the SONY crowd could make out the PSV is the best console version

VRR, the wheelchair for Xbox (tm)

A man with no legs can go downhill faster in his wheelchair too.

 

[Zathalus]

Why you don't post a screen? Show it, no? Wasn't that apparent? That noticeable? Come on, shouldn't be too hard. POST. A. SHOT.

It's in the video dude. Start at 8:55, it's even pointed out for you. The XSX has the sharper image, which generally occurs with a resolution advantage.

Are you seriously trying to argue resolution differences don't matter?

 

[Methos#1975]

Going to be honest, switching between both versions I cannot tell a damn difference between the at all. I'm just going with the PS5 version because to my eye it looks the exact same and I think the fact that the controller plays back audio makes it a bit more immersive on the PS5