EverydayBeast
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PS4 is still hot thanks from that support, but that shouldn’t take 3 years.
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PS4 to PS5 transition will take 3 years, more cross-gen games coming - SIE VP Hideaki Nishino confirms.
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THE DUCK
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That's all fair, and makes sense, but then why do some hardcore sony fans run around saying xbox series s is ruining next gen? You can't have it both ways.
ZywyPL
Banned
But are they next-gen only due to actual technical limitations or just a business decision? So far other than R&C there isn't anything that couldn't have been ported on PS4 by dropping down from 4K60 to 1080p30, lower res textures, turning RT off and some LOD/draw distance adjustments. Even the recent HFW. None of the games represent even a single gameplay mechanism that exceeds Jaguar CPU capabilities, they are the same old engines, running the same old code, just coated with a nice make-up from the artist, CoD4 Remaster did the exact same thing years ago, and (rightfully) no one called it a next-gen title not previously possible. So yeah, the real next-gen will start once the engines are games are made from the ground up for those Zen2 CPUs, otherwise it'll all be just the same old games, just prettier, which was already achievable years ago by just buying a PC with more than a 2TF GPU.
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Bo_Hazem
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Demon's Souls could easily be ported to any platform, but then you need to drastically change the whole data streaming system and reinvent coding to work on slower systems. That means you can't be as aggressive with high quality assets as well. It's not always just game mechanics, it's also IQ.
Then with ultra speed traversal you need as fast as possible system to keep up, so something like Star Citizen would work great with PS5, XSX, PC's with NVMe m.2. Games that will take full advantage of the system are yet to be revealed/seen, with R&C being the obvious one so far but it's still just scratching the surface of the full potential with all the customizations inside PS5. Would GOW:R be the first true one? I doubt it, I think it'll be around 2023-2024 when all engines have matured and realized.
Development would be more expensive to design for both PS5 and PS4, but then PS4 huge player base pays that back much more. Also you need to justify your console that show off your system prowess. Designing for many platforms and for lesser system will always make a serious impact on the overall game design. Horizon FW although being wonderful it's clear that it's being held back by PS4.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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I don't believe in the Series S holding back next gen, but PS4 is only going to get these big exclusives for the next year and will be phased out (which Xbox is also doing)
Series S is here to stay for the next decade
Not exactly the same thing
DenchDeckard
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My only concern is, we probably won't see true huge next gen exclusives to the likes of horizon and god of war for years now. Let's think what the huge ps4 games were. Uncharted 4, last of us 2, God of War, spiderman and horizon. I can't think of any other first party Sony games that were as big as that. That's 5 games in 8 years. I imagine the next big naughty dog game is 4 to 5 years away. With all the talk leading up to launch I really expected Sony to trail blaze next gen. Then horizon got announced as cross gen, God of War will probs be next. I'm convinced that demons souls could run on a pro at 1080p 30fps. Not sure about ratchet with the portal tech.
I'm sure it will be fine but with all the talk of the incredible IO I just doubt it will be utilised fully anytime soon. Also with the push to pc, will it ever get used fully?
Just reading some more posts, there is absolutely no way anyone can Diss the series s and call it a mistake when the current gen is now being held back by 1tf legacy systems with mechanic hdds.
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ReBurn
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But no permanent price drops. If you didn't get one in the hour or less they were available you don't get one for that price.
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Thank you.
Cross gen holding next gen back hasnt disappeared. Some devs just seem to handle cross gen better than others...
That post might as well been written 10 years ago. So much has changed since the consoles launched, lol.
It was before the consoles launched.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Thank goodness the XSS is more powerful than last generation consoles and should not pose an issue.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
What? They were literally available in the hundreds of thousands at every major retailer.
Pretty much everyone who wanted one at that price got one, there were no stock issues at all.
Md Ray
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ReBurn
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Zeroing
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Oh look, this thread turned into a console war.. who would had know?
somehow people need to write about Xbox “power” the Series S etc etc. the world doesn’t seem to care.
