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[small_law]

So PC by myself at Max settings or PS5 with my friends for this one? Or should I just pass it by? If it's Destiny meets the division on nightmare hellworld, I might be down.

 

[hemo memo]

Because GP haters are trying to be clever convincing others the dev made no money since disc sales will drop due to GP gamers downloading it and MS and then didn’t do partnership to compensate them for putting it on GP.

What is funny is that the dev will probably get more money from the game on Gamepass than disc sales.

 

[Murdoch]

What the hell have I just read.

Is this the day where I realise the class clown of 98' is too mature for this gaming forum?

 

[hemo memo]

So PC by myself at Max settings or PS5 with my friends for this one? Or should I just pass it by? If it's Destiny meets the division on nightmare hellworld, I might be down.

PS5 with friends.

 

[sinnergy]

Outriders ? Is this the must have game of the moment?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What is funny is that the dev will probably get more money from the game on Gamepass than disc sales.

And another angle will be..... even if MS pays them, how is MS going to offer good money when there’s $1 deals?

MS must have offered a deal pennies on the dollar and the dev was forced to take it.

 

[bender]

Outriders ? Is this the mist have game of the moment?

For a very brief, fleeting moment.

 

[Serengrad]

And another angle will be..... even if MS pays them, how is MS going to offer good money when there’s $1 deals?

MS must have offered a deal pennies on the dollar and the dev was forced to take it.

You do know this entire operation is a lot more complex than a percentage of the lowest possible cost option possible right?

And the dev likely didn't take it, it was Square-Enix who probably decided, much like they took the Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusivity or the FFVIIR exclusivity.

 

[Leyasu]

Why would I buy a game that's part of a subscription service? Because I want it to have permanence in my library like I do with all of the games I like. Why is that a problem?

Why do people still buy DVD's when Netflix exists?

I sometimes wonder if this is actually an enthusiast forum or whether it's just full of casual bums who will mindlessly jump to the next mega hyped title regardless of it's quality.

Of course you and everyone else doesn't bother to make the most of their sub. Real "enthusiasts" don't even wait and see how long it on the service before they buy it lol. Real "enthusiasts" don't even subscribe will be the next thing

Utter bullshit post and excuse.

 

[Ogbert]

So PC by myself at Max settings or PS5 with my friends for this one? Or should I just pass it by? If it's Destiny meets the division on nightmare hellworld, I might be down.

PS5.

PC has quite a few performance quirks at the moment.

 

[Three]

.edit nevermind

 

[Shodan09]

This is the problem. Gamepass has devalued games or at least people’s perception on what games are worth. It’s going to be mostly detrimental to the industry moving forward. Gamepass owners are less likely to buy games that aren’t on gp and even less likely than
That to buy the games that are on GP after they have played and beat them. So this means way less sales on Xbox platforms as people “wait for it to come to gamepass” in turn meaning way less sales for the devs
in long term
A few years later, dev should release games for free on GamePass
Because no one buys the game
The more profit Microsoft makes, the more development it hurts

Do we know for sure that a game played on game pass = a lost sale though? There are plenty games I'd not pay full price for but don't mind paying for a month or so of game pass to experience. That's £11 Microsoft wouldn't have seen otherwise and I very much doubt I'm the only one in this situation.

I also don't want to be reliant on game pass for games I know I really want and often buy them outright to know they aren't going anywhere. Again, I won't be the only one.

 

[Three]

What is funny is that the dev will probably get more money from the game on Gamepass than disc sales.

No, how? And would you know this?

 

[Riky]

The game will probably have more legs on Xbox as it will have a bigger play base thanks to Gamepass and then when it eventually leaves the service people still playing will buy the game.

 

[Spukc]

Gamepass bad

 

[Serengrad]

No, how? And would you know this?

It's pure conjecture, but you have to think that companies don't make decisions like this on a whim. I'm sure they spent more thought weighing out what is directly gained from the gamepass deal vs what could be lost in terms of potential sales than any of us on a forum using scraps of PR releases over the years and UK retail sales to form a couple hundred character post about how it's a mistake.

