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Epic Games vs Apple in court face off INCLUDING Tim Sweeney , LIVE !!!
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IntentionalPun
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OK.. yeah I noticed that recently; I assumed Amazon bit the bullet and just took the 30% cut.
Amazon Prime Video now lets users buy TV shows and movies in the app, seemingly struck special deal with Apple - 9to5Mac
Update: In a statement, Apple told 9to5Mac that it has an “established program for premium subscription video entertainment providers” and...9to5mac.com
The statement was about Amazon Prime though, and the Prime app.. Prime Video is separate..
That's interesting stuff; but the article is contradicting what Apple said, claiming it's a special deal with Amazon, when Apple claims it was an existing option that Amazon tied into.
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Andodalf
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The US is the one place a megacorp like Apple could keep their platform this closed. In the EU they'd be forced to open things up, exactly like on PC or even Mac.
IntentionalPun
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Yeah prime video isn't prime so I was confused.
I don't see how the difference between physical and digital is really that hard to understand though.. a digital product is something consumed on the iOS device, downloaded to it, etc.
IntentionalPun
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They operate in the EU and are bound by their laws as well...
Deaconstanjesusman
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Amazon doesn’t have a special deal. Apple allow video platforms that rent or allow movie purchases to bypass their payment platform. So Amazon offers video rentals and movie purchases for individual titles. They can bypass the payment method. Same for YouTube.
WelshBluebird
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Why?
Why is video treated different to other digital goods?
It's totally arbitrary and up to Apple's whim. That is the problem.
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It was kinda special at the time (had 3 companies) and currently is upto 130 worldwide but its still a specific list of providers.
Deaconstanjesusman
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Probably because Amazon/providers don’t make the movie and have to pay to licence it while epic makes the skirt that you’re purchasing for your character.
don’t like it? Get an android. Or purchase it on another medium and use it on iOS.
people acting like Apple customers are surprised. We know. We prefer it this way. Otherwise we’d be on android. I don’t want another store, I like using apples payment systems.
Companies will exploit what they can. In Australia a lot of banks wanted nfc opened so you would have to use their cumbersome apps to pay for things. Now they’re all on Apple Pay. Much simpler system. Would they have used Apple Pay if they were allowed the nfc chip? Not a chance
A.Romero
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There is probably no legal argument but a business model decision. If they close Windows, alternatives will spring. Not the same with iOS where no one can make another OS for those devices.
Windows is pretty much everywhere in enterprise.
onesvenus
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Isn't that the same thing XCloud, Stadia and GeForce now does? Those apps were rejected
Andodalf
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And they’re about to get assblasted
Deaconstanjesusman
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Apple need to fix this issue. They want every game rated and available seperately. Hopefully they sort it out
saintjules
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Krizalidx11
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Oh boy, i wonder what will MS do to shake both companies for their interest, Epic games seems to be the better evil for MS since they're way smaller than Apple
Zoro7
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Don’t forget your lubricant and tissues Tom.
dem
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Microsoft is a services company now.
They want access to sell services on all platforms. Of course they want Apple to get out of their way.. and pay them nothing. There is no question as to who's side they are on.
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IntentionalPun
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We'll see; but they aren't going to have their walled garden totally torn down by competing storefronts or any of that jazz.
And it continues to not make any sense why consoles get the pass.
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ManaByte
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As shocking as it is to some people here, there are millions of people who really like the game.
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It wasn't that, it was the way it was being said.........
A.Romero
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I'm enjoying all the documentation that has come off this case a lot. I wish I had a way to enter into the business side of things, really interesting stuff.
I'm really curious what Microsoft will say about it. On one side, their store fell flat on PC and their phones never took off but they did try to get into the business so they understand how difficult it is to achieve success there. On the other side, they still have a stake at not letting other stores and alternate payment methods on their own ecosystem. They know this will set a precedent that can bite them in the ass in the future.
My bet is that Microsoft would support Apple in this case and would feel like a slut afterwards.
I'm really curious what Microsoft will say about it. On one side, their store fell flat on PC and their phones never took off but they did try to get into the business so they understand how difficult it is to achieve success there. On the other side, they still have a stake at not letting other stores and alternate payment methods on their own ecosystem. They know this will set a precedent that can bite them in the ass in the future.
My bet is that Microsoft would support Apple in this case and would feel like a slut afterwards.
Andodalf
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Consoles aren't general computing devices. Epic Games is like, a tiny, tiny portion of the issues a closed garden cause when it's most peoples primary computing device.
StreetsofBeige
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Even within the business PC sector, MS excels at server stuff, MS Office, Skype/Teams, what else? Who knows. That's all I see.
All hardcore database programs, transactions, inventory, demand planning etc.... are all done by other companies like SAP, Oracle, COGNOS, Manugistics , Photoshop, Hyperion etc... I don't think I've ever seen MS software for the user beyond Office and communications.
So just because MS is a giant software company, they can only do so much.
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A.Romero
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They are leaders on the OS and Office space and an important player in the Database world.
Microsoft Dynamics is one of the most popular ERP's in the market too. Microsoft Azure is a big player (and that involves several services that will only increase in size and importance in the future).
I mean, you are right. They are not omnipotent and they have failed in the past. I'm mostly curious because I love gaming and Microsoft is a big player. Whatever they do will impact the industry.
