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PlayStation's Focus on Too Big to Fail Games Is Concerning
turtlepowa
Banned
Stop it, you are all on Microsoft's payroll!!!
longdi
Banned
Yap exactly my concerns. 
The claims of 'Sony first party AAA games = blow you away = ps5 will do just fine = ps5 will sell gangbusters again' . Imo that is just too complacent and also different from what Playstation is known for.
Imo sticking with 'AAA' is just pumping big bucks into smaller selections and hope the studios delivers and gamers are still hooked on the type of game designs by said studios.
The claims of 'Sony first party AAA games = blow you away = ps5 will do just fine = ps5 will sell gangbusters again' . Imo that is just too complacent and also different from what Playstation is known for.
Imo sticking with 'AAA' is just pumping big bucks into smaller selections and hope the studios delivers and gamers are still hooked on the type of game designs by said studios.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Sony feels like it’s going for the causal market that only buys the big games like last of us and uncharted. Leaving the more hardcore gamers getting there fix elsewhere. Not a bad way to go, as a casual I tend to only get the big games anyways so all good to me. Hope they bring them to pc but if not I’ll get another ps5 with the profits form selling my 1st.
Aceofspades
Banned
Yap exactly my concerns.
The claims of 'Sony first party AAA games = blow you away = ps5 will do just fine = ps5 will sell gangbusters again' . Imo that is just too complacent and also different from what Playstation is known for.
Imo sticking with 'AAA' is just pumping big bucks into smaller selections and hope the studios delivers and gamers are still hooked on the type of game designs by said studios.
I have a crystal ball and I can see the future, by 2028:
- PS5 will be north of 100m
- Sony first party will still have a goty after goty that sells better than anything with MS.
- we will look back at such articles and laugh, just like we laughed at "selling 10m doesn't mean much" in 2014.
- MS will still be hiding their console sold numbers lol.
"Sony always wins baby"
- Chad warden
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Maybe by 2028, some people will realize that selling consoles isn't the key goal of the console industry anymore.
TheGejsza
Member
I always liked Sony for investing into less mainstream games like:
ICO, SotC, Tha Last Guardian, Gravity Rush, Nier, Motorstorm etc.
Thanks to that we are got whole Souls genre - Demon's Souls is what it started. Beside huge AAA games they were always trying something niche and some of those games were trully brilliant. I really don't like focus only on BLOCKBUSTERS. I like Uncharted but is pretty medicore to me - fun shooting with good graphic. Bloodborne and Shadow of The Colossus on the other hand are masterpieces that I absoluetly love.
The problem is the game-developing cost are too high right now and it's better (from financial perspective) to do safe bet. But without those risks the PlayStation brand would not be where it is now.
The moment Sony stop making interesting new titles is the momen when they will start going downhill. You can see what happened to Microsoft when they tried to continue they brands like Gow and Forza for years withoout anything new... If all Sony has to offer is MORE Uncharted, GOW, Horizon, GoT - i think some players will burn out.
ICO, SotC, Tha Last Guardian, Gravity Rush, Nier, Motorstorm etc.
Thanks to that we are got whole Souls genre - Demon's Souls is what it started. Beside huge AAA games they were always trying something niche and some of those games were trully brilliant. I really don't like focus only on BLOCKBUSTERS. I like Uncharted but is pretty medicore to me - fun shooting with good graphic. Bloodborne and Shadow of The Colossus on the other hand are masterpieces that I absoluetly love.
The problem is the game-developing cost are too high right now and it's better (from financial perspective) to do safe bet. But without those risks the PlayStation brand would not be where it is now.
The moment Sony stop making interesting new titles is the momen when they will start going downhill. You can see what happened to Microsoft when they tried to continue they brands like Gow and Forza for years withoout anything new... If all Sony has to offer is MORE Uncharted, GOW, Horizon, GoT - i think some players will burn out.
turtlepowa
Banned
You are really living up to that well deserved tag, i give you that.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
All this in a month where PS have literally given away 10 games to every user on top of their usual additions to PS+ and PSNOW.. Including the new Abe's Odyssey title, which looks to me precisely like the sort of AA exclusive that people are complaining Sony don't offer!
Burythelight
Member
Dreams, Sackboy, astrobot returnal, sifu negate most of the video thesis. So onother corner thread.
Demon2blades
Member
It's still a massive part of it picture selling 100mil+ consoles and expanding your ecosystem to pc aswell is a recipe for success imoMaybe by 2028, some people will realize that selling consoles isn't the key goal of the console industry anymore.
SoraNoKuni
Member
They'll do just fine.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Why the PS4 was a success:
I too am EXTREMELY concerned over this strategy that made the Playstation 4 an overwhelmingly successful console.
