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Report: PS3, Vita, And PSP Stores To Be Permanently Closed In A Few Months
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Makes sense.
I said a similar thing comparing console stores to Steam and GOG. If they can offer multiple platforms in their online stores where all a gamer has to do is filter by Windows, OSX and Linux, how hard can it be to have Sony servers to adjust the store to have PS3, PS4 and PS5?
balls of snow
Member
Absolutely wild that Killzone trilogy, Resistance trilogy, Motorstorm trilogy, The Ratchet and clank games and metal gear solid 4 will effectively cease to exist after july. Bad move sony.
Miles708
Member
DeadOblivion78
Member
Was there even a big outcry similar to this when Nintendo shut down the Wii shop or is outrage only exclusive to PlayStation?
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
They won't "cease to exist" at all. Stop it.
Existing physical and digital copies will persist. Furthermore physical copies can continue to be sold and resold as before. Hell, physical copies of all of the affected systems' software can in fact be reprinted upon request by an enterprising publisher.
Literally the only thing that has happened is Sony have shut down the storefront.
That they've gone this route does suggests 2 things. 1. Sales via the digital storefront have slowed so much that they cannot cover the costs of maintaining the service. 2. By "clearing the decks" so-to-speak for digital sales of PS3 era software the path is now open to repackage them for sale on their current gen systems.
Confirmed
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PlayStation Store to close for PS3 and PSP on July 2, PS Vita on August 27
Sony Interactive Entertainment will close the PlayStation Store on PlayStation 3 on July 2 and PS Vita on August 27, the company announced. The remaining purchase functionality for PSP will also en…
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It's crazy that 3 generations of PlayStation history will cease to exist. Yes you can try find these games.for a inflated price on eBay for the physical versions. To people who say well you have time to buy a game you want now. That's the problem you never know what you may randomly buy one day. I once seen a YouTube video of Beyond Good and Evil. And thought that looks cool and grabbed it on the PS3 store. Imagine in the future someone plays Metal Gear Solid V for the first time. Then decides I like this let me check out the older games, well too bad you can't.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Gee, what some of us have been saying this whole time about the Download List.
Keihart
Member
This so much, it's like people defending sony don't even own PS3 and Vita or know how PS Store works.
Derktron
Banned
Some Sony fanboys.PS execs :
Pantz
Member
same for old books and music right? get rid of em, too old.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Well, it depends on the person and what the company's motive is.
I think most people understand that with technology you can only go so far with BC and keeping things up and running. PC, Steam and GOG seem to do a good job at a storefront that cover new, old and different computer platforms. Consoles not so much.
I bought probably 20 XBLIG games on 360. Lots of good ones for $1 too. I can't play them on Xbox One or later systems. And I already sold my 360. So I'm screwed. For me, I don't care since there's only a couple games I would like to play and I don't think any of those games ever got BC'ed or released on new systems. They all died. None of devs transitioned anything over. Not worth the hassle. I think it had to do with XNA or some shit
If some technology dies with a system, I think at some point most people understand.
However, if the motive is something like pressuring gamers to rebuy games on a newer system by cutting off access to old games that's different. And with digital files, there's no manufacturing discs or store inventory. It's literally like GOG selling a 1990 game for $2 right beside Cyberpunk 2077 for $50. They do it. There isn't a hard cut off where every game that came out before 2010 is inaccessible.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
This has got nothing to do with preservation its just dummies acting hysterically based on an impulse to hoard and FOMO.
Keihart
Member
ofcourse, because you understand everyone motives and can lump them in a straw man you see fit. Everyone in a tiny little box that makes you understand how can anyone be complaining about something you don't care about.
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Dr.Morris79
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Sony shuts all the stores, most peoples reaction?
Throw money at Sony, quickly!
Ha, fuck them. Dont give them a dime.
Throw money at Sony, quickly!
Ha, fuck them. Dont give them a dime.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
I wrote a long post yesterday about the difference between collecting and hoarding and I have no desire to repeat myself, especially for people who I doubt are arguing in good faith.
This is not about preservation, because if something is just available to buy it doesn't need to preserved, just bought!
Kinda obvious really.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Books, movies and games released after 2013 should not exist. They are old and outdated. Looking to the future is the only thing that matters.
Everyone, please gather all forms of media purchased before 2013 and toss it on the pile, so that it may be dealt with appropriately.
Thank you.
Everyone, please gather all forms of media purchased before 2013 and toss it on the pile, so that it may be dealt with appropriately.
Thank you.
Fox Mulder
Member
Nice they finally cared to confirm it at least. It sucks, but they’ll sell every ps5 made anyways and their leadership already thinks old games are trash.
There’s still games I wanted to play on ps3, but fuck it at this point. I like MS’s attitude towards their legacy content and need to get an Xbox Series X. I hear you can even play ps1 games on it.
There’s still games I wanted to play on ps3, but fuck it at this point. I like MS’s attitude towards their legacy content and need to get an Xbox Series X. I hear you can even play ps1 games on it.
Wizz-Art
Member
At this point I feel Sony is just trolling their most loyal customers to see how they keep defending them 24/7 after another anti-consumer move. There's absolutely no reason other than company greed to make such a move after the news they hand out bonuses after the profits they made, cut a tiny bit off those bonuses and keep the storefronts alive!
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Malcolm9
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A bit different when they can work on anything pretty much.
Agent X
Member
The funny thing is that the "old" PlayStation Store on the Web (for which they finally sealed off the last remnants a few days ago) did have such filtering options. It's just that for whatever reason, they totally revamped the Web-based store, to a different format and design which is almost universally considered to be inferior to the old one. Many features were cut, one of which was the ability to filter by platform. Since the design staff couldn't be bothered to code in a proper filter, Sony's "solution" to the problem is to simply cut off purchasing access to that content altogether.
