Werewolfgrandma
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DF mentions it constantly. Vgtech doesn't mention anything ever. Nxg mainly does Sony games so it shouldn't pop up much.
The game is made and published on Xbox with vrr.
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[DF] Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - Image Quality + Performance Tests
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The game is made and published on Xbox with vrr.
fighterman101
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From the analysis the xbox and ps5 perform identical most of the time and only a few areas they seen issues which more than likely a bug that can be patched out since it isn't because of GPU. That is why DF said Xbox superiority is Slightly mitigated by PS5 performance. However, you are defending PS5 which most people don't have and yet shitting on VRR for the same reason. It's a feature that PS5 doesn't have currently and gives Xbox an edge. Also, you shouldn't talk about performance considering xbox has a lot of BC games running at 120 fps and ps5 has like 1 game.
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assurdum
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To be fair in the DF analysis they said it performs better on ps5 and they don't know at all the cause of the worst performance on series X...
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FatKingBallman
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It does. LOL It stutters and worse framerate. DF, NXG and VGTech : "what is VRR"
Nope. They don't.
However, you are defending Xbox with VRR excuse. DF does not.
Oh, shit. Wonder why DF didn't defend XSX with VRR excuse. Why would they?
PS5 runs BC games differently.
MDSLKTR
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Not without that vrr he won'tHe’ll play it on PS5 then.
rickybooby87
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Honestly, they both look like trash having freshly played this on PC (RTX 3070). We're comparing smelly poop to slightly smelly poop. I feel like we're jumping in too soon with RT even though this generation of hardware supports it and from the looks of it, 4A isn't as good as other developers at optimizing their game for the current hardware. SX does get a win here, mainly because the gamma issue in my eyes.
Bladed Thesis
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"A cut and dried Xbox Series X advantage is mitigated a little"
The quote you posted literally starts by saying "A completely settled/decided Xbox Series X advantage is made less severe a little..."
Werewolfgrandma
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DF literally mentions vrr pretty much every video about xsx. Do you suffer from some kind of vrr deafness they doesn't allow you to hear someone say vrr?
assurdum
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Well it's not exactly surprising by DF. Even an Epic developer invited them to stop to this attitude about exalt the higher resolution in their analysis but nope. We are still here."A cut and dried Xbox Series X advantage is mitigated a little"
The quote you posted literally starts by saying "A completely settled/decided Xbox Series X advantage is made less severe a little..."
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Physiognomonics
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According to a banned source (here) both versions drop to 1080p min. As I said, we should wait for more data to have a better perspective.
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fighterman101
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VRR makes all games better like a 4k TV over 1080p tv and HDR over non HDR tv. among others. VRR is becoming the standard for new TVs and will become more popular. Fact is I can play at better resolution and FPS on my series x while you are stuck with an inferior version permanently because Sony doesn't give a crap about BC. Digital Foundry didn't use VRR probably to make it more "fair" because they know PS5 can't compete.Also, you are bragging about 1-2 fps while Xbox has 60 fps advantage on bc games like the ME trilogy.
intbal
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I can't agree with this part. Metro Last Light was an amazing accomplishment on Xbox 360.
Unless by "current hardware" you were specifically referring to the current 9th gen machines. Then ignore my post.
rickybooby87
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Sorry, yeah. I was talking about 9th gen.
assurdum
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Could be ps5 runs at lower resolution. Still I checked the video multiple time, even the part about the zoom with "significant" higher resolution on series X. The sharpness is virtually identical, you have to check the fine edges in some spots to find the difference. I don't know what of noticeable difference they talking about, it's purely math difference in the end. At least they would show some clear picture about it, because such reconstruction works really well, how they can define noticeable something so trivial without a clear comparison side by side, I don't get it. Still I invite someone to post some pictures at this point.
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blastprocessor
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Sony need to optimise their tools hmmmmmm.
JackMcGunns
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Does anyone here understand how resolution works? Why are people only looking at horizontal lines when it's Vertical x Horizontal? H x V = the total pixels that the respective GPU have to process. The total pixels output of PS5 vs total pixel output of XSX is the percentage you need to be calculating. Smh
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FatKingBallman
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Cut the crap. Neither John and Alex didn't mentioned VRR for XSX in this video at all, from beginning till very end.
Dude, they are testing games how they are made and published ( patched ). WTF you talking about, Xbox fan. PS5 can't compete? I've thought i've heard everything from Xbox fan, but this is hilarious. Actually, PS5 doesn't need VRR for this game because clearly it performs better.
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SlimySnake
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Ray tracing performance scales with clocks AND CUs (shader processors).
This 18% difference has shown up in Control's photo mode where it was roughly 16% on average. In RE8's swamp sequence. Watch Dogs offers similar performance in both XSX and PS5 with the lower bound being 1440p in both systems.
The formula MS is using to calculate these numbers can be seen below. It's basically from AMD's white papers.
