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The main problem I have with this is it should have been announced at the same time as Horizon: FW if so.
They need to leave the official MLB licence behind and do their own shit like PES.This is exactly what I was warning about last year and everyone was leaving LOL reactions to my post for being chicken little. Multiplat development indicates a shift in strategy that will eventually hurt games. We have already seen this with MLB The Show getting zero next gen upgrades despite launching six months after release, despite being a first party title because they had to shift resources to make 4 xbox versions. GG devs spent six months patching up the PC version. Who is to say that it didnt cause a delay?
Those two things would not have happened if Sony didnt chase money over quality. I remember Shawn Layden saying that Bloodborne didnt do amazing sales but that was never the point. The point was to give PS4 owners an experience you couldnt have on the PS3. To reward their $400 purchase with quality exclusives instead of taking them for granted and chasing PS4, Xbox and PC users.
It's a complete shift in strategy that has already turned them into multiplatform publishers like EA, Ubisoft and Activision. They are literally opening up mobile studios and looking into creating F2P GaaS games according to the leaked sony investor presentation.
Paid for by MicroSoftAnyone remember this article?
You Still Don't Need A PlayStation 5
It’s been six months since the PlayStation 5 came out, and yet the Seto Kaiba action figure that can also run high-end video games remains comically hard to come by. For a while, this irked me. I wanted to be part of the new console generation—the zeitgeist. So I obsessively watched a Twitch...kotaku.com
Can someone find the thread please so I can look through it again?
No it doesn't matter if it's first or third party if you actually want the industry to progress forward.Are you high? Of course it makes a difference whether it’s first party or not.
First party games are meant to be bespoke for the new console. They’re meant to be showcases designed to take advantage of the latest tech. They’re meant to sell the console to people.
What the fuck is the point in buying a new console, if even the people who made it aren’t trying to use its full potential?
Also, I never thought RE8 would be next gen only. I don’t think anybody really did, did they?
It will be next gen enough for that I will enjoy playing the Ps5 version over the Ps4 version. Also I dont know why you think with the development time that they would drastically over hall the gameplay mechanic just for nextgen. Remember this game is a sequel its going to carry over characteristics from previous the PS4 game.Fine? Sure. Next gen? Nope. Why did Sony even release a ps5? Why not stay with ps4 for another 3 years? And no they don't 'need' ccross platform games. They have never really done cross platform first party games in any real capacity.
My apologies. I guess the other "exclusive" by Square Enix and Capcom are only ps5 but I don't remind the name.Kena is a cross gen game.
No it doesn't matter if it's first or third party if you actually want the industry to progress forward.
You said cross gen by itself is not an issue but Sony's messaging is, and yet at the same time you and everyone else give Capcom a pass for doing the same exact thing as Sony.
Just so you know, RDR2 is more advanced in certain areas than any Sony's first-party title on PS4, and to me it doesn't matter that it's not a first-party game that's taking advantage of certain aspect of the system as long as I get those high tech games from devs.
Oh and why did you expect RE8 to be cross gen but somehow after Horizon and Miles you thought GoW won't be? Did you not see the obvious precedent set by Sony that all the BIG first-party titles will be cross gen until PS5's install base becomes big enough for these AAA games to sell a lot on PS5 alone?
They need to but they wont. Everyone was telling us that sony was forced to do it but in their investor presentation they were boasting about how they sold the most copies ever and won NPD for the month of April.They need to leave the official MLB licence behind and do their own shit like PES.
No one will step in and make a game next year quick enough without them.
To be fair though, in the first ~6 months PS5 owners have gotten Astro’s playroom, Demon’s Souls, Returnal, and Ratchet & Clank in little over a week as next-gen only experiences. Still plenty to offer in that regard in my opinion.Anyone remember this article?
You Still Don't Need A PlayStation 5
It’s been six months since the PlayStation 5 came out, and yet the Seto Kaiba action figure that can also run high-end video games remains comically hard to come by. For a while, this irked me. I wanted to be part of the new console generation—the zeitgeist. So I obsessively watched a Twitch...kotaku.com
Can someone find the thread please so I can look through it again?
Kena is also on PS4Could swear Returnal, Ratchet and Kena runs just on ps5. And they are the more recent releases. I thought there are many other announced and not in coming, but I don't remind the whole list.