Demigod Mac
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OUCH.
Even one of Epics drunk lawyers will be able to punch a hole in this consoles are not general compute excuses. They used to be specialised when they only ran when a cartridge or disc was inserted but that ship has sailed.
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Andodalf
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- access the internet (Kinda?)
- browse the world wide web (WWW) (Not really)
- use word processing software (Absolutley not)
- play games (Yes!)
- communicate via email and social media (Nah)
- design and build web pages (Nope)
- store and retrieve data (Nah)
- play videos and music (yes)
Just playing games and music and kinda having a browser doesn't make a console a general computing device. No one can reasonably compare the two
It's not a specialised piece of hardware as soon as you can prove it does other things. It doesn't need to do everything, like no one is doing word processing and web design on a phone either.
It can access the internet and you need to to access the console store to download music and video streaming apps
You can browse the internet, doesn't matter if using the onscreen keyboard is a drag (you could plug a keyboard in though)
You can send messages to people while outside game, you can also voice chat not ingame.
Can stream games, watch videos, listen to music.
If you have a device that you could connect a keyboard to, load a web browser and go to google or ms office online pages and type up a document isn't general computing then you could probably argue a mobile phone isn't general compute device either.
General enough ?
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Andodalf
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I've written papers in Docs on my phone. On a dedicated app. With no workaround. It's a computer full stop.
nordique
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Chiggs
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The EU assblasts any large business. Too bad they won’t get to assblast China because they’ll be spread eagle on Xi’s desk.
smbu2000
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Consoles have always been able to do more than just play games.
You could do BASIC programming on the Famicom (NES) in 1984. You could do your banking with the Mega Drive in 1990. You could do Word Processing on a Sega Saturn in 1996.
That’s not even getting into the “Other OS” on the PS3 that you could install a full fledged operating system (Linux) on it.
How is that not a computer?
Investor9872
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This is absolutely nuts. If Epic doesn't like Apple's terms or anyone else's for that matter, then they don't have to sell their games on those platforms. This is what happen when you're living in an entitlement society nowadays!
anthony2690
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I just had a thought, will some of these third party companies involved in this potentially sue epic afterwards?
Due to epics emails there has been a lot of stuff leaked, some I could imagine being under NDA, and other stuff.
Well I assume it is epics fault as it is epics emails.
Due to epics emails there has been a lot of stuff leaked, some I could imagine being under NDA, and other stuff.
Well I assume it is epics fault as it is epics emails.
Menzies
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No. Epic is not leaking these documents. They came to court with these sealed documents as they were subpoenaed. The courts fucked up by scanning sealed documents, instead of only exhibits for public record.
Epic vs. Apple Shows the Courts Were Not Prepared for the Games Industry's Obsessive Secrecy - IGN
It's only the second day of Epic and Apple going head-to-head, and it's already clear that the United States court system was not prepared for the overly secretive gaming industry.
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anthony2690
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Ah okay, guess we all got lucky with what got leaked then, some of it was genuinely interesting.
Crimson_Fate
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Apple can charge whatever they want but they have to charge everyone the same. They can't allow some apps to be free and then allow purchases outside of ther store and the 30% fee but then turn around and make other developers pay 30% on everything and not allow an external store.
This is what they are doing with Amazon. They do not charge Amazon 30% on all its sales in-app they allow Amazon to use their own store. This is where Apple's argument falls apart.
Primarily consumed, and it's not true for all of their rules unfortunately, it feels a bit weird and random; that a digital game is charge differently than a digital video.
This MS expert is great imo.
IntentionalPun
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For sure; but.. I was talking about the Amazon Prime app that sells physical goods.. taking a cut of that would be like taking a cut of things sold on the Target app, or the Walmart app.
The reason Apple has a distinction for games is... probably fairly simple. It's the majority of their app store revenue, and really a huge part of the companies overall profit lol Nothing to do with logic really.
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Zeroing
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Yes and it’s painting a very disturbing reality about three gaming industry. Did any of the Apple documents got leaked?
Emails reveal Apple's attempts to stop Netflix from dropping App Store In-App Purchase support - 9to5Mac
New internal emails and presentation documents revealed as part of the Epic vs. Apple show how Apple attempted to convince...
9to5mac.com
Oliver questioned whether Apple should take any “punitive measures” in response to Netflix’s planned test to remove IAP support in certain markets. “Do we want to take any punitive measures in response to the test (for examples, pulling all global featuring during the test period)?”
Not the greatest wording
ape2man
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Emails reveal Apple's attempts to stop Netflix from dropping App Store In-App Purchase support - 9to5Mac
New internal emails and presentation documents revealed as part of the Epic vs. Apple show how Apple attempted to convince...
Oliver questioned whether Apple should take any “punitive measures” in response to Netflix’s planned test to remove IAP support in certain markets. “Do we want to take any punitive measures in response to the test (for examples, pulling all global featuring during the test period)?”
Not the greatest wording
That is some mis use of their position right their. The only thing epic has to convince the judge is if apple has a market monopoly.
Unknown Soldier
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Really? So why are Microsoft, Sony, Google, and Facebook (Oculus) allowed to operate in the EU?
Nvidia we can excuse, they have literally no idea why they were even summoned here. They sell video cards and shit. What the fuck do they know about Apple's App Store?
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