DrAspirino
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That's the thing: the only ones that can pull that crazy perf/watt ratio is ARM architecture, so no Intel/AMD. It would mean rewritting AAA games entirely because of the deep ISA differences between X86 and ARM.
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RAD Founder: Apple could obliterate Switch and render consoles obsolete
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Ezquimacore
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I think apple is busy developing a AAA gaming platform for their phones. They will do a bundle with a controller and Glover HD for $2,000
Interfectum
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I mean, do you honestly think Google and Amazon actually tried to get into the console space? Everything they did was predictable, half-hearted, non-exclusive and used an unproven streaming platform.
Apple sees the amount of money, manpower, social media coddling, and everything else Microsoft is doing to win over 50-60 million console owners and thinking it's not worth the cost nor brand damage to get there. The only reason MS is still in the console space is Phil sold the CEO on syncing it with Azure and there are billions of would be Halo fans out there if only they could stream it to their phone.
apple would be bankrupt if phones werent subsidized and everyone had to pay for them full price from the get go.
everything else they tried has been a massive failure. journalists love to be cheerleaders and claim anything they would enter they would dominate. not true
ipads were supposed to replace pcs, instead its something parents buy to shut up their kids
appletv was supposed to take over the living room, lol
they squandered their ipod dominance/owning the music industry and now getting spanked by spotify(even by bundling their music service in their devices)
macs are still single digit marketshare, and iphones are getting close to single digit marketshare
almost everyone one of their hardware devices has design flaws that they simply ignore/refuse to fix and shift blame to the user
hires burberry executive because they are trying to be a fashion company (thats why every one of their products is overpriced crap)
their os UIs look like something a child designed
everything else they tried has been a massive failure. journalists love to be cheerleaders and claim anything they would enter they would dominate. not true
ipads were supposed to replace pcs, instead its something parents buy to shut up their kids
appletv was supposed to take over the living room, lol
they squandered their ipod dominance/owning the music industry and now getting spanked by spotify(even by bundling their music service in their devices)
macs are still single digit marketshare, and iphones are getting close to single digit marketshare
almost everyone one of their hardware devices has design flaws that they simply ignore/refuse to fix and shift blame to the user
hires burberry executive because they are trying to be a fashion company (thats why every one of their products is overpriced crap)
their os UIs look like something a child designed
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Interfectum
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IntentionalPun
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The only anand article on deep dive into M1.
It's not, both non-native (rosetta) and native results are shown:
There is no official TDP figure provided by Der Apfel.
25-ish W is how reviewer at anand estimated it in respective TDP terms.
Had it even been far ahead on power consumption (it's not), it also has serious node advantage, so that wouldn't be a big deal anyhow.
Thanks, didn't see the "native" score.
Congrats? You found like the one benchmark it gets beaten in?
I guess from here:
The 2020 Mac Mini Unleashed: Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
What is your point about TDP? Anand and others measured power draw at the wall....
And AMD isn't scheduled to put out a 5nm chip until next year.. so how is it not a big deal? We'll see where the M1 is then in performance.
LordBlodgett
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Without games they ain't gonna do shit. Who cares what the hardware is like.
SteelCurtain 59
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I don't think Apple would need to compete on price, I'm sure the apple fanboys would happily buy a $1000 game console as long as it had the apple logo on it
Haggard
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you are seriously underestimating the money that`s in the console and game business as well as the amount of money amazon and google already burnt on their efforts...... Unfortunately the more competition there is the smaller the margin.
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like i said, their biggest business is iphones, and they make alot of money because of the carrier subsidies,and the upgrades carriers offer every few years.The biggest company in the world is incompetent and doomed. Heard it here first.
if everyone had to buy them full pop, they would only sell a fraction of them.
its also no surprise they keep jacking up the price because they've been selling less and less of them, and there will be a point where all this will crash and burn.
but ok, keep shaking your pompoms
itsjustJEFF
Member
I mean... they "could" just like a lot of other things could happen. But woot about the games?!?! Articles like these always reminds me that ppl don't realize it's Nintendo's games that keep them around.
