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Outriders retails at 17% in UK on Xbox (due to being free to all XGPU subscribers), PlayStation 4/5 has 83% of retail sales
- Thread starter Mr.NiceGuy
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It's common sense... Game gets announced for Game Pass, Xbox gamers who previously had no interest in the game take notice and start to get hyped and spread the hype to their friends across all platforms. It's called word of mouth, it isn't some new concept.
FatKingBallman
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Gamepass has nothing to do with PlayStation nor Switch nor their userbase, but it has to do with Xbox( or PC ) platform. PS gamers can consume any sort of media other than GamePass. Please provide a statement where Phil or any exec from Xbox said that Game Pass users buys more games outside where Gamepass exits? Why people wouldn't buy digitally where it has 20% discount, so, Xbox, but it will buy it for PS/Switch platform instead??
It makes no sense because they are saying it being on Game pass increased sales, helped sales on Playstation.
If Game pass didnt exist the split would have still been in favor of Playstation. If they mean the percentage.....this percentage has been like this off and on all last gen.
........why do ppl think Game Pass was created in the first place.....
lol, the game had a beta/demo on Playstation. Even if it didnt...please explain other games that didnt launch on Game Pass but still sold the most on Playstation then.
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nikolino840
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So is a successful game or not?
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Dude come on, it's not a hard concept to grasp. The game launching on Game Pass increased its visibility across all platforms, not just Xbox. PlayStation gamers see the hype for the game caused by Game Pass and decide to buy it.
GHG
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The result won't be what you think it will be.
So what do you say to physical game collectors? That there's no point because the experience is the same if you play the game via gamepass? At the end of the day everyone values things differently. If you no longer see the value in game ownership anymore (whether physical or digital) due to gamepass then at the end of the day that's your choice.
If I like something I want to own it from the moment I decide I like it. I dip in and out of games over time and don't want to feel pressured to finish a game within a certain period of time because it might disappear from a service or because I might be thinking about cancelling my sub for whatever reason.
For what it's worth, the end game for all these subscription services is for them to take things a step further and be streaming only. Maybe at that point you'll start to value ownership but we will see when we get there.
Stuart360
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On PC, its pretty huge. On console, it seems a bit of a low burner, surprisingly so for me.
Apparently now Game Pass is for Sony too. Well damn, if thats the case, no need for Sony to have an answer for Game Pass. It already increases sales on Playstation. Thanks Phil!!!
Stop...
I'll tell you what, let's revisit this when the next multi platform game doesnt launch on Game Pass. And see where most of the sales come from.
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What's there to explain? There are like 2x as many PlayStations and Xboxes. Without Game Pass there would have been a similar split, there just would have been a lot less copies sold.
"For Descenders, it has been immense. Sales across all platforms increased after we went into Game Pass" – What does Game Pass mean for indies? - Business News - MCV/DEVELOP
With Microsoft making aggressive, headline-grabbing moves with its subscription service, we find out what Game Pass’ recent developments mean for smaller creators - MCV/DEVELOP
www.mcvuk.com
Here's an article for some of the slower people in this thread lol.
"Sales across all platforms increased after we went into Game Pass – for example, Steam sales tripled since Game Pass – and Xbox sales themselves quadrupled after Game Pass."
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FatKingBallman
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Not in the UK
martino
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that's not how real world interactions and effect of word of mouth work.
when i say to my friends a game is good not all of them buy it on the same platform i buy it on. (most of the time if it's 3rd party i have it on pc and most of them on PS for example)
because as mysterious it seems to be for you reading your augment irl friends are not chosen because of their preferred platform.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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How is the reality different when that has been the case for certain games? It not being the case for one game doesn't mean the other game follows suit.
All of the things you're thinkin you were right about in hindsight, you're still wrong about because there are more examples of games where people have done those very things versus games where they haven't.
Yeah, I thought that was really weird too: where are the XBO sales figures at? Are they lumped in with Series? Did the game even get an XBO/One X port?
