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[IntentionalPun]

long story short. apple got fuck all in gaming..

Apple is fourth largest gaming company globally, thanks to the iPhone | AppleInsider

Apple is the fourth-biggest public gaming company in the world, according to a report by analysts at Newzoo, with the continued rise of mobile gaming and its operation of the App Store helping the iPhone maker beat other games industry mainstays, including EA and Nintendo.

appleinsider.com

Apple is considered larger in gaming than Nintendo; they just sit back and rake in the money from the App Store.

 

[mckmas8808]

Apple is fourth largest gaming company globally, thanks to the iPhone | AppleInsider

Apple is the fourth-biggest public gaming company in the world, according to a report by analysts at Newzoo, with the continued rise of mobile gaming and its operation of the App Store helping the iPhone maker beat other games industry mainstays, including EA and Nintendo.

appleinsider.com

Apple is considered larger in gaming than Nintendo; they just sit back and rake in the money from the App Store.

That's not gaming and you know it.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Sure they could, and I wish they would so it would push Nintendo to go harder. But I doubt they will.

Apple constantly feels like they don't understand anything more than mobile gaming and similar. Feels like they potentially never will. App store money will constantly come in because of mobile gaming, but that's about it. A good steady flow with a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" kind of attitude.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

It's amazing how people think Apple discovered ARM based processor. Apple does not have exclusive access to ARM cores and if ARM cores are worth the hassle ( no more backward compatibility ) then Sony and MS can make a console on it.

? I think you are the one who’s mistaken. Nobody is saying that Apple “discovered” ARM and nobody is saying that Sony/MS/whoever couldn’t make their own ARM-based console.

There are different ARM licenses. You can license a specific ARM CPU design (the “Cortex” CPU) or you can get a license to build your own custo CPU that implements the ARM ISA.

The latter is what M1 has, and its head-and-shoulders above anybody else’s ARM-based design.

 

[jufonuk]

They have. Apple is already the fourth largest game company in the world without publishing a single game.

By your reckoning MS is the largest then.

 

[llien]

But the chip is pretty insane as a mobile chip.

By which metric, sigh.

Apple is considered larger in gaming than Nintendo; they just sit back and rake in the money from the App Store.

That's a point in EPIC lawsuit.

 

[Spukc]

Apple is fourth largest gaming company globally, thanks to the iPhone | AppleInsider

Apple is the fourth-biggest public gaming company in the world, according to a report by analysts at Newzoo, with the continued rise of mobile gaming and its operation of the App Store helping the iPhone maker beat other games industry mainstays, including EA and Nintendo.

appleinsider.com

Apple is considered larger in gaming than Nintendo; they just sit back and rake in the money from the App Store.

not gaming according to most on GAF

 

[Punished Miku]

Good luck lol.

Anyway, you guys remember Stadia?

 

[Interfectum]

That's not gaming and you know it.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

PCs have the best software library, so I'm sure they will obliterate consoles any day now.

It's almost as if tons of people want relatively cheap dedicated devices for gaming.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Will be waiting for their launch lineup of 1st party IPS that are fun, do not suck, do not have microtransactions and make me forget Mario and Zelda ever existed.

 

[IntentionalPun]

By which metric, sigh.

Every metric compared to chips in it's arena (incredibly low powered mobile oriented chips), le sigh.

The M1 dominates other ARM chips. It dominates the Intel X1. There aren't other chips in the watt range of the M1/other ARM to compare it to.

(no Zen 3 @ ~35 watts is not a good comparison)

I think AMD could do something great in that 10-20 watt range but we haven't seen it yet.

 

[mckmas8808]

You aren't being honest. Games bought on Windows PCs should be counted toward MS too then right?

 

[IntentionalPun]

You aren't being honest. Games bought on Windows PCs should be counted toward MS too then right?

Apple takes a 30% cut on all games sold on iOS...

So bad comparison.. it's literally directly comparable to how Microsoft and Sony make most of their money on their consoles..

MS only gets money when games are sold on Windows Store, and they only take like a 5% cut.. and everyone knows, nothing fucking sells there lol

 

[Interfectum]

You aren't being honest. Games bought on Windows PCs should be counted toward MS too then right?

Now who isn't being honest.

Apple runs the store and takes a cut of every game sold on iOS. It's no different than PSN or Xbox store on consoles or Steam.

 

[reksveks]

Marketshare will always be the determining factor when someone says, "X company is dominating the market place in Business Y". It's the only way to compare. No real honest person believes that Apple could wipe the floor against Nintendo and Sony in the video game market. NOBODY!

Lets be honest.

Not sure really about marketshare being the key factor when you say dominates especially in an world when apple makes close to 66/70 of the profits. Apple dominates mindshare of consumers and developers.