Superior console compared to competitor
Cheaper console compared to competitor
Superior, while cheaper console (this is so important that it's its own point again)
Focus on being a gaming console, not TV TV TV
Exclusive games were mostly good to great
Turns out the exclusives were only a small part of why the PS4 was a success. The first big exclusive hit (UC4) came in 2016, two and a half years after release. Also the really big hits were very sparse anyway. Horizon came in 2017, God of War and Spiderman in 2018. By the time GoT and TLOU2 hit, the generation was already over.
I'd argue the exclusives had very little impact on the PS4s success. They certainly helped, but not that much. If you wanted to play CoD/FIFA/NBA/NFL/etc., getting a PS4 was simply a no-brainer since it was the superior console.
Aceofspades
Banned
Are we now complaining that Sony is making lots of BIG successful games? Where is the concern of MS almost not making anything worthwhile for more than a decade? Funny 
Kokoloko85
Member
Considering they released sackboy, astro and all star I dont think they are just going for AAA.
Whos paying for all these FUD articles?
Playstation gets Final Fantays 16 and Forspoken exclusive which are big Japanese games. Yet there not working with Japanese studios?
Id rather they have Final Fantasy 16 as exclusive than Knack 1 and 2 and Gravity Rush lol. With the rumoured Silent Hill and MGS games, they seem to be working with big Japanese IP
Whos paying for all these FUD articles?
Playstation gets Final Fantays 16 and Forspoken exclusive which are big Japanese games. Yet there not working with Japanese studios?
Id rather they have Final Fantasy 16 as exclusive than Knack 1 and 2 and Gravity Rush lol. With the rumoured Silent Hill and MGS games, they seem to be working with big Japanese IP
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SLB1904
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Maybe by 2028, some people will realize that selling consoles isn't the key goal of the console industry anymore.
This is bullshit and you know it.
If you believe this crap you wouldn't cheer for Bethesda games to be exclusives
Aceofspades
Banned
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Exclusive to Gamepass, not a console. That's kinda my point.
SLB1904
Banned
Be fucking honest for once
Cyborg
Member
So the video brings Ghost of Tsushima as an example to prove its point? The fck?
How much risk do you want? Its a new IP, its competing with Far cry/AC the setting is a big gamble. And yet Sony had the balls to do it and it turned out great. If thats what the future is Im down.
Im stil salty about Days Gone 2
How much risk do you want? Its a new IP, its competing with Far cry/AC the setting is a big gamble. And yet Sony had the balls to do it and it turned out great. If thats what the future is Im down.
Im stil salty about Days Gone 2
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Yeah, that did wonders for MS when the Xbox 360 was selling gangbusters and the MS management believed they should only invest in their million selling AAA titles (Halo, Forza, Fable) because third party publishers would take care of the rest. MS even forced other internal studios to give up their own IPs to work on Halo or Fable instead. And let's broaden the appeal of the Halo brand by developing a Halo movie or tv show!
I see the same thing happening at Sony: no interest in Japanese niche titles, increased focus on their biggest IPs, developing multiple movies bases on these IPs, creating mobile games (probably also based on these same IPs), making their less important internal studios work on remakes of these IPs...
That's not a good sign at all. Sony today is just as complacent as MS was ten years ago when the whole games division went down the drain.
Keihart
Member
GoT was Shuhei's last baby in WWS, you have to pray at lord Hermen now.
SJRB
Gold Member
You cannot mention the dark lord's name like that! You'll bring misfortune upon Playstation if you do!
Aceofspades
Banned
Numbers only matters when its gameass only!
Gamepass : 10m users Wow so much momentum
Playstation 4: breaking 120m. nah those numbers are useless.
PS5: breaking all gaming records. its all scalpers!
Gamepass: offers 200 games. wow so much value!
PSnow: offers 900+ games. I wouldn't touch that even for a $1.
Its just hyperbole and overreactions, in the end Sony and Playstation will be the biggest most successful gaming brand.
Alright
Banned
The future of a company that sells products is to not sell those products?Maybe by 2028, some people will realize that selling consoles isn't the key goal of the console industry anymore.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
How to turn a profit as a console gaming company:The future of a company that sells products is to not sell those products?
Grow your platform by any means necessary
Get 30% commissions on every transaction on your platform
Sell monthly subscriptions to your various services
Sell exclusive games and hopefully make more money than you spent on the games
How not to turn a profit as a console gaming company:
Sell consoles at loss or break even
Cyborg
Member
I love Herman
cormack12
Gold Member
Entire thing based on Schreiers article - senior editor of ign making 'reaction' video's. Awful.
Jim Ryan talked about the mentality behind new ip and blockbuster releases here: https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/playstation-ip-risky-2823270
That's the entire point of having blockbusters where you focus your marketing and advertising and leave titles like Sackboy, Returnal, Demon's Souls, Stray to find their own audience. Plus it's not like they have had swings and misses with their 'gambles'. Ghost of Tsushima was a new IP and was absolutely superb. Horizon was a new IP and while I personally still think there are areas of definite improvement it was still successful and warrants a sequel.