Mister Wolf
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I look back through the gaming years of all the rivals to Nintendo's stranglehold on the portal market. The Game Gear and PSP put up the best fight.
Visual Rhino
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"RAD Founder: Apple could obliterate Switch and render consoles obsolete"
Sure, when gamer's are looking for a pretentious overpriced piece of hardware Apple will have it covered.
Sure, when gamer's are looking for a pretentious overpriced piece of hardware Apple will have it covered.
Md Ray
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Why did you delete that post?
Dream-Knife
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Nope.
It will be interesting to see how Apple shakes out in the market. People will just buy it because its Apple, and Nintendo emulates them not only in design, but in manipulation of its customer base.
I do expect apples expensive VR to become a status symbol because people are dumb.
It will be interesting to see how Apple shakes out in the market. People will just buy it because its Apple, and Nintendo emulates them not only in design, but in manipulation of its customer base.
I do expect apples expensive VR to become a status symbol because people are dumb.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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In a tweet posted yesterday, Andrea Pessino, founder and technical director of Ready at Dawn studio, claims that if Apple released an M1-powered portable it would obliterate the Switch and render gaming consoles obsolete in the future.
My take is that even if that were true from a technical POV, content is what matters and without internal studios it wouldn't really do it.
"If they have the right software.." is a significantly bigger challenge for Apple here than Andrea is considering.
In fact, It's pretty much almost impossible, given Apple's lack of history and experience and IP ownership as a videogame producer.
Hardware NEVER sells gaming platforms. Andrea and co would be wise to never forget this.
Ten_Fold
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Probably wanna double that price, and $99 for the charge cord that won’t be included because Apple.
Dream-Knife
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Apple has already done this recently with Beats. Beats were never good headphones, but they bought them so they wouldn't have competition in the poor audio quality fashion headphone market.
Which isn't going to happen. Nintendo does their own thing, but the rest of the market is based on advances. The customer doesn't really care about performance to watt, they want the next big thing.
In 3 years the pro models will be out touting 8k. ARM isn't going to run these games at 8k30.
he said marketshare. Apple is now basically a luxury brand for people who don't know any better. They want a "pc that just works" because they can't be bothered to learn something or not download porn from shady sites. They don't care that you can't download apps outside of the ios store. They don't care that their device isn't serviceable . They don't care that magic Apple RAM costs 4x as much as it does anywhere else.The biggest company in the world is incompetent and doomed. Heard it here first.
It's a fashion status brand.
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Andodalf
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Nintendo did that way before apple
OmegaSupreme
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mckmas8808
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It's not hatred. It's facts. When "WE" talk about gaming, we aren't talking about the mobile gaming sector. That's a different beast.
Content is KING!
Exactly!
RoboFu
One of the green rats
its could happen but it wont, why? mostly because apple will allow alot of crappy mobile games which instantly devalues the platform. as good as COD, Fortnite, and Fantasian are.. they are not the norm.
To really pull it off they would need a big line up of normal games.
To really pull it off they would need a big line up of normal games.
DrAspirino
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Oh, but they absolutely do. It is why you see customers demanding for better and batter battery life with each iteration of laptops/smartphones/tablets that are released to the market. All while maintaining same or even better performance. Heck, battery life and parts costs are the main reasons why Nintendo has historically won in the portable market, starting with the original Gameboy.
If it were like you say, we would still have heavy laptops that have batteries that last about 1 hr and smartphones that you have to recharge every few hours (instead of once a day).
BattleScar
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Apple can sell as many of whatever they want.
They're not going to replace Nintendo, because you can't play Super Mario XYZ or The Legend of Zelda, or Super Smash Bros on an Apple device.
They would have to buy Nintendo and the Japanese Government would never let that happen.
They could challenge Microsoft and Sony sure, but Apple like their margins too much to target the same demographic. $500 Xbox or PlayStation would be fighting against a $1000 Apple console with equivalent performance.
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Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I was shocked at the success of the App Store, so I'm not gonna say it's impossible.
