Apple has the money to buy Disney, tho.
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RAD Founder: Apple could obliterate Switch and render consoles obsolete
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The artful mincer
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Hahahahahah!
Do you what is true! There could be a friggin zombie apocalypse and Nintendo would still sell Nintendo products to Nintendo fans!
Why do all these jokers keep thinking tech and services is more important than the games!!??
Honestly where have they been the last decade and a half! Since the Wii era Nintendo have been a million years behind Sony and Microsoft tech wise but has it stopped them selling a boatload of consoles and software hell no! because they have compelling exclusive content you can't get anywhere else. If you get that part right you can almost do whatever you want ( like never discount your games Nintendo you tight montherfuckers!)
And that's obviously the tricky thing to figure out which you cant just throw money and manpower at. It took sony the entire ps3 generation to get going and Microsoft first party is struggling so hard it hurts.
Sure they slipped on the Wii u but they likely recouped the losses in a year of switch sales where it took Sony a generation and a half to recoup the ps3 losses.
Oh yeah and just to hammer home gamepass ain't gonna disrupt shit UNLESS Microsoft first party content can be equally as compelling as Sony and Nintendos.
Jesus christ Apple kill Nintendo. That's like saying Tesla are gonna kill Disney!
Do you what is true! There could be a friggin zombie apocalypse and Nintendo would still sell Nintendo products to Nintendo fans!
Why do all these jokers keep thinking tech and services is more important than the games!!??
Honestly where have they been the last decade and a half! Since the Wii era Nintendo have been a million years behind Sony and Microsoft tech wise but has it stopped them selling a boatload of consoles and software hell no! because they have compelling exclusive content you can't get anywhere else. If you get that part right you can almost do whatever you want ( like never discount your games Nintendo you tight montherfuckers!)
And that's obviously the tricky thing to figure out which you cant just throw money and manpower at. It took sony the entire ps3 generation to get going and Microsoft first party is struggling so hard it hurts.
Sure they slipped on the Wii u but they likely recouped the losses in a year of switch sales where it took Sony a generation and a half to recoup the ps3 losses.
Oh yeah and just to hammer home gamepass ain't gonna disrupt shit UNLESS Microsoft first party content can be equally as compelling as Sony and Nintendos.
Jesus christ Apple kill Nintendo. That's like saying Tesla are gonna kill Disney!
Orta
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Bo_Hazem
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In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.
My take is that even if that were true from a technical POV, content is what matters and without internal studios it wouldn't really do it.
ZywyPL
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Krizalidx11
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Apple is so not into Console gaming, i mean this gen could be last before we move into (streaming games from your TV apps) era
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Pedro Motta
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Gaming console? No.
VR Headset? Yeah probably coming.
VR Headset? Yeah probably coming.
Mister Wolf
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I would love to see their attempt at making IPs that us customers would actually give a shit about.
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Buhaj
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Sony could, in a matter of months, develop an ultrabook that would obliterate any current or future Macbooks. A little further down the road, they could render current laptop architecture obsolete too. If they had the right software library there'd be no stopping them.
What? is it unlikely? Then it doesn't differ from the tweet.
The artful mincer
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Exactly! The absolute number one thing you need to get right is what the giant tech companies have consistently failed at.
The_Mike
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TriSuit666
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Apple App approval Workflow, versus Nintendo?
I know which one I'd choose if I was wanting to get my game I've spent 2 years developing in front of the most faces.
There's also the small 30% fee issue on Apple's side.
I know which one I'd choose if I was wanting to get my game I've spent 2 years developing in front of the most faces.
There's also the small 30% fee issue on Apple's side.
M1 has much better performance per watt. Check the anandtech review. The GPU is super impressive too.
And the M1 is just the start. M2 is coming later this year.
llien
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That's the review I've checked. It was comparing 25+ watt 5nm M1 to 15w 7nm Ryzen (among others).
M1 is also a much bigger chip (16 billion transistors vs about 10)
So, shameless marketing inbound...
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kyliethicc
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For those who don't know, the new Apple M1 SoC has similar benchmark performance to the Intel i7 9700K that can hit 5.0 GHz. The 9700K is an 8 core 95 W TDP desktop CPU from 2020.