Honestly, xbox and playstation fans need to come together and just come down heavy on these reporters and bloggers. They are absolute fucking garbage and are only interested in getting their shit shared by one side or another each week.
Jim Ryan talked about the mentality behind new ip and blockbuster releases here: https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/playstation-ip-risky-2823270
That's the entire point of having blockbusters where you focus your marketing and advertising and leave titles like Sackboy, Returnal, Demon's Souls, Stray to find their own audience. Plus it's not like they have had swings and misses with their 'gambles'. Ghost of Tsushima was a new IP and was absolutely superb. Horizon was a new IP and while I personally still think there are areas of definite improvement it was still successful and warrants a sequel.
Honestly, xbox and playstation fans need to come together and just come down heavy on these reporters and bloggers. They are absolute fucking garbage and are only interested in getting their shit shared by one side or another each week.
Alright
Banned
Big brain business
Which gaming division posted record profits? Remind me again. The company that just sold 120 million consoles, the one that is selling 80+ million consoles, or the one who just scraped 50~ million consoles?
And then tell me one more time, the most successful console company isn't the one that sells most consoles?
Sw0pDiller
Member
so, what made PS4 so succesfull is now a bad thing because?
farmerboy
Member
Yes, Playstation is dangerously all in on "too big to fail" AAA games. It's all they've got.
Please spare me this wilful ignorance.
When Shuhei Yoshida stepped away from SIE WWS he moved to become head of “a newly formed initiative that will focus on nurturing external independent creators.”
Sony has always had the greatest depth and breadth in their game catalogue. With Shuhei in charge of this area, it will only get better.
Please spare me this wilful ignorance.
When Shuhei Yoshida stepped away from SIE WWS he moved to become head of “a newly formed initiative that will focus on nurturing external independent creators.”
Sony has always had the greatest depth and breadth in their game catalogue. With Shuhei in charge of this area, it will only get better.
Keihart
Member
I do hope that Shuhei's deparment somehow replaces Japan studio's co-production efforts, he feels sidelined tho, but who knows.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
The Nintendo Switch made more profits in 3 years than PS4 in 7, while selling quite a bit fewer consoles. Your point makes sense for Nintendo since they heavily rely on exclusives, but it doesn't make sense for Playstation.
Alright
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And the Wii was the fastest selling console ever. Nintendo know what they're doing.
Playstation shouldn't rely on exclusives and should therefore sell less consoles to be more successful, because leading the industry for over two decades based on console sales and exclusives isn't success?
This is a wind up isn't it?
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ZywyPL
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I think I'm starting to understand the whole plan/vision Ryan has for Playstation brand, where it heading, and it makes so much sense - unlike Spencer, who wants Xbox to become the Netflix of gaming, Ryan wants to turn Playstation into Marvel of gaming, with huge, absolutely massive IPs, recognizable across the world and widely available, with each IP being basically a huge brand itself.
The consoles don't bring any profit, the games/services do, THAT's the product, hence Sony wanting to sell them as much as possible, a.k.a. expanding to PC and mobile markets.
The future of a company that sells products is to not sell those products?
The consoles don't bring any profit, the games/services do, THAT's the product, hence Sony wanting to sell them as much as possible, a.k.a. expanding to PC and mobile markets.
farmerboy
Member
How so? I think the mere fact Sony put one of it's most celebrated execs into this role, (a role, if I'm correct, he personally asked for) means they take diversity in their line up very seriously.
Now, if this role has already borne fruit, then maybe Sony should make us fully aware of it. If not, then no fear, Shuhei will produce.
Full steam ahead Sony.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Unlike MS for a whole generation, Sony is giving to people what people want, big games with big ip... and guess what? It's working!
And yes, haters are hating it.
And yes, haters are hating it.
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Portugeezer
Member
I don't know, Returnal looks like it might fail. Thank you Sony!
Demon2blades
Member
Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't Sony make more than ms in the gaming industry as a whole?How to turn a profit as a console gaming company:
Grow your platform by any means necessary
Get 30% commissions on every transaction on your platform
Sell monthly subscriptions to your various services
Sell exclusive games and hopefully make more money than you spent on the games
How not to turn a profit as a console gaming company:
Sell consoles at loss or break even
Keihart
Member
The sidelined comments it's because he went from being in front full center of the company boasting about the new games coming, how the production works, the strategy and what not, being the public face of PS basically to a couple of tweets now and then.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I listed the reasons why PS4 was successful earlier in the thread.
turtlepowa
Banned
Actually Microsoft made PS4 so succesful with tvtvtv, always on, copy protection and number 1 reason: 100 bucks more expensive on release. Sony would have sold easily 90-100 million consoles without a single exclusive game. Casuals don't give a shit about exclusive games.
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Alright
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So to sell more games and services that bring profit, a console company shouldn't focus on selling consoles, instead it should expand to non-console gaming devices to sell its games made for consoles.
