ManaByte
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Or 1 game with 16 DLCs
TLOU Remastered with MP DLCs?
Or 1 game with 16 DLCs
Even Xbox Series is there, hardware-wise... But PC? Nope. Hardware-wise (not talking about SSD here) it's not there until it gets HW-accelerated decompression like the consoles and the software isn't there yet too, but once DirectStorage comes out, it will be there. Consoles are (at least PS5 is) ready and can run games like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart that can do this today:PC is there, its just the software nobody bothered to write isn't there yet. Because nobody asked for it.
This is such a narrow-minded way of thinking.Even today there hasn't been a single game in existence that needs it. So why bother.
The same should be applicable to the Xbox, right? Or is it only true when we talk about PS?
Again, is this argument also valid for the Xbox or only when it comes to PS?
Exactly. I'm a PC only gamer myself, but honestly, I'm quite scared that the new hardware prices might really kill PC gaming at some point if it stay like this. Not everyone can afford super expensive stuff like this, this is really way above the line for most people, including me.
I bought a GTX 1080 less than a year after its release for 450€, today I couldn' thave anything at all for this price, it would only start around 550€ for a 3060 only, it's just ridiculous.
And even before this price crisis, I never really understood the "no point in buying this console if the game is on PC", and again, I say this as a PC gamer without any consoles. When I was a kid, I couldn't afford a pc, console was more accessible and I didn't even care if the game was on pc or not, I also never cared if what I was playing was an exclusive or not. I know people who play on consoles and have no interest in playing on PC, many people just prefer to get a console without bothering with a PC if they only get their hardware for only gaming.
It really depends about what people want and what they do, but there are a lot of people who will play on consoles just because they want to play on console, not just for the "exclusives".
Hey, it only works one way!No reason to have a PS5 if everything goes to the PC with better graphics.
Yes totally. Right now I'm keeping my 1080, and I will until things gets better. If it dies on me, honestly I really don't know what I would do, it would feel awful having to buy an entry model like a 60, for far more expensive than what I paid for my 80 back then.I actually much preferred PC gaming till this started happening. The 1070 was the last GPU I purchased and I just don’t know what comes next cause even with inflation these prices just don’t make sense! I could easily see 500-550 for a top end GPU, but over a grand?????? I understand that it’s largely mining related but what about us who aren’t trying to get rich with crypto? My uncle managed to get a 3090 and is paying for it mining Ethyrium. Something’s gotta give because as it stands PC gaming is becoming very boutique.
I admit my post was probably for cheap shot and GN comparison was to compare 120fps mode for 3 games.So 1060 can beat PS5. lol
I have a 1660ti which is clearly better than 1060 and a PS5. This is BS
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Yeah this is the way people should think. Many Sony fans already have a PC so the upside for them is that they’ll get their favorite Sony exclusives plus Xbox exclusives at higher fps and better graphics. Great games will get even better. What’s not to like?The best part here is that there are also Xbox console exclusives. So you have access to both Xbox exclusives AND Playstation exclusives
Street Fighter V, Halo, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim, Days Gone, Forza Horizon 4, Beyond: Two Souls, Gears 5, Death Stranding, State of Decay, Detroit: Become Human, Starfield, Deathloop, Age of Empires IV, GodFall, Sea of Thieves, Ghostwire: Tokyo, Grounded, etc
And that's on top of the PC games that will never been released on consoles.
You can still get PS exclusives several months in advance.No reason to have a PS5 if everything goes to the PC with better graphics.
Even Xbox Series is there, hardware-wise... But PC? Nope. Hardware-wise (not talking about SSD here) it's not there until it gets HW-accelerated decompression like the consoles and the software isn't there yet too, but once DirectStorage comes out, it will be there. Consoles are (at least PS5 is) ready and can run games like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart that can do this today:
This is such a narrow-minded way of thinking.
PCs had SSDs for what? 10 years now? Why do you think game load times are still crappier when we had a 5x jump in speed from HDD to SATA SSD, but load times weren't exactly 5x faster? SATA SSD to NVMe was another 5x and more and there was even less of a difference there!
If DirectStorage had existed since SSDs became mainstream on PC then every single game in existence from that point on could have taken advantage of all kinds (SATA, NVMe) of SSDs in our PC. If you went from HDD to an NVMe, you would have gotten that 12-15x faster load times, not just 2x or 2.5x! But consoles are the first to get there atm, and PC is following along.
When you eliminate game load times by taking full advantage of the NVMe you put in, that's when you will be able to do stuff that you see in RnC. Atm PC isn't taking full advantage of NVMe even though you can put faster SSD than what's found inside PS5.
Not true. If the game companies are refactoring their graphics engines for PC (ala GG for example), then Horizon: FW will be taylored to the PC as well as the PS5. Remember, while the PS5 currently can stream in assets faster than a PC can decompress and stream to VRAM, the PC has the main memory advantage and the GPU advantage. PS5 will still render the scene with less than ideal lighting/shading and resolution advantages. I'm sure that some of these games like Horizon will support DLSS on PC where there will be none on the PS5.Look I have a powerful PC myself but, all PC will be getting is the PS4 games. Anything that is made for the PS5 will not be ported to the PC for many years.
PC's today do not have a custom I/O throughput that can do up to 22 GB/s. Not even close. So PS5 will be necessary to play those games.
The real question is, can he replace it?I have a series x so there you go.