I know PS has more marketshare in UK over Xbox but I'm curious why there are no XBO figures included?
This is also something else to take into consideration; preorders for the game were going a while before the GamePass announcement came about, IIRC the game was revealed around middle of last year and pre-orders opened...when, exactly? I know it was way before the Day 1 GamePass announcement came, anyway.
So there's that, the fact that marketing probably hasn't prominently emphasized Xbox (and why would it? it's a multiplat release with no co-marketing deals AFAIK), that the retail figures don't include XBO (dunno what's up with that), and that these only include retail and not digital, where the lionshare of software sales seem to be coming from these days especially during these lockdowns.
I mean, retail performance is very good for the game on PS4 and PS5 and that's in turn good for the game and (hopefully) long-term userbase, but I don't get the people trying to use this as a slam against GamePass or Xbox considering all of the other variables just mentioned above that we don't have any information on
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You are welcome to go and revisit any sales thread, article about game splits before Game Pass launched, and before multi platform games launched on Game Pass.
Hobbygaming
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This. I can see this having an affect on deciding to port games to Xbox or not
It's obvious that Microsoft is killing their traditional software sales, it's simply the downside of something like Gamepass.
You're cultivating a userbase that tries something for a while just to jump on the next "free" game when they're bored.
And Xbox losing steam on software charts has been happening widely even for games that are not on Gamepass, see Hitman 3 and others.
It seems like the mentality is becoming not to pay for games among Xbox users.
Is this sustainable? Yes until a single side that is Microsoft is willing to pay the bills for everyone: the consumers who are not buying the games and the developers who want to get paid beforehand for the lost sales.
What's gonna happen long term who knows.
You're cultivating a userbase that tries something for a while just to jump on the next "free" game when they're bored.
And Xbox losing steam on software charts has been happening widely even for games that are not on Gamepass, see Hitman 3 and others.
It seems like the mentality is becoming not to pay for games among Xbox users.
Is this sustainable? Yes until a single side that is Microsoft is willing to pay the bills for everyone: the consumers who are not buying the games and the developers who want to get paid beforehand for the lost sales.
What's gonna happen long term who knows.
Moving the goalposts lol. What do sales splits have to do with Increased sales across all platforms?
Zeroing
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I have the impression that everyone is trolling each other and everyone thinks they are all being serious about it.
I dunno, I never ate one.
Aguero9320
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The only interesting thing about this thread is that it’s a possible indicator that GamePass is a runaway train with Xbox gamers... Shit must be massive.
Well played Spencer and Nadella - balls the size of watermelons.
Well played Spencer and Nadella - balls the size of watermelons.
So....the word of mouth of Xbox users increases sales on other platforms. Okay....
Because thats the only thing that might make some kind of sense right now.
FatKingBallman
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thelastword
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It's not exactly $70 you are saving, Gamepass is $15 a month or maybe $1 at times. Yet you do not own the game unlike the guy at retail. The question is, how long will MS be able to offset that $69 or $55 loss per game? We do not know the variables on MS side, devs/publishers probably sign an NDA on the gamepass contractual terms, so we do not know the details, however being optimistic that's it's more than worth it for the devs is just optimism without the facts......The figures here on the other hand are factual, it's tangible data... whilst gamepass data is obsfucated....
More players on XBOX, how can we deduce that.....An expectation isn't a reality. I think there is website which shows how many people are playing a certain game, but with the way stats are assembled for these things, especially gamepass, we know if you boot a game and shut it down it registers as a game you played, even some demos registers as you playing the game. So we have to be careful with figures that are so carefully narrated without much in raw detail.....
Well I remember a time when Phil said gamepass creates more sales, it was a hot topic and trending for a while, however no raw data on that was provided either....The truth is, gamepass is not responsible for increasing PS higher sales ratio, that was established since last gen on many multiplatform games.....Some games even had a 90:10 ratio favoring PS, so it's not a new trend and that's before gamepass and nothing has changed really. PS is just more dominant at retail because of a larger installbase and the brand....In essence devs make more money there...