In terms of them entering video game market, I don't see it working out well for them unless as mentioned before they start doing some emulation tricks to emulate x86 for games. Otherwise the library won't be there.

 

[Interfectum]

Marketshare will always be the determining factor when someone says, "X company is dominating the market place in Business Y". It's the only way to compare. No real honest person believes that Apple could wipe the floor against Nintendo and Sony in the video game market. NOBODY!

Lets be honest.

They could but they won't. There's nothing to be gained from dominating the console space. The profits Sony and Nintendo make with their blood sweat and tears is peanuts to Apple, why would they bother?

The only reason Microsoft is all is due to Phil riding the Azure train with the CEO.

 

[reksveks]

It's amazing how people think Apple discovered ARM based processor. Apple does not have exclusive access to ARM cores and if ARM cores are worth the hassle ( no more backward compatibility ) then Sony and MS can make a console on it.

No just everyone else current ARM offering us a piece of shit in comparison at the moment

 

[Interfectum]

Not sure really about marketshare being the key factor when you say dominates especially in an world when apple makes close to 66/70 of the profits. Apple dominates mindshare of consumers and developers.

In terms of them entering video game market, I don't see it working out well for them unless as mentioned before they start doing some emulation tricks to emulate x86 for games. Otherwise the library won't be there.

The key to winning in the console space is known IP. Gamers love their remakes and remasters. Apple would have to buy up massive amounts of IP to make any headway but there's no way their shareholders would accept it.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

They could but they won't. There's nothing to be gained from dominating the console space. The profits Sony and Nintendo make with their blood sweat and tears is peanuts to Apple, why would they bother?

The only reason Microsoft is all is due to Phil riding the Azure train with the CEO.

Yup, I’d wager the profits Apple makes from iOS gaming already dominates MS/Sony.

Granted, most of those games are not the kind of games I want to play. But I will say that Apple Arcade is a huge step toward making mobile gaming into a proper, respectable gaming platform.

Hell, we could even hypothetically see Apple make some massive gaming studio purchase just to use it as a value-add for Apple Arcade, much like MS does for Gamepass.

 

[Razvedka]

Who's going to pay $799 for an Apple handheld though?

This to me is the short circuit to the entire argument. Apple would never accept the price point and margins of dedicated gaming consoles (tho I am sure Nintendo has better margins per unit than MS or Sony). Psychologically, humans equate cost to quality (not always! but this holds true in studies and real life observation) and Apple loves their enormous profit margins.

So they'd never go cheap as they'd think it would hurt their brand image, even if they made a fat profit per unit.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Not sure really about marketshare being the key factor when you say dominates especially in an world when apple makes close to 66/70 of the profits. Apple dominates mindshare of consumers and developers.

In terms of them entering video game market, I don't see it working out well for them unless as mentioned before they start doing some emulation tricks to emulate x86 for games. Otherwise the library won't be there.

Apple made roughly $70 billion in revenue from the App Store in 2020. Roughly 65% of that revenue is from games being sold, or MTX.

If anything people are underestimating Apple's market share of companies in gaming.. they also profit handsomely on all the hardware they sell.. profit wise, they DWARF anyone else in gaming, by a longggg shot.

They are among the market leaders in gaming in the continually growing mobile app market, hence why Microsoft and Amazon are so keen on getting their streaming services on iOS via web browser.. hence why Apple is so keen on blocking those services from iOS (unless they also release all of their games on iPhone, or have their sub service paid for from iPhone.)

But from the context of this thread.. Apple probably isn't interested in a traditional handheld console.. why in the world would they be? All the other guys wish they had their gaming revenue so easily.

 

[Rat Rage]

In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.

Michael Pachter, HIRE THIS MAN!!!

 

[reksveks]

Apple made roughly $70 billion in revenue from the App Store in 2020. Roughly 65% of that revenue is from games being sold, or MTX.

If anything people are underestimating Apple's market share of companies in gaming.. they also profit handsomely on all the hardware they sell.. profit wise, they DWARF anyone else in gaming, by a longggg shot.

They are among the market leaders in gaming in the continually growing mobile app market, hence why Microsoft and Amazon are so keen on getting their streaming services on iOS via web browser.. hence why Apple is so keen on blocking those services from iOS (unless they also release all of their games on iPhone, or have their sub service paid for from iPhone.)

But from the context of this thread.. Apple probably isn't interested in a traditional handheld console.. why in the world would they be? All the other guys wish they had their gaming revenue so easily.

Just referring to them transitioning the games on consoles to their devices. We typically don't see alot of successful £30+ app on the app store but yeah in terms of pure gaming numbers they are like number two and in terms of hardware margin %, #1 at least in the consumer space (barring some headphone companies).

