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Xbox portfolio team on TLOU2
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Silent Viper
Banned
Such team exists in every company. It just MS shit got leaked
Interesting quote from review
Hehe true imo
Silent Viper
Banned
Dont get mad boy. Accept the fact, that it just not good. Gunplay is serviceable at its best
Negotiator101
Member
Halo 5 is up there with Destiny as far as shooting mechanics go. Gears has brilliant gunplay, TLOU2 has better gunplay than the first one and is visceral but is certainly not best in class (absolutely absurd thing to say from one of the other posters here). MP3 is best in class.
TBiddy
Member
Them looking at what one of their competitors does right to learn from it = not a good look for their incoming games?
That has got to be one of the worst takes in recent Gaf memory.
The investment that people have into liking/hating companies (not people) is weird but ehh.
TBiddy
Member
It's mindboggling. Imagine having that much hate for a plastic box.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yeah I don't get it either.I like sony's games way more than Xbox's but if they start to make games inspired by sony's catalog then I'll just have more game that I want to play, I honestly can't see the downside there.
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
Yeah but who cares about his opinion?
He's only focused on the technical aspect of how something was achived, not at all intereted in the final result aka. the overall visual experience delivered.
Shmunter
Member
Really? Wow, I’m a low latency COD bitch and found TLOU2 gunplay full class for a 3rd person game.
It’s ok to have opinions I guess, even far out ones.
Rolla
Banned
I wonder what he'll say to me about Microsoft's internal document and more importantly, their own words?
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
He could argue that MS has no idea about that stuff....dunno I might agree with him on that
rickybooby87
Member
Well, at least internally they aren't completely delusional to the reality/current situation on the ground. But, I'd hope that if MS really cares about these types of studies internally, that they'd strive to reach the same level of game design (Quality). The next 1-2 years will be a telling time for sure as we all know they have a lot of irons in the fire.
Banjo64
cumsessed
In terms of LOD for sure.
I think in particular Phil Spencer has name dropped Horizon Zero Dawn a couple of times (usually alongside Breath of the Wild) as a mark of quality, and I agree with him.
TBiddy
Member
Since it's considered one of the best games ever (based on metascore at least), they would be silly not to.
Fashionably Late
Neo Member
I think the comment about gunplay is not being looked at in the correct context. This review was meant for internal consumption, not to give it a score for metacritic or as clickbait for some shitty website. The purpose is to point out which parts of the game should be influential to first party developers. For this particular game, there are actually a lot of high watermarks for the medium itself and those are all praised effusively (art, graphics, animation, narration, etc.). Of course people can have their own opinions on the gunplay, but there are better examples out there and this is not something Microsoft wants their teams to emulate. I'm curious to see how widely these types of reviews are distributed within Microsoft and what other deeper analysis goes on because I think this type of objective view of your rival is a healthy sign of competition.
SoraNoKuni
Member
Comparing Gears with TLOU2, how is that even a comparison in regards of characters, weaponry, Story Telling etc, the general aesthetics of those games is completely different and deliver a completely different experience.
I prefer Gears gunplay but that's the point, the game has been developed with gunplay at it's core, In TLOU on the other hand it comes second after the animations and the different kind of feelings they want to communicate to the player.
I prefer Gears gunplay but that's the point, the game has been developed with gunplay at it's core, In TLOU on the other hand it comes second after the animations and the different kind of feelings they want to communicate to the player.
Shmunter
Member
TBiddy, you’re going to soil yourself when you finally get the PS5. Let’s hope they’ve released an even better version for the hardware by then.
TBiddy
Member
I'll make sure to document and share in our private chat room. And yes, fingers crossed for a next-gen patch!
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Why is it not good?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
kyliethicc
Member
Let's give that BS a shot:
Gears of War looks like a 360 game in comparison lol.
Goalus
Member
Gears 5 is the best in the series if you ask me.
Its story completes a story arc that was started twelve years ago in Gears 2, and we are in the second generation of characters since the saga started (if we count off-screen characters/NPCs like Adam Fenix and Helena Stroud, we are in the third generation already). That is some impressive lore building which has happened over the past 15 years which is why I'm happy that Gears wasn't put to rest after part 3.
My dream scenario - after the current story arc is finished - would be swarm/locust and humans becoming friends, and after another generation has passed they fight together as allies against a new threat (that might even come from outer space if nothing else makes sense).