I’m triggered, but also fine again to not have to upgrade to PS5!Kena is also on PS4
Has this been confirmed anywhere? I mean I understand people being mad about crossgen but there's no need to pull stuff from our asses here.No Night / Day on GT7, no wheater too.
Just a GTSport 1.5
Thanks cross-gen...
I think you're mistaking Bloodborne with... Vib Ribbon.This is exactly what I was warning about last year and everyone was leaving LOL reactions to my post for being chicken little. Multiplat development indicates a shift in strategy that will eventually hurt games. We have already seen this with MLB The Show getting zero next gen upgrades despite launching six months after release, despite being a first party title because they had to shift resources to make 4 xbox versions. GG devs spent six months patching up the PC version. Who is to say that it didnt cause a delay?
Those two things would not have happened if Sony didnt chase money over quality. I remember Shawn Layden saying that Bloodborne didnt do amazing sales but that was never the point. The point was to give PS4 owners an experience you couldnt have on the PS3. To reward their $400 purchase with quality exclusives instead of taking them for granted and chasing PS4, Xbox and PC users.
It's a complete shift in strategy that has already turned them into multiplatform publishers like EA, Ubisoft and Activision. They are literally opening up mobile studios and looking into creating F2P GaaS games according to the leaked sony investor presentation.
And Destruction AllStars but that isn't really a good game (I didn't bother playing it).To be fair though, in the first ~6 months PS5 owners have gotten Astro’s playroom, Demon’s Souls, Returnal, and Ratchet & Clank in little over a week as next-gen only experiences. Still plenty to offer in that regard in my opinion.
It seems that the real heavy hitters are crossgen though.
GoW was revealed the same day Jim Ryan went out and said Miles and Horizon were PS4 games. GT7 was revealed six months before that. I dont think thats very honest.
It's like going on a first date and informing your date that you had covid and took the covid vaccine. Then 6 months later you tell them you have herpes and HIV as well. That's not very honest.
I think you're mistaking Bloodborne with... Vib Ribbon.
I would love to be corrected if you're referring to something else.
By the way, the whole transitioning to PC happened during the Shawn Layden days...
In an interview, Shawn Layden, chairman of Sony’s game studios worldwide, said exclusive titles will still be a part of the company’s strategy, but that some games -- particularly multiplayer titles designed to be played on personal computers -- may see broader distribution.
“We must support the PlayStation platform -- that is nonnegotiable,” Layden said. “That said, you will see in the future some titles coming out of my collection of studios which may need to lean into a wider installed base.”
Sony Agrees to Acquire Spider-Man Video-Game Developer Insomniac
Sony Corp. agreed to buy Insomniac Games Inc., the studio behind last year’s hit Marvel’s Spider-Man, as part of a push to stay competitive by acquiring independent game studios.www.bloomberg.com
When you hear your neighbour’s PS4 taking off with GoW2 in the disc drive you’ll be driving him down to Walmart yourself to pick up a couple of PS5s.I wouldve bought a ps5 for GoW, now I dont have to I guess.
Playing GoW2 on the Pro:When you hear your neighbour’s PS4 taking off with GoW2 in the disc drive you’ll be driving him down to Walmart yourself to pick up a couple of PS5s.
To be fair though, in the first ~6 months PS5 owners have gotten Astro’s playroom, Demon’s Souls, Returnal, and Ratchet & Clank in little over a week as next-gen only experiences. Still plenty to offer in that regard in my opinion.
It seems that the real heavy hitters are crossgen though.
I think he left in like... 2019?He was talking about Predator.
When you hear your neighbour’s PS4 taking off with GoW2 in the disc drive you’ll be driving him down to Walmart yourself to pick up a couple of PS5s.
I don't believe for a second that Ratchet & Clank, the most next gen looking game showed so far, is going from starting development mid-2019 to launching mid-2021. Unless the game is a 6 hour tech demo there is no fucking way.Yes, to an extent. But knowing the tools/engines that are running on a x86 dev kit and then building the game with that because at the time of starting the next project or continuing to the sequel its what you have at the time. So again games that started 2017,2018,2019 will be mostly cross gen.
Ratchet is one of the games that started mid-late 2019 and by that time they had early devkits. Anything before that would have started on devkits that targeted PS4. Anything Bend, Naughty dog, suckerpunch have been working on forward are PS5 only titles.