Abriael_GN
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Console war threads are making less and less sense 'round here.
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FatKingBallman
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So....the word of mouth of Xbox users increases sales on other platforms. Okay....
Because thats the only thing that might make some kind of sense right now.
Really, i thought i've heard it all from Xbox fans. LOL. They forgetting that PS4 and Xbone exists before Gamepass.
Yeah, by its stupidity.
Demon2blades
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Game looks good Wanted to try this on gamepass pc but found out it's not on pc gamepass .
Reizo Ryuu
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Well I told my friend on ps4 to get it so we could play together, another friend got in on pc when I said I would get it day one; so yeah those are at least 2 extra sales on other platforms from word of mouth
Mr Moose
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FatKingBallman
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So, i've heard too that GamePass is increasing PS5 and Switch sales, but Xbox Series console are selling less than XB1 in same time-frame. But people also told me that GamePass and XSS is no brainer for gamers. So, which is it then?
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Stuart360
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Just going by what it says in the tweet. 52% PS5, 17% Xbox Series.
TheDreadLord
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Fulcizombie
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The game is fantastic actually
There's no point for me, personally, I never cared for collecting videogames. Other than that the vast majority of games stay on gamepass for a very long time. You always have the right to buy a game, it is not like gamepass forbids you to do it.
Anyway I don’t even see the point that you are arguing about, I am happy that I downloaded the game and started playing it day one on my subscription service , you are happy that you paid 60$ for it.
I hope MS has more big 3rd party games day one on gamepass. I will even take games a few months after release, like dirt 5.
martino
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i was not referring to Xbox users specifically and i highly doubt the effect is possible with marketed games.So....the word of mouth of Xbox users increases sales on other platforms. Okay....
Because thats the only thing that might make some kind of sense right now.
the point is word of mouth is platform agnostic (and take time)
now my question to you and your ps buddies is why trying to generalize something about game-pass spinning/ingoring what initial statements and examples are using a marketed game 4 days after release ?
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Mr Moose
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I think that 17% must include Xbox One, otherwise it sold 0% on that console. I'm too lazy to ask him.
FatKingBallman
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Xbox series and Xbox One are 1 SKU. There is NO separate SKU like PS4/PS5
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What good is far more players on xbox for a game that's crossplay? This is just illustrating the point people have been making that gamepass decreases sales and it's the reason people are giving now, tomorrow we will be back to pretending it increases sales though so don't worry.
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Mr Moose
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Oh that makes sense.Xbox series and Xbox One are 1 SKU
Stuart360
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I dont think any of the figures are correct to be honest. 52% sales on PS5 compared to 31% on PS4, even though PS4 probably has what?, 20 tiimes the number of consoles in the UK?
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FatKingBallman
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Same thing happened with Miles Morales IIRC
Looks like fast transition to PS5 is happening. Just like Jim Ryan stated last year.
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Stuart360
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Yeah but its not like you can go into a store and buy a PS5 in the UK. There must be a hell of a lot of PS gamrs that are willing to miss out on games, and buy them when they eventually geta PS5.
I get that, but to the tune of 83%? You have a poster saying it being on Game Pass helped sales across the board. If thats the case its gonna be interesting seeing how well The Show does, with word of mouth from players of previous The Show games. Outriders launched on both platforms at the same time.Well I told my friend on ps4 to get it so we could play together, another friend got in on pc when I said I would get it day one; so yeah those are at least 2 extra sales on other platforms from word of mouth
Seems some ppl like to prop up Game Pass a lil too much. Its good for what it offers, but its not effecting Sony users to buy the game on Playstation when it launched at the same time.
Sony didnt need Game Pass exposure or word of mouth from Xbox users for that, it was probably gonna happen anyway.
The same way ppl ignore, spin why some companies arent all in on a game pass type service. This one game is just one example.
Do you think Square Enix is upset about the sales on Playstation? Its win/win for them.
Money to launch on Game Pass, lots of sales on Playstation.
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