I think their motives could get a bit more interesting if Apple is forced to be a bit more open but suspect that the likes of Candy Crush and the other high revenue games audience isn't going to leave for another 'store' on the app.

 

[llien]

incredibly low powered mobile oriented chips

There is nothing "increadibly low" about consuming 24W on average (under MT load)

Every metric

Yeah, right:

beaten by 4800u that is:
1) outdated
2) smaller (10 billion transistors vs 16)
3) uses inferior node process (7nm vs 5nm)

 

[MrSarcastic]

Why would you want all this power if you are going to make barely interactive filmic games? It's like people having a 3080 to play Among us or Fornite.

 

[IntentionalPun]

There is nothing "increadibly low" about consuming 24W on average (under MT load)


Yeah, right:

beaten by 4800u that is:
1) outdated
2) smaller (10 billion transistors vs 16)
3) uses inferior node process (7nm vs 5nm)

Do you know what Rosetta2 is?

That's an x86 test being run on ARM via Apple's backwards compatability...

How does the 4800u do running software written for ARM?

 

[ColdAfternoon]

By your reckoning MS is the largest then.

Did I say fourth? My bad, I meant third.

Top Public Video Game Companies | By Revenue | Newzoo

Newzoo's Top Video Game Companies ranking is updated every quarter. Features the top public video game companies by revenues.

newzoo.com

 

[Fredrik]

Do it, and buy Mistwalker so I get more games like Fantasian!

 

[namekuseijin]

RAD is now an Oculus studio. these new platforms are all trying to displace the old ones.

In any case, phones displaced consoles a long while ago - most people in the world play on phones than on consoles. But yeah, they probably hate it and dream of a console...

 

[IntentionalPun]

There is nothing "increadibly low" about consuming 24W on average (under MT load)

What in the world are you talking about dude? lol

The CPU does not use 24W.

 

[mckmas8808]

Now who isn't being honest.

Apple runs the store and takes a cut of every game sold on iOS. It's no different than PSN or Xbox store on consoles or Steam.

You know what we mean when we say "Gaming". Just stop it.

Not sure really about marketshare being the key factor when you say dominates especially in an world when apple makes close to 66/70 of the profits. Apple dominates mindshare of consumers and developers.

In terms of them entering video game market, I don't see it working out well for them unless as mentioned before they start doing some emulation tricks to emulate x86 for games. Otherwise the library won't be there.

Profits are great for corporations and the stock holders. But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about mindshare and marketshare. Nobody and I mean NOBODY thinks about Apple when it comes to video games conversations. And yes, the library (as you said) isn't there for them.

They could but they won't. There's nothing to be gained from dominating the console space. The profits Sony and Nintendo make with their blood sweat and tears is peanuts to Apple, why would they bother?

The only reason Microsoft is all is due to Phil riding the Azure train with the CEO.

Some of you are acting like Apple die hard fans. If Apple could dominate the video gaming space and take the crowns from Nintendo and Sony they would. They can't, because the cost is too high at this point. Plus the competition is too stiff. They can't make any gaming hardware that could compete with MS, Nintendo, or Sony that would cost $500 or less and you know it.

 

[mckmas8808]

But from the context of this thread.. Apple probably isn't interested in a traditional handheld console.. why in the world would they be? All the other guys wish they had their gaming revenue so easily.

And yet nobody in the gaming community cares about Apple's part in this space. It isn't the same and you know it. It's like comparing Indy cars to go-karts.

 

[Interfectum]

And yet nobody in the gaming community cares about Apple's part in this space. It isn't the same and you know it. It's like comparing Indy cars to go-karts.

Literally everything you are posing in this thread is layered with Apple / mobile hatred and wrong. Congrats on being consistent I guess.

 

[Zeroing]

on the Apple event they shown a PS5 controller, if it was a Xbox one controller, today we would have rumors that MS is interested in buying Apple - joking

now seriously, Apple is happy having devs make games for their ecosystem, they choose the welcome approach, Nintendo and Sony are developing games for that platform.

So why would Apple go to all of the trouble of going into gaming if Google and Amazon is Failing?

 

[Interfectum]

on the Apple event they shown a PS5 controller, if it was a Xbox one controller, today we would have rumors that MS is interested in buying Apple - joking

now seriously, Apple is happy having devs make games for their ecosystem, they choose the welcome approach, Nintendo and Sony are developing games for that platform.

So why would Apple go to all of the trouble of going into gaming if Google and Amazon is Failing?

Google and Amazon could do better in gaming, they just aren't trying. They made a streaming service no one asked for and put Ubisoft games on it. None of the big tech companies are bothering to go all-in on gaming besides Microsoft and they are only doing that to push their Azure services even further. There is literally zero incentive for google, amazon or apple to go all-in yet. They'll just wait for their hardware / services to hit a cross section with hardcore gaming a decade or two down the road.