The Apple M1 SoC is a 15 W TDP tablet chip. It only has 4 high performance cores, and only 3.2 GHz max. Its now in an iPad. No fans. Passively cooled. Silent in use.
And they're not even trying to do what Andrea (the guy from RAD) is saying, they're just making their normal Mac / iPad chip. And the M1 is only their 1st attempt from 2020. Pessino is 100% correct. They could. But they won't.
The Apple M1 SoC is a 15 W TDP tablet chip. It only has 4 high performance cores, and only 3.2 GHz max. Its now in an iPad. No fans. Passively cooled. Silent in use.
And they're not even trying to do what Andrea (the guy from RAD) is saying, they're just making their normal Mac / iPad chip. And the M1 is only their 1st attempt from 2020. Pessino is 100% correct. They could. But they won't.
Really? M1 only uses about 15-20W for the CPU and around 3-5W per high performance core.That's the review I've checked. It was comparing 25+ watt M1 to 15nm Ryzen (among others).
M1 is also a much bigger chip (16 billion transistors vs about 10)
So, shameless marketing inbound...
Take a look at SPEC2017 and keep in mind that the "15W" ryzen can use up to 35W during the first couple of minutes of the bench.
Apple is putting an M1 inside a 6mm thick, fanless iPad. Try that with a Ryzen.
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llien
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Excuses, huh?
All compared chips are APUs, with integrated GPU, right.
I'm puzzled why you think that would not work.
Lower the clock/voltage (losing perf) and, viola, you got a better chip.
The problem is, what is your base level perf. And it is Apple's face melting already on 7nm. Imagine what 5nm Ryzen will do.
Kikorin
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In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.
My take is that even if that were true from a technical POV, content is what matters and without internal studios it wouldn't really do it.
Joke aside, we seen the hardware is the last thing when we talk about the success of a console and Apple is not going anywhere in this regard in next years, especially since have nothing to do with "hardcore" gamers and couldn't offer something at affordable price if don't want to go against their fanbase.
The point is "25+ watt M1" and "15W ryzen" is simply false.Excuses, huh?
All compared chips are APUs, with integrated GPU, right.
I'm puzzled why you think that would not work.
Lower the clock/voltage (losing perf) and, viola, you got a better chip.
The problem is, what is your base level perf. And it is Apple's face melting already on 7nm. Imagine what 5nm Ryzen will do.
As I said, during the SPEC run M1 only uses 20W (and 15W during Cinebench). And the ryzen processor can go up to 30+W.
This is Anandtech's conclusion :
llien
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Oh, boy, followed apple.com link, selber schuld.
So "The 8-core CPU design features the world’s fastest CPU cores", yeah right, mkay.
And then this new superduper XDR, best evar pro stuff, stupid me, I took the bait.
Looking for reviews, oh, just hyping shit on its own.
But thank god, this guy exists:
So "The 8-core CPU design features the world’s fastest CPU cores", yeah right, mkay.
And then this new superduper XDR, best evar pro stuff, stupid me, I took the bait.
Looking for reviews, oh, just hyping shit on its own.
But thank god, this guy exists:
tassletine
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Probably true, but it would take a lot of time and effort and dilute their brand, and I'm not sure if they would risk that.
Leadership has faltered since Jobs (or at least nothing they have done since has excited many) so I don't believe this would be a viable option for them at this time.
Apple tech really isn't all it's cracked up to be either. The comparison to Nintendo is apt as what they mainly do is make very smart, efficient business solutions. Basically they leverage the cheapest hardware, polishing the fuck out of it to give a better impression. For example -- Try opening lots of GIFS on an ipad and see how far it gets you.
They would have no chance against the more powerful consoles, so would have to compete via software -- Nintendo are leagues ahead of them in that race.
VR could be the battleground though. Who knows?
Leadership has faltered since Jobs (or at least nothing they have done since has excited many) so I don't believe this would be a viable option for them at this time.
Apple tech really isn't all it's cracked up to be either. The comparison to Nintendo is apt as what they mainly do is make very smart, efficient business solutions. Basically they leverage the cheapest hardware, polishing the fuck out of it to give a better impression. For example -- Try opening lots of GIFS on an ipad and see how far it gets you.
They would have no chance against the more powerful consoles, so would have to compete via software -- Nintendo are leagues ahead of them in that race.