 

[Peroroncino]

lol at the gamepass salt

 

[Three]

It's pure conjecture, but you have to think that companies don't make decisions like this on a whim. I'm sure they spent more thought weighing out what is directly gained from the gamepass deal vs what could be lost in terms of potential sales than any of us on a forum using scraps of PR releases over the years and UK retail sales to form a couple hundred character post about how it's a mistake.

I agree there. They probably did what was best for them on the platform. I misread that to mean the game will make more money on gamepass vs retail sales overall. My mistake.

 

[Ogbert]

I genuinely don’t understand this discussion. I have no idea what the argument is.

 

[kuncol02]

So PC by myself at Max settings or PS5 with my friends for this one? Or should I just pass it by? If it's Destiny meets the division on nightmare hellworld, I might be down.

PC on max settings with your friends. That game has full cross play.

 

[Three]

I genuinely don’t understand this discussion. I have no idea what the argument is.

That’s like saying why a PS+ game failed. It is stupid. Only a very small percentage would buy the game outside the service they already subscribed and paid for. Dev already getting the money from the deal and people are playing the game from the service. Win-win. I don’t get the Gamepass hate honestly.

The same is true for a game coming to PS+. It comes to + when retail sales aren't as expected (Destruction allstars comes to mind) , is a game looking for exposure/mtx or is old and has very little sales anymore. It's the fact that people keep trying to say GP increases unit sales which is stupidly annoying. Nobody in their right mind would make an argument like that for PS+ and I'm not sure why people continue to do it with GP.

 

[reksveks]

No, how? And would you know this?

It's purely conjecture but one thing to remember that roughly the developer/publisher would be getting a bigger cut for dlc over the physical game. I think it's a decent chunk bigger, almost 2x.

 

[FatKingBallman]

I guess Microsoft will effectively pay the difference in lost of sales earnings between the two formats, at the very minimum.

Depends if MS pay a minimal difference. If PS5 ( or Switch if game appear there) gain huge install base difference globally, i think price wouldn't be low for MS then.

 

[Three]

It's purely conjecture but one thing to remember that roughly the developer/publisher would be getting a bigger cut for dlc over the physical game. I think it's a decent chunk bigger, almost 2x.

I think they said they won't do MTX/DLC in this game but I can see them taking the lower sales/more exposure and whatever deal is in place (lump sum or per play) to offer a sequel or large expansions in the future.

 

[FatKingBallman]

It's clear your not understanding the concept.

If a game is on Game Pass (say Outriders) then more people are playing said game, talking about it, streaming it etc... It gets more exposure and thus people from other platforms (say PS), wants to get in on the hype, wants to play what others are playing, wants to experience for themselves what they see when others stream the game. That's the halo effect.

It does not mean a Game Pass user will go and buy the game for PS. Come on now.

Same as Hitman 3 had almost 80% of sales on PS platform and game isn't on GamePass. :/ PS4 and XB1 exists before GamePass and even then there were huge sales split in bunch of games. I think you understand the concept. Btw. there is available Outriders demo, so GamePass didn't do shit for PS platform. Unbelievable.

 

[Sw0pDiller]

Haters gona hate lol.. I'm enjoying it playing on gamepass on sony platform you're forced to buy it so you guys want a fucking cookie or something with the daily bashing gamepass threads.

Why do people pretend like gamepass is free?

 

[Concern]

Its going to be different from game to game, and no one is suggesting Gamepass users are also buying games (except the ones taking advantage of the 20% discount you get with Gmaepass), its more about word of mouth from people playing a game they probably wouldnt of bought, but tried said game becaue it was on Gamepass.

Here are what a dev said -

Xbox Game Pass 'quadrupled' Descenders sales says developer Mike Rose

That was unexpected.

www.windowscentral.com

Other Indie devs had said the same too.

I mean i made this post about a situation that probably comes up a lot with the more casual console crowd -

No ones saying a game being on Gamepass is going to generate millions of extra sales, but you are definately going to get people playing games they wouldnt normally play, and spread wom from it.
I mean i bought 'Carrion' because people had been saying how good it was on Gamepass.