Also Jim did said in a interview there weren’t be any games launching for both PS4/5
anyway people keep up the fight!
somehow people need to write about Xbox “power” the Series S etc etc. the world doesn’t seem to care.
Also Jim did said in a interview there weren’t be any games launching for both PS4/5
anyway people keep up the fight!
ZoukGalaxy
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Perfect. Can't buy an PS5 anyway. Love my PS4.
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Kokoloko85
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I actually thought this was a new thread lol
dcmk7
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How many times have you written that post now?
You haven't set the bar very high.
One could argue it's akin to the level of ambition put into making the plastic box.
Quasicat
Member
Plus, we are now a single income family for awhile longer due to the cost of childcare. Eventually I’ll pick one up, but until then, I still have room on my PS4 for more games.
mckmas8808
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Believing in generations doesn't mean there wouldn't be any cross-gen games. Returnal is a PS5 exclusive.
JackMcGunns
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Xbox will have its own share of exclusives. Don’t try to change the narrative, we all heard the rhetoric, gamers thought that even Spider-Man was going to be PS5 only.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Who ever said that this was going to happen?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What narrative? You guys are seeing ghosts. The only problem people had with MS was that they stated that there wouldn't be ANY next-gen only games on the Xbox Series consoles for 1-2 years! THAT my friend was the ONLY issue.
Is that what Sony meant? Their games have to be exclusive to their platform and nothing else when talking about generations?
Umbasaborne
Banned
I mean, its tough to believe in generations when you literally cannot get the consoles into the hands of people who actually want to use them. They need to start offering back orders
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
I was having this discussion with a buddy of mine earlier. Until the PS5 is in most homes it's bad business to develop games only to cater to it. There are around 100million ps4 users and less than 20 million ps5 users. Easy math. It sucks because I am a ps5 owner and want to see the full potential without the need to cater to the last generation consoles. I understand the business side.
sendit
Member
If we are going by the beloved metric of the Teraflop crowd. X1X has more TF than the XSS.
THE DUCK
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Or if he were to take opposite approach like yourself and pretend that the Series s is far weaker than it really is? (Akin to comparing it to a plastic box)
The bar was set just fine, you just can't seem to accept what was delivered.
You sure about that want to go through the post June threads last year destroying Microsoft and praising Sony for true next-gen only games like miles morales and forbidden west. Sony used the we believe in genatations and hiding cross generation games to create backlash at Microsoft for 4 months from all sides.
AncientOrigin
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They say that for the Series S because series S is also a next gen console it will stay the same time as the series x.Sony will stop support of the PS4 after 2—3 years and the PS5 gets real exclusives from the startProblem is The series s is to low in performance and it will stay the whole gen here meaning it will drag all multi platform games down for the whole new gen, as far as I know Microsoft wants all their own games also on the series s but x is way more powerful than s it will hinder later on xbox exclusives as well not only Multiplattform games.That is the reason Some fans are against it.
Hobbygaming
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Ratchet and Clank would have to fundamentally changed to end up on the PS4. It would be a totally different game
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THE DUCK
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By the time sony is done supporting ps4 we will be half way through the generation. And you still have low end pc's dragging everything down, series s won't be any lower than a low end pc. It's not going to hinder anything.
The idea that games are somehow built to the lowest common denominator is a myth anyhow, or we'd all still be playing games at 1080p with no ray tracing at 30fps.
dcmk7
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Or if he were to take opposite approach like yourself and pretend that the Series s is far weaker than it really is? (Akin to comparing it to a plastic box)
The bar was set just fine, you just can't seem to accept what was delivered.
I don't get why anyone would be celebrating the console being better than last generations models.. the console should be able to prove that all by itself, right?
The fact that people actually need to write that statement, well over 6 months into the new gen is defensive beyond belief.
It suggests, if anything, that things aren't going well, which looking at UK stock, it isn't.