VR could be the battleground though. Who knows?
llien
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In multi-threaded scenarios, power highly depends on the workload. In memory-heavy workloads where the CPU utilisation isn’t as high, we’re seeing 18W active power, going up to around 22W in average workloads, and peaking around 27W in compute heavy workloads.
20-24W is Anands own "speak" about how he'd rate that chip compared to others, so,shrug.
Notable that Anand checks is out with 4000 series mobile Ryzen.
He does state chip is ahead at perf and perf/w though, although, that statement is a bit blurred across Intel/AMD (as AMD does so much better)
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Daymos
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Apple has no IPs. They would need to buy Disney... and also someone who knows how to make video games.
Making an ipad with controllers doesn't mean shit.
Besides Nintendo is in bed with Nvidia and Nvidia owns (or is buying arm).. without Arm processors there are no apple devices.
Making an ipad with controllers doesn't mean shit.
Besides Nintendo is in bed with Nvidia and Nvidia owns (or is buying arm).. without Arm processors there are no apple devices.
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SirTerry-T
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Has anyone mentioned the Apple Pippin yet?
That's was a roaring success if I remember correctly??!???!?
That's was a roaring success if I remember correctly??!???!?
Darlingcognito
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Oh yeah sure if Nintendo develop games for it.
What ya gunna play on an iPad?
What ya gunna play on an iPad?
llien
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PhaseJump
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This is dumb.
Apple doesn't need to own IPs, they have a platform to make money on and can easily afford development. Disney itself isn't in the gaming industry anymore, since they can outsource their IP to developers that know what they're doing.
Making an ipad with controllers is a moot point. You can pair up bluetooth devices and controllers to apple devices already, the only thing they need is to put marketing and maybe bundles into Apple Arcade on Apple TV or other devices.
Nintendo is in bed with Nvidia, so that means that Nvidia would buy ARM, completely destroy ARM's royalty revenues by being anti-competitive and cutting off a trillion dollar company due to console wars? Really? This is beyond totally fucking stupid. Nintendo is insignificant in this argument. They are just a customer. Imagine, denying Apple's ability to license ARM over Nintendo already using Nvidia's discount trash bin of old Tegra processors nobody wants in the Switch lineup. The courts would rip Nvidia apart, and the cost would be enormous. Nobody would get ahead. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Thirty7ven
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The problem isn’t performance, has never been. The problem is cost vs power consumption.
I’m gonna press X for doubt on this one.
I’m gonna press X for doubt on this one.
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GamesAreFun
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Sure, from a hardware perspective, but he makes it sound like having a stellar game library is a trivial issue when it's something even tech giants like Amazon & Google are floundering with.
If having the best hardware was the only factor, the PSP & Vita would have obliterated the DS & 3DS.
If having the best hardware was the only factor, the PSP & Vita would have obliterated the DS & 3DS.
The random guy who wrote the anandtech review.
Look, Apple is using the same core used in the iphone (+200mhz) and manufactured using the most advanced litography available.
The M1 macbook air and pro have insane battery life and thermals.
Sure you can continue to think that a "15W" ryzen CPU that can use up to 40W during real life benchmarks has better performance per watt, but don't expect mobile devices with ryzen anytime soon.
llien
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There are 2 different types of cores in it, 4 beefier, and 4 smaller.
Using better fab process (provided by a third party anyhow) is... hardly something to boast about.
Ouch, thanks for letting know.
Define "insane" please.
Asus's OLED Zenbook with a Ryzen claims "up to 16 hours". (and those screens are power hungry)
I think we've crossed the line when most of the power is not consumed by CPU.
TheDreadLord
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Every single iPhone/iPad they sell is a sort of videogame console. They also have the monopoly through the iOS store. I don’t see a reason for why Apple would bother in design a specific hardware for gaming. They even compete, in a way, with Xbox and PS through the Apple TV.
Bo_Hazem
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Why fight them when you can share the pie?
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Games, content, software.....always matters.
Apple can try, but its not as easy as some think. I do agree that an actual console is how you get in the gaming industry.
I thought Apple tried this already recently? Didnt their recent try have some device with a controller?
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Topher
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Well, that was a rather massive caveat. And apparently a lot of folks on Twitter pointed that out as well.
He said "dedicated gaming console".
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