Please stop.... you're hurting their narrative here. Let them continue embarrassing themselves parading over paying $70 for the game. This hot take will be back on the first page when mlb releases on GamePass and unfortunately we have to rent it 'free'. And these lucky guys get the luxury of paying another $70.

 

[phil_t98]

Microsoft desperately wants to get out of the HW market and into streaming it’s hilarious.

They can’t wait for Game “I’ll suck your dick for a cheese burger” Pass and streaming to become viable so they can stop the need to make hardware and exclusives

Yeah that’s why they just released 2 consoles

 

[FatKingBallman]

There's no lying. Many indie devs said their games sold more and got more players with GP.

I saw in last 2 years few articles about indie devs whos stated that, not many.

 

[phil_t98]

And another angle will be..... even if MS pays them, how is MS going to offer good money when there’s $1 deals?

MS must have offered a deal pennies on the dollar and the dev was forced to take it.

It’s not $1 though, that’s were people getting it wrong.

 

[vkbest]

So having $70 less in your wallet is a win now?

Those $70 is making this game profitable. I will laugh at people like you, when MS get the monopoly, and stop burn their money on those GP deals and the GP's bubble burst.

 

[Arun1910]

Having only 36% more sales on PS5 over the Series consoles is pretty low. It seems there was quite a few salty PS5 owners over the game being on Gamepass lol.

How is that your conclusion?

Maybe the reason is that they just don't like the game?

 

[dcmk7]

Please stop.... you're hurting their narrative here. Let them continue embarrassing themselves parading over paying $70 for the game. This hot take will be back on the first page when mlb releases on GamePass and unfortunately we have to rent it 'free'. And these lucky guys get the luxury of paying another $70.

He quoted a developer who came off Game Preview and straight into GamePass.

Therefore quadrupling not a lot to begin with.

 

[Flutta]

I mean are you surprised that rentpass is killing off game sales. Imagine believing all those fluff aritcles/threads spreading lies that rentapss is increasing sales.

 

[Sevenfold]

So... All of those 17% own an Xbox and DON'T HAVE GAMEPASS?!?!?

 

[Flutta]

Lol.... What's your problem. Show me on the doll where Phil touched you.

Show me on the doll where you like to be touched by Phil.

 

[vkbest]

So... All of those 17% own an Xbox and DON'T HAVE GAMEPASS?!?!?

There are 10 million of GP subscribers, Xbox sold between 45 and 50 million of consoles, that is at max a 25%. Besides many GP subs are coming from PC. So yes, at least a 75% of Xbox users don’t have GamePass

 

[LisaMariaMartin]

Thats actually not that bad considering its on Game Pass. 17% physical sales + whatever MS paid + massive exposure to 18M+ users.

I love how stupid some people are to try and twist this into a negative lol. We will see in the coming months if Square satisfied when FF7 upgrade drops for free on GP.

 

[Three]

Why do people pretend like gamepass is free?

The same reason they use to call PS+ games 'free games' though I guess paid online without games was a thing so it depends how you look at it.

 

[v_iHuGi]

It's clear as day that GamePass doesn't increase games sales.

I don't even know why you guys believe that in the first place.

Square Enix got their 20/50 millions and call it a day, the rest is bonus on Xbox.

 

[Mmnow]

Physical stores in the UK are still shut down, and I haven't seen Outriders in the supermarkets (where games tend to be completely ignored unless they're guaranteed sales).

Both these numbers are artificially low because of that. No passing trade, no "looks okay" purchases - basically this is just the percentages of people who bought it on Amazon.

If you're going to go out of the way to buy something online, it's probably just as easy to get it digitally or through Gamepass.

Those numbers would be facinating to see (although not nearly for the console warring purposes of OP).

 

[tomasdk]

Is "Gamepass is bad" the new "Nintendo is doomed"?
Because if so, aaaany day now.

 

[Shmunter]

There are 10 million of GP subscribers, Xbox sold between 45 and 50 million of consoles, that is at max a 25%. Besides many GP subs are coming from PC. So yes, at least a 75% of Xbox users don’t have GamePass

If accurate, the gutting of individual sales on the platform is disproportionate with the subscriber numbers.

 

[Serengrad]

It's clear as day that GamePass doesn't increase games sales.