 

[reksveks]

Profits are great for corporations and the stock holders. But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about mindshare and marketshare.

In the context of your statement that they don't dominate smart phone market.

They don't dominate gaming and no one really dominates mobile gaming, too many different companies.

 

[sn0man]

An M1 Mac mini is $700 right now and has less gfx horsepower than many midrange PCs. I don’t see it with an M1. so hard disagree with the specific contention cited by the OP.

On the other hand, could Apple design a piece of silicon to do really well in the home console space? Oh yes, the 400 pound gorilla eats first in the world of fabs. If Apple, 1.) designed a game console chip (really tweaked an iPhone chip) 2.) committed to a gaming controller design, and 3.) committed to signing software deals they could really make it uncomfortable for Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft.

will they? Nahhh. Mobile is big enough for Apple that they ignore us in our retrograde dedicated game console space. (I like Apple but I prefer they leave our space alone fwiw.)

 

[llien]

What in the world are you talking about dude? lol

I hoped you read anands article (pretty much the only true tech article on the subject).
I'm talking about how much

The CPU does not use 24W.

Yeah, right.
And then there is silicon inside CPU that kinda also is not fully CPU, so we should exclude that too, perhaps, chuckle.

Fucking smoke and mirrors, as always with Apfel.

 

[onnextflix5]

Apple just upgraded the apple tv 4k, they went from a10x to a12, big upgrade right nope the gpu performance is the same between them lol. Thats how much they care about gaming. They will never undercut there rip off iphones and ipads, to get a slice of gaming market.

 

[DrAspirino]

It's amazing how people think Apple discovered ARM based processor. Apple does not have exclusive access to ARM cores and if ARM cores are worth the hassle ( no more backward compatibility ) then Sony and MS can make a console on it.

I Wouldn't be too sure about it.

 

[Fbh]

As in hardware? Sure, I don't think it's a controversial or unique take.
Apple could make a more powerful, sleeker and better built system (would be way more expensive though).

But when this thing:

Just destroyed every AAA game of 2020 in sales are we really going to pretend hardware power is in any way related to the success of the Switch?

 

[IntentionalPun]

And yet nobody in the gaming community cares about Apple's part in this space. It isn't the same and you know it. It's like comparing Indy cars to go-karts.

Yes mobile gaming is a different segment.

Which is why almost every company in gaming works across both segments.. some games literally are cross-platform across segments (including some rather massive ones)..

But Apple creates hardware whose horsepower is largely used by.. games.. their SDKs.. used for games.. their app store, core to their profitability.. is mostly used for games.

They are a huge gaming company.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I hoped you read anands article (pretty much the only true tech article on the subject).
I'm talking about how much


Yeah, right.
And then there is silicon inside CPU that kinda also is not fully CPU, so we should exclude that too, perhaps, chuckle.

Fucking smoke and mirrors, as always with Apfel.

What anand article?

Why are you ignoring the test you produced is an x86 test?

You are also quoting the entire M1's Mac Mini power usage during load.. it has.. a CPU.. a GPU.. other stuffff. LOL

 

[TGO]

Yes and so can Microsoft....oh wait
Anyway based on there phones they would just be an even more expensive Nintendo

 

[THE DUCK]

So what's the bottom line, lets pretend apple gets a bunch of developers on board and buys 3 studios. Could they build a $399 portable/home hybrid with the next gen version of this chip, and would it stack up vs modern next gen consoles? Half the power? Equal? (forgive my ignorance, I haven't followed the M1 much other than hearing it's reasonably powerful)

 

[Esppiral]

I am not touching anything Apple, thanks.

 

[jufonuk]

 

[llien]

What anand article?

The only anand article on deep dive into M1.

Why are you ignoring the test you produced is an x86 test?

It's not, both non-native (rosetta) and native results are shown:

The entire system (mac mini) has been measured at ~25watts under load.. so

There is no official TDP figure provided by Der Apfel.
25-ish W is how reviewer at anand estimated it in respective TDP terms.

Had it even been far ahead on power consumption (it's not), it also has serious node advantage, so that wouldn't be a big deal anyhow.

 

[Haggard]

They could but they won't. There's nothing to be gained from dominating the console space. The profits Sony and Nintendo make with their blood sweat and tears is peanuts to Apple, why would they bother?

They couldn`t even if they wanted to........ What happens when such companies think it`s enough to just throw a few billions at something to be "good at it" can be seen with Amazon`s and Google`s fruitless endeavours. If anything Apple has learnt to stay away from businesses they have zero knowledge of and would face overwhelming competition.
The only way they could ever get a foot into the door would be by swallowing one of the competitors.