God of war didnt have loading screens , besides from the first initial load. With PS5 the initial will be drastically cut down. The game won't be ham strung because the gameplay is PS4 , its a sequel, there aren't going to redo their entire design for what is maybe a 3 year dev cycle. Comparing it to Xbox situation is BS.So, the bottleneck created by the PS4 HDD and the weak GPU that games have to run on won’t be issues at all?
...if Xbox Series X games will be hamstrung by having to run on last gen hardware, then exactly the same is true for Ps5.
Same shit, different companies.
Of course, even with crossgen games the PS5 version is clearly going to be superior. But for some people that’s not necessarily enough to go out and make a PS5 purchase yet.Why do people discredit being able to play a game like Spiderman MM in 60 fps with some raytracing to be something that no one cares about? The game also loads in like 2 seconds. The game is miles (pun intended) better on the PS5 then compared to the PS4 version.
That does matter too!
I’m waiting for the Slim, which will probably come out around the same time... play PS4, wait for PS5 Pro .. dont buy PS5.
The main problem I have with this is it should have been announced at the same time as Horizon: FW if so.
This is just your uninformed opinion. Plenty of ps4 games had Night / Day weather cycles. You dont know what their design spec is.No Night / Day on GT7, no wheater too.
Just a GTSport 1.5
Thanks cross-gen...
Last I checked, PS5s don't last more than a few minutes before selling out, and that's exactly why Sony isn't willing to lose potentially hundreds of millions in revenue from the PS4 user base just to appease console warriors on the internet who are more interested in list wars and whatnot.Is your argument that it’s okay for Sony to pull this shit, because Capcom also did it with RE8?
And Miles was a launch game. GoW is not.
I was super disappointed to hear Horizon was cross gen, but this latest announcement about God Of War has just made it a lot worse.
Yes, it was also wrong of Capcom to push Village as next gen only (I don’t remember that myself, but I’ll take your word for it)
...but that’s a little different from the biggest video games hardware maker in the world doing the same thing, wouldn’t you say? Given their vested interest in selling Ps5’s?
The problem is the 'journalist' who cut the sentence and put it as the title of the interview, plus included his own (wrong) assumptions in the text. If you read the complete interview focusing on what Jimbo says, he's very clear and honest, and what he says it's what they are doing: he mentions they will still support PS4 for several years and at the same time wants to see the devs using the new features that are next gen only. Which is compatible with making some crossgen games that use these features only on PS5 and other next gen only games that take more advantage of the next gen stuff.You're missing the point. Xbox had the same messaging, the new Xbox Series X also supports cool new features like Quick Resume, Optimized loading and updates visuals and 120FPS games, in addition to also supporting Xbox One, Xbox One X and Series S. People were disappointed when MS said they will continue to support the previous gen and at the same time interviewed Sony and specifically asked if they were moving on to PS5 or if they would also employ the same strategy as Xbox.
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This is a bit hyperbolic, don’t you think? Sony will still have plenty of great 1st party exclusives, cross-Gen or not.Playstation future is looking more and more like current xbox.
This is the result of clickbait journalism. People only read the bullshit headlines and then run with it. When things don't work out like they imagined they carry their pitchforks and run to Twitter.The problem is the 'journalist' who cut the sentence and put it as the title of the interview, plus included his own (wrong) assumptions in the text. If you read the complete interview focusing on what Jimbo says, he's very clear and honest, and what he says it's what they are doing: he mentions they will still support PS4 for several years and at the same time wants to see the devs using the new features that are next gen only. Which is compatible with making some crossgen games that use these features only on PS5 and other next gen only games that take more advantage of the next gen stuff.
Then many people took the title and the assumptions of the journalist and put them even more outside of content, as can be seen in this thread. Unlike MS, Sony is releasing PS5 only games. Unlike MS counting Ratchet they released like half a dozen next gen only games in the first half a year.
People is acting as if Sony wasn't releasing PS5 only games and as if they would have said they weren't going to release crossgen games. And both things are false.
No. This is a storm in a teacup all things considered.Is it me or does it feel like all hype and momentum Sony had just vanished? Is that hyperbolic to say, perhaps? Anybody else feel this way?
It's just you. I heard people saying this back in April until they saw Ratchet and Clank and the internet exploded.Is it me or does it feel like all hype and momentum Sony had just vanished? Is that hyperbolic to say, perhaps? Anybody else feel this way?
Until Ratchet comes out.Is it me or does it feel like all hype and momentum Sony had just vanished? Is that hyperbolic to say, perhaps? Anybody else feel this way?