I actually much preferred PC gaming till this started happening. The 1070 was the last GPU I purchased and I just don’t know what comes next cause even with inflation these prices just don’t make sense! I could easily see 500-550 for a top end GPU, but over a grand?????? I understand that it’s largely mining related but what about us who aren’t trying to get rich with crypto? My uncle managed to get a 3090 and is paying for it mining Ethyrium. Something’s gotta give because as it stands PC gaming is becoming very boutique.
The SSD->VRAM isn't going to be much of a problem for PC. Some wish it were the case, but devs know how to extract what they need. If it's coming out on PC later, then you can bet the marketing will be enhanced graphics and faster FPS for the PC version to draw the crowds.Childish comment since it'll come out years later and they've only released PS4 games. PS5 exclusives like Ratchet & Clank require the ultra fast SSD so until the day every PC has one standard, don't expect many PS5 exclusives on PC.
This one is weird to list, because it's published by capcom and has been on pc since launch, it's not going to be part of the playstation studios page.Street Fighter V
That doesn't make them any less classical. You should have seen when these games first came to PS4 and excited people were. Is every game that comes on the PC now going to be mitigated by saying its "old" and "given out for free on PSN"?Lol. Good luck with that. So far, it's two old games that were long given out for free on PSN.
I can wait even more.*after 2 years.
Maybe.
I still think a Game like Ratchet is undoable on PC, even for the next 4 years...No reason to have a PS5 if everything goes to the PC with better graphics.
I still think a Game like Ratchet is undoable on PC, even for the next 4 years...
I'm not waiting 1 year, let alone 2 years to play the games I like the most
You were living in a cave for the whole last year ?
Eh, who gives a shit, honestly. I'm not in a rush.*after 2 years.
Maybe.
Well, until now Sony only published PS4 games on Steam and said they have more PS4 games coming to Steam.No reason to have a PS5 if everything goes to the PC with better graphics.
I think one point too is the performance on PS5 and how PS4 games can an will continue to perform better on PS5. What benefits are you getting by waiting. Before pc could play a 1080p @30fps game at higher res @60 fps. But we’re already seeing that on PS5.Well, until now Sony only published PS4 games on Steam and said they have more PS4 games coming to Steam.
PS4 games, not PS5 games. So until they change their mind, their PS5 games remain as PS5 only (with MLB as exception). I assume they will wait many years to release their PS5 only games on PC, until the average mainstream PC has enough GPU, SSD and I/O to run them.
No, but I think you still do. You realize games and developed and programmed on a PC first and foremost right? Or are you that guillable and naive to believe anything press releases and marketing PR tells you when they trying to convince you and the rest of the gaming fans to buy their products?You were living in a cave for the whole last year ?
Even Xbox Series is there, hardware-wise... But PC? Nope. Hardware-wise (not talking about SSD here) it's not there until it gets HW-accelerated decompression like the consoles and the software isn't there yet too, but once DirectStorage comes out, it will be there. Consoles are (at least PS5 is) ready and can run games like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart that can do this today:
This is such a narrow-minded way of thinking.
PCs had SSDs for what? 10 years now? Why do you think game load times are still crappier when we had a 5x jump in speed from HDD to SATA SSD, but load times weren't exactly 5x faster? SATA SSD to NVMe was another 5x and more and there was even less of a difference there!
If DirectStorage had existed since SSDs became mainstream on PC then every single game in existence from that point on could have taken advantage of all kinds (SATA, NVMe) of SSDs in our PC. If you went from HDD to an NVMe, you would have gotten that 12-15x faster load times, not just 2x or 2.5x! But consoles are the first to get there atm, and PC is following along.
When you eliminate game load times by taking full advantage of the NVMe you put in, that's when you will be able to do stuff that you see in RnC. Atm PC isn't taking full advantage of NVMe even though you can put faster SSD than what's found inside PS5.
For what?How much do you want to bet?
I still think a Game like Ratchet is undoable on PC, even for the next 4 years...
Hmm what PC games?And that's on top of the PC games that will never been released on consoles.
For PC not being ready.For what?
Sure, pal. Go ahead and bet with Microsoft's senior program manager lead then because that's who said it.For PC not being ready.
but this is years from when games premier on Playstation.No reason to have a PS5 if everything goes to the PC with better graphics.
You can still get PS exclusives several months in advance.
Yea, not going to be years. People think it's years because they are counting the time the PS4 game came out and assume that the developers knew they would be porting to PC at the time development began. That is not the case. The decision to port PC came down after HZ and other games were released. That's why companies like ND are going back and refactoring their engine to support PC releases. I'd say now after that decision 1yr would be tops in my opinion. We'll see.Only months, not years?
So... Triggered! You have anything to argue against the facts?So typical, so retarded, so old...
Sure, pal. Go ahead and bet with Microsoft's senior program manager lead then because that's who said it.
And watch this presentation and educate yourself while you're at it.
That'd be great. I for one can't wait to see more PlayStation games on PC. But I don't see a game like Rift Apart releasing on PC for a long, long time though. We'll see.Did you watch the presentation? DirectStorage preview goes out to game developers this summer, so that they can report any bugs they experience. Final release is then maybe tail end of this year, which would line up perfectly for a PC Port of Ratchet and Clank, assuming Sony wants to keep it a PS5 exclusive for half a year.
Yes and there should be zero reason why linking accounts can't happen again. Yes, again.Sony REALLY needs to allow PSN sign-in on their PC games and syncing of save games. That's one of the best things about MS games on PC/Xbox.