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Same idea came to mind, it's so extremely regressive. TLOU2 has the best gunfight gameplay in any 3rd person game out there after The Order 1886.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that TLOU gunplay is "serviceable at best". Not many, if at all, has been able to nail down the mechanics that allows you to smoothly transition to gunplay, cover shooting, melee combat, environmental interaction (jumping over objects, running through doors, going prone etc.). It's all so fluid.
sainraja
Member
Let's give that BS a shot:
People can say what they want about how gunplay is done in TLOU but from the videos above (and my own play-through of both games), I enjoyed TLOU: P2 a lot more. I was also relying on gun combat alot more towards the final few chapters. Fluidity in combat goes a long way and ND nails that in their games.
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harmny
Banned
Doom is made by xbox studios
Bo_Hazem
Banned
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Similarities between TLOU and Gears are there I’ll admit Gears has the better gameplay but Naughty Dog overall is really good trust me their stories and characters (Joel) leap off the screen.
mxbison
Member
Who makes the facts? You?
If people weren't so butthurt about the story and characters, I'm sure more would agree that TLOU2 has excellent combat.
Not everyone sees sitting behind a wall and pumping 300 bullets per encounter into enemies as "best in class".
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sainraja
Member
Not sure what point you are trying to make here but the game was fun. It just didn't do everything the same way as Smash and people didn't like that (specifically the knockout factor, if I am recalling correctly.)
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abel empire
Banned
Playstation studios exclusives production quality and technology are far beyond any studios out there. This is as obvious as the sun. Denying this at this poont is just insanity.From the court documents on the case about Epic vs Apple comes this image. A review by the Xbox portfolio team (whoever they might be) about the last of us 2.
There are some curious tidbits there as them downplaying the gunplay (which I agree has never been ND biggest point) and them saying that should be what they aim to do on the next gen.
Calverz
Member
The point is all platform companies will continually assess the competition and react accordingly.
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abel empire
Banned
Which exclusive from microsoft, i bet even microsoft workers dont play much microsoft exclusives
but seriously ive never been impressed by microsoft exclusives since the first gears of war but thats epic games, technology wise only forza is comparable to ps exclusives quality and flight sim but nothing else.
PooBone
Member
The game won countless GOTY awards and made tons of money. It felt good and was very immersive, not a bad product to suggest your team take inspiration from.From the court documents on the case about Epic vs Apple comes this image. A review by the Xbox portfolio team (whoever they might be) about the last of us 2.
There are some curious tidbits there as them downplaying the gunplay (which I agree has never been ND biggest point) and them saying that should be what they aim to do on the next gen.
Interfectum
Member
I agree agree that while I loved TLoU 1 and 2, didn't even mind Abby sorry bros, I really never enjoyed the gunplay in those games. I'm not sure what they are going for but it's not really fun. It's not hard or even bad, just not enjoyable.
vaibhavpisal
Member
If their comments regarding shooting mechanics are inaccurate, maybe we should disregard the praise as well ?
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
Calling the gunplay not even decent is strange to me. Sure, it's not the best in any game ever, but I find it pretty damn good. Definitely more than decent.
Krizalidx11
Banned
It has to be the motion blur NDG likes to overuse in all their games, it wowed MS to tears
Edgelord79
Gold Member
It was a good review. The gunplay was basic and rudimentary I agree, however they intimated that wasn't the point of the game. Visuals were top notch.
Basically fair critique and lots of praise. Of course, to some this game must be the best at all things or their world view will be shattered. On the other hand to others this game is "the worst" which is equally ludicrous.
Game wasn't for me, but I can recognize that it was exceptional in some areas.
Basically fair critique and lots of praise. Of course, to some this game must be the best at all things or their world view will be shattered. On the other hand to others this game is "the worst" which is equally ludicrous.
Game wasn't for me, but I can recognize that it was exceptional in some areas.
sainraja
Member
If we were all children, behaving like that would make sense (oh if you don't like this then you must also not like that!!!) but people can read through something and make their own judgement on whether or not it makes sense. Having played the game and seen others run through the game online as demo'ed by one of the videos posted by Bo Hazem, people are disagreeing with the gunplay comment with good reason. They are off the mark.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
How come they got so much right but goofed up one minor thing? Sounds suspicious.
They must've made other mistakes too.
I guarantee you there are people on here today that will be pissed because the leaked document doesn't have Xbox shitting all over the Sony title. The fanboy mentally is too strong with some people.
Pull your pants up, your fanboy is hanging out.
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Can’t have the encounters you have in tlou 2 in max Payne 3 though. I agree mp3 is wildly underrated in how amazing the gameplay was but the last of us 2 was one of the craziest and most heart pounding gameplay loops out there.
"No decent gunplay"
Reads so out of touch, i guess this is how those committee games end up being so out of touch and then wonder why they failed.
Such mediocre combat, am i right?
The last of us 2 mp if it’s done right will sell as many ps5 units as any Microsoft mp title save for halo mainly due to its history as a franchise. People can ignore that fact if it makes them sad all they want.