I don't even know why you guys believe that in the first place.

Square Enix got their 20/50 millions and call it a day, the rest is bonus on Xbox.

It's clear as day based on the first couple days of retail sales in a single market.

Sure.

 

[phil_t98]

There are 10 million of GP subscribers, Xbox sold between 45 and 50 million of consoles, that is at max a 25%. Besides many GP subs are coming from PC. So yes, at least a 75% of Xbox users don’t have GamePass

Gamepass numbers was at 18 million at last count, where did you get 10 million from?

 

[Clear]

I guess it's hard to see how Netflix is sustainable with solely a sub plan revenue stream, no other sources of sales, and they pay a ton in original series, licensing costs for 4,000 movies and 2,000 tv episodes, and bandwidth/servers.

They hit a critical mass at some point and has been profitable for years.

See the problem with this is Netflix has 286million subscribers. GamePass isn't in the same ballpark. Also, procurement costs per title are no doubt higher and although the range of titles on the menu is smaller so is the global pool from which the content is drawn. This is important as it makes this aspect more vulnerable to economic fluctuation.

My suspicion is that MS will be willing to take a short-term hit in the sense that they will be amenable to cutting favourable deals with third-parties until their internal product pipeline matures sufficiently that they can offer a marquee title every month.

 

[Three]

Physical stores in the UK are still shut down, and I haven't seen Outriders in the supermarkets (where games tend to be completely ignored unless they're guaranteed sales).

Both these numbers are artificially low because of that. No passing trade, no "looks okay" purchases - basically this is just the percentages of people who bought it on Amazon.

If you're going to go out of the way to buy something online, it's probably just as easy to get it digitally or through Gamepass.

Those numbers would be facinating to see (although not nearly for the console warring purposes of OP).

These are all percentages. It would not make a lick of difference. If somebody is ordering on amazon vs going to the shop they are doing that on both platforms. If somebody is buying digitally instead of ordering online they are doing that on both platforms. Unless you have some evidence of an unknown discrepancy between them there is no point of bringing up the total amount or covid. There is no difference that I am aware of.

 

[FatKingBallman]

It's clear as day that GamePass doesn't increase games sales.

Don't be so sure. ( hint : there is an available demo for this game).

It's not a claim lol it's a fact, multiplatform games launching into Game Pass help increase sales on all platforms. Devs have backed that up. Not really sure why you're so focused on this percentage... Of course a game sells less on a console where it's available for free compared to one where you have to buy it. Is that supposed to be a negative for Xbox and its users? Look at all the positive buzz the Game Pas announcement created for the game. SE has to be thrilled, and this games' success on Game Pass is only going to lead to more AAA games launching on the service.

Devs backed that up for Xbox, not PS platform, nor Switch. LOL

Sounded like b*******, right? Weirdly, it's true. It surprised me. Being on Xbox Game Pass means that you basically have constant featuring on Xbox. Your game is on the dashboard all the time... People are seeing our game every day. And because of that, during launch month, our Xbox sales — we didn't do any discounts on it or anything

Xbox Game Pass 'quadrupled' Descenders sales says developer Mike Rose

That was unexpected.

www.windowscentral.com

Xbox fans are trying to spin every single fuckin crap

 

[phil_t98]

These are all percentages. It would not make a lick of difference. If somebody is ordering on amazon vs going to the shop they are doing that on both platforms. If somebody is buying digitally instead of ordering online they are doing that on both platforms. Unless you have some evidence of an unknown discrepancy between them there is no point of bringing up the total amount or covid. There is no difference that I am aware of.

Also if you look at opening post it says ps5 and ps4 but only says xbox series and doesn’t say xbox one so there could be a discrepancy through that maybe

 

[Concern]

These are all percentages. It would not make a lick of difference. If somebody is ordering on amazon vs going to the shop they are doing that on both platforms. If somebody is buying digitally instead of ordering online they are doing that on both platforms. Unless you have some evidence of an unknown discrepancy between them there is no point of bringing up the total amount or covid. There is no difference that I am aware of.

So you're saying your assumption is right and his is wrong right? Lol

You guys are going to keep me entertained at work all day today, aren't you?