PlayStation 5 Pre-Release Technical Discussion |OT| OT
Whilst I'm here, I might as well post the rest. It's important to note all the below are theoretical maximums, including whether the clocks are fixed or not: Extrapolated from RDNA1: Triangle rasterisation is 4 triangles per cycle. PS5: 4 x 2.23 GHz ~ 8.92 Billion triangles per second XSX: 4...
www.resetera.com
Werewolfgrandma
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Did I say they did? Learn to read.
MasterCornholio
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PS5 competes with the XSX just fine. Just look at the sales.
JackMcGunns
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Is that a serious question? You DON'T know the difference they're talking about? Maybe because they're looking at the ACTUAL game running on their respective displays. Are you seriously comparing sharpness while looking at a heavily compressed YouTube video and going against DF's conclusion?
Hobbygaming
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The XSX version looks washed out. I'll take the better color tones
FatKingBallman
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Yeah... Pretty much
So, what you said their last video counts. I'm not deaf.
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fighterman101
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Not in terms of performance
PS5 doesn't perform better because VRR makes XSX perform better with 30% higher resolution. Also, XSX loads faster too.
FatKingBallman
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PS5 does perform better in this game. Btw. you've said it all, DF do not mentioned VRR in game for XSX because they want to be fair to PS5 because PS5 is weak. Yet, PS5 performs better. LOL Thanks for laughing.
PS5 also loads faster too. Watch the video again. Btw. PC version is the fastest.
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Hobbygaming
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I guess those 52 CUs need a little more resources from the GPU to run code than previously envisioned
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fighterman101
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If they enabled VRR, there will be no point in mentioning fps because XSX will be better by default and PS5 doesn't have the feature. So they have to even out the playing field to make it more "fair". Also, I don't know why you are even arguing anymore. DF clearly states XSX is better version. Straight from the article "A cut and dried Xbox Series X advantage is mitigated a little when it comes to the matter of performance".
MasterCornholio
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Of course it does. If you want you can imagine a massive difference between the two if that makes you feel better.
If that was indeed the case sales would be in favor of the XSX. Nobody would pay the same amount for a vastly inferior system that's broken.
You know what happens when a platform can't compete with another due to peformance?
Third parties start to drop support for it and only focus on the more powerful ones. Which is what's happening with the Switch.
Edit: I own a Switch and I really like it but it's missing out on a lot of current gen games. Like the new battlefield for example.
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M1chl
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That black crush.
Bernd Lauert
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Is this a full blown meltdown or can you still kick it up a notch? Just asking.
FatKingBallman
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When PS5 will have VRR, it will not make sense at all to make comparisons then. :/ So, Digital Foundry guys will loose their jobs then. :/ LOL
But anyway, thanks for the laughing. PS5 can't compete LOL
Arguing with delusional Xbox fan.
They didn't.
Oh, now you took their statement out of context. Good.
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Werewolfgrandma
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I'm too lazy to quote the quotes to show you wrong. Good day.
FatKingBallman
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Nope. Looks like Xbox fans have meltdowns. VRR, yada, yada, yada, DF won't mentioned VRR just to be nice to PS5. LOL
You literally said that DF mention VRR in pretty much every video. They don't. But please continue...
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Hitchyhero
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Perhaps Sony should get some new tools like Microsoft did
fighterman101
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Of course PS5 can't compete anymore when it comes to multiplatform games. That is why XSX have 120 fps games with better resolutions to boot. They can't use xbox series x features like VRR because they want to keep things interesting. I took their statement from their article, so how is it out of context?
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Hobbygaming
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You know they're practically the same when people have to start doing pixel math but PS5 has the better colors so
DispatchNinja
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The Xbros are out in full force 
Negotiator101
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You're complaining about someone being biased? You? Really?I would bet my balls Alex would have found a way to exalt the average higher resolution on series X in DRS over the better performance on ps5. Jeez how much predictable is himand I found a spot where series X runs better "you see it depends to the area". Good Lord this guy.
Hobbygaming
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The XSX should have black crush too then
MasterCornholio
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Could you quote where they said the PS5 was so underpowered that it can't compete with the XSX?
FatKingBallman
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LOL, PS5 can't compete anymore. rolleyes.gif What i won't read here from Xbox fans. It's a joy. Festival of spinning. Yes, it is out of context, because it is referred to XSXs GPU advantage in the text.
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fighterman101
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A cut and dried Xbox Series X advantage is mitigated a little when it comes to the matter of performance,
M1chl
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It look washed out so I doubt it, but hey beauty is in the eye of beholder. I am playing this game right now on my LG CX and it's
FatKingBallman
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He took that sentence out of context because that part of the text in the article is referred to the GPU in the end
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fighterman101
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They also said the advantage is only mitaged a little regarding performance. 1-2 fps difference and probably a random area having issues on xbox series x which will be patched out like most games. Chances are PS5 probably has areas like that too. Sorry, but you lose.
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MasterCornholio
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