I'm just gonna say it's probably not gonna hinder me from getting a Nintendo console, as long as it has good games that I like on it. I don't use the App Store, or Google Play for games either. So I'm likely not to be wrong this time.
I'm just gonna say it's probably not gonna hinder me from getting a Nintendo console, as long as it has good games that I like on it. I don't use the App Store, or Google Play for games either. So I'm likely not to be wrong this time.
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Virt McPolygon
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Mention a few things like women, apple, diversity on this forum and scared, insecure losers show up with their small dick energy lol
Of course Apple isn't going to replace anything. They're doing their own thing. A lot the devs that left Sony Japan Studio are probably working on an Apple Arcade project like Clap Hanz was.
Of course Apple isn't going to replace anything. They're doing their own thing. A lot the devs that left Sony Japan Studio are probably working on an Apple Arcade project like Clap Hanz was.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
They could, but the question should be whether or not they should.
Market the Mac Mini M1 as a games console. Heck, certain Mini models could act as one already.
Market the Mac Mini M1 as a games console. Heck, certain Mini models could act as one already.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Dude is an arrogant ass who most people don't care for and sorry to the 2 people I know on this forum that knows him personally.
Having used the Apple XDR display I would much rather see them throw their might behind the ultimate gamer display using the tech behind that new Ipad Pro
Having used the Apple XDR display I would much rather see them throw their might behind the ultimate gamer display using the tech behind that new Ipad Pro
As far as the transistor count goes, it's not an apples to apples (heh) comparison because the M1 has an A.I accelerator unit and a much more capable GPU.
bender
What time is it?
A mod or an automated system did. That GIF loads really slowly for some reason so that's probably why.
Physiognomonics
Member
No, no and no. Nintendo have built their software lineup from the experience of almost 40 years of doing games. Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, animal crossing, Pokemon are all coming from tens of years of making games and most of those are remake, re-imagined remakes or sequels of those early games released on NES, SNES and others devices.
What content do Apple have?
What content do Apple have?
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Let me guess, he is the type of clown that puts an Apple logo sticker on his work issued Windows based laptop. Clearly he is a dipshit fanboy that thinks overpriced HW is more important than the games. Switch is successful because of Nintendo. It is weak and cheap HW and it is still very successful. A more powerful copy cat systems will not obliterate the switch, nor will it get other deluded fanboys to jump ship from their console of devotion.
BusierDonkey
Member
There is a long history of devices that were going to topple Nintendo's portable business. I'm sure there will be many more long after Apple shuts down whatever their next attempt is.
Dream-Knife
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With mobile, but again the performance isn't there. However we may reach a 'good enough' point. Sony and MS could have made their new consoles portable, but instead they chose to chase 1800p60 as a plugged in device.
Nintendo won the portable market with their IPs. I remember seeing Game Gears as a kid and thinking they were cool, but they didn't have any games that I wanted to play.
The real question is: when is it 'good enough' for the consumer to abandon desktops and traditional consoles for hybrids and laptops? Switch is winning because of it's IPs and its portable novelty. A lot of the portable novelty has worn off for the core demographic, but it is the casual base that is the largest.
IntentionalPun
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I think some of you are way over reacting lol
He's just hyping the M1 chip really.
Being kind of dumb about how Apple works as a business; but the core of his argument is that the M1 chip could produce a pretty insane mobile console.
He's just hyping the M1 chip really.
Being kind of dumb about how Apple works as a business; but the core of his argument is that the M1 chip could produce a pretty insane mobile console.
Interfectum
Member
Sounds like shit you'd hear in the late 90s. iPhone and iPad are easily the best devices on the market that they are in. Same goes for the watch and AirPods. Not to mention the connectivity between Apple devices (watch, AirPods, phone, tv, etc) is an amazing feature to have as a consumer.
But yeah bro, you want to build a gaming PC that plays Crysis at 4k, 60fps while having Cheetos in your beard, build your own PC as a Mac won't be the computer for you. No one is arguing different.
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