And you're right, I don't think the bar was set very high.. Did anyone ask for a HD gaming console in 2021, which in the majority of occasion's can only run games in a compromised state? Doesn't sound a next gen experience if you ask me.
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RCU005
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Exactly! More Cross-gen coming does NOT mean ALL games will be cross gen.
My bet is that all AAA games will be exclusive to PS5. AA and lower as well as third party (even AAA) will still be cross-gen.
Horizon Forbidden West was planned as a PS4 title. They began working on it since the first released and knew it was going to be a launch window game.
God of War will not be cross-gen. I don’t buy it will release in 2022. It’s going to get delayed, otherwise they wouldn’t have announced it with just a logo. There would’ve been a small teaser.
Other AAA games that Sony announce should come after 2022, so they are less likely to be cross-gen.
Just think about it logically. They know games like FIFA, Ubisoft games, Other EA games and many Japanese games will still launch on PS4 just like they were still releasing on PS3 at the time. They are speaking generally, not specifically for their own studios.
Varteras
Gold Member
Considering the PS5 is in such short supply it's the right move for Sony to ensure they have a product to sell at any given time to anyone who wants it. Giving a previous gen console a long tail is part of what allowed PS2 to achieve the sales that it did. Obviously the games will become fewer and further between. We've already clearly seen that Sony's cross-gen offerings are very limited and most of their first party studios aren't likely to make anymore PS4 games. Pixelopus, San Diego, Media Molecule, and Japan might be the exceptions after this year. They may also have contracted a number of third parties who are still making PS4 games.
Oddvintagechap
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Destruction All-Stars, Astro’s Playroom, Returnal, R&C: Rift Apart. Nevermind Demon Souls, Deathloop, Solar Ash, Stray. If Sony isnt doing next gen right, who the fuck is?
Ev1L AuRoN
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It depends on what they mean by support. I think it make it sense in a market standpoint, after all a lot of places are suffering due to the pandemic and the world economy will need some time to recover. Since both are x86 a lot of projects could be reduced to fit in the last gen constraints.
But games that rely on the new primitive engine and the I/O of the ps5 should be exclusives to the next gen. I don't believe PS4 will receive much first party blockbusters after Horizon FW and God of War Ragnarok, maybe GT7...
But games that rely on the new primitive engine and the I/O of the ps5 should be exclusives to the next gen. I don't believe PS4 will receive much first party blockbusters after Horizon FW and God of War Ragnarok, maybe GT7...
THE DUCK
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Well it does actually prove that by itself, it's just a handful of people who don't seem to understand what's actually in the hardware that typically bash it.
Your right, 6 months in it has proven it can play next gen games just fine at lower resolutions. Some with rt, some without, but 99% of the buyers don't care and are very happy with the machine. Yet it seems to be those who don't own one or never will that bash it the most.
Things are going just fine for the series s sales wise, and will continue ue to sell every single unit built by the end of 2021. They may not even need to lower the price as planned if things keep on like this with shortages.
You are measuring a "next gen" experience by what you want instead of the masses. Many buyers would see and experience the series s as a bona-fide next gen experience on thier 1080p TV, or even a smaller 4k tv since they can't see 4k. Just because you and I want or expect 4k at 60fps doesn't mean everyone does. The s is still a huge step up from an original xbox one, you can't deny that.
You keep saying compromised state, that's like saying driving a slow car vs driving a fast car is compromised, when both can be fun.
Or using a $400 tablet vs a $800 tablet, both can be fun. Or pc is even a better example, are you saying that anyone playing on less than a 2070 is in a "compromised state" (basically 75% of pc gamers? )
Memorabilia
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"We believe in generations", the thread.
SentientStone
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It seems the best time to jump into each gen now is when the slim / pro releases.
Team Andromeda
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10 Teraflops for the WIN.
martino
Member
this is what i was about to post.
Exclusive are less successful or new licenses with lesser sale potential and costing less to produce so far (for first party)
let's see if this is the criteria for games to be next gen exclusive for the next three year.
this rules only work so far
sublimit
Banned
So just like every other generation?
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