(If you think about it, there must be some sort of filter on the back end...otherwise, how would they be able to distinguish that a piece of content is for an older system and should be hidden from view?)
There were some complaints, for sure. I think the outrage is larger for Sony''s situation, since Nintendo's online store was regarded as much weaker, in terms of available content and consumer reach. There was considerably more content available for PS3, even at that time, despite the Wii having a much larger user base. I'd bet even the PSP and Vita racked up more digital sales than the Wii ever did.
Nintendo's situation was actually significantly worse, since purchases are bound to a single system. You could (even today) redownload your purchased content to the same Wii system that it was originally purchased from...and only to that system. If you purchase another Wii (e.g. for another room, or because your old one broke), then you can't download to that system.
UsualNoise
Member
The reason this is a bummer for me is I love Rock Band. I also love Rock Band DLC. I have a ton of it that works on RB1, 2, 3. However, I always am discovering more songs I'd like to add. Not having the option to buy any more after July is annoying. But as others have suggested the PS3 is now easily hackable so thanks, Sony, for finally getting me to do it. (And yes, I did the same with my Wii when the Wii Shop closed.) I'm not super confident the "you can still download purchases" factoid will last forever either.
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Its not just a matter of filtration. The download list option filters according to what games registered to your account are appropriate for the host system, whereas of course for the purposes of trophies it needs make no such distinction.
Shutting down the sales portal cuts off the bridge between the provider and the buyer, its not just consumers that are affected by this change its the content providers too who now will have to go via PSNow or some new alternative if they wish to monetize their content. Essentially it allows Sony to close a whole bunch of business accounts that most likely have been sitting idle for years, or get them to revise their thinking about how they'd like to deal in the future.
Point being, its not just about the consumer. Simply allowing existing "owned" (i.e. licensed) content to continue to be downloaded fully covers that angle, and this is much more about the business side of things.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
As someone who purchased a PS3 game just before Christmas and has a pretty big PS3 digital library and exclusively digital on Vita, I'm not that bothered. All I care about is being able to download the games I bought already, which is being kept. They are giving me fair warning to buy any more games I want before then.
I just wish the trade off was a better purchase history/download list on the Vita, it's terrible finding games I've bought.
Agent X
Member
(raises hand)
I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think this is being done to "pressure" people to buy the games on a newer system. The overwhelming majority of non-cross-buy games aren't on the newer systems...and if someone already had the game for the older system, they aren't being forced to repurchase the game.
Some people in this thread are shouting "greed"...but it's really not that at all. If anything, it's more like laziness, either in programming the new PS Store and/or negotiating rights to software licenses that might be expiring.
Take the PS1 classics, for example. They never brought those to PS4 or PS5. But, it's not like they're reselling those particular games on PS4 or PS5. They're not available at all on those systems. That is what people are complaining about.
There's no reason these games have to vanish from the digital marketplace. Sony should do at least one of the following (preferably both):
- Keep those games available for purchase for PS3/PSP/PS Vita, for people who still own and enjoy those systems
- Make those games available for purchase for PS4/PS5 (and with cross-buy carryover this time around...not like the stunt they pulled with PS2 classics)
Crimson_Fate
Member
I can understand Sony shutting down multiplayer game servers , but they already have a PS-Store it does not take much effort to just allow people to purchase existing games that don't need external servers
This sounds more like Sony trying to force you to PSNOW to experience the older gen games by taking away the option to own them.
There are still a few vita games I was thinking of getting at some point. I think I will just pass on them rather then give any more $ to Sony for this move.
This sounds more like Sony trying to force you to PSNOW to experience the older gen games by taking away the option to own them.
There are still a few vita games I was thinking of getting at some point. I think I will just pass on them rather then give any more $ to Sony for this move.
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Dr.Morris79
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Spot on X.
Agent X
Member
Wouldn't it be beneficial for everyone to allow publishers and/developers to "opt in" on keeping their PS3/PSP/Vita content available on the online store?
There might be some old digital distribution contents that are expiring. I am sure there are some publishers and developers that have gone out of business, or don't really care about their old works anymore. At the same time, there are surely other publishers/developers that do care, and would like to see their content remain available today.
Why doesn't Sony communicate with active publishers/developers, and ask them if they want to keep their games available? The interested publishers can respond and opt in, and those games will be renewed and reactivated, while the publishers that are defunct or don't care can decline (or simply don't respond) and their games can disappear into the abyss.
BattleScar
Member
Last I checked, Yoshida is still working at Sony.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I highly recommend getting Front Mission 3, especially if you enjoy tactics and mech games.
If you’ve ever been curious about some PS1 games then nows the time to jump in IMO.
If you’ve ever been curious about some PS1 games then nows the time to jump in IMO.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Gee, I wonder if that patent for emulation will finally come into play.
93xfan
Banned
Just picked up a copy of PS3 Nights.
Then remembered I have it on fucking Steam
You know a number of these games are available on the Xbox ecosystem (where they play on the newest console).
I also wonder how long Sony will let us redownload purchases. I’ll be this is one step closer to completely getting rid of our old purchases.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
As I mentioned before its more I suspect about the maintaining the security of these portals than any other administrative aspect. Essentially while these things remain live they need to be kept secure for the benefit of both themselves and their clients (business and consumer), and that requires a team be kept around to maintain them in case some new vulnerability or exploit is discovered.
Bottom line is always going to be whether the cost of keeping the storefronts open is justified by the income it generates, an amount I assume is pretty insignificant at this point.
I think the giveaway is that they are only allowing people to redeem vouchers on these systems. Basically that unhooks them from any sort of direct money transfer going forwards.
93xfan
Banned
Great post. I used to love PlayStation so much!
Sold my PS4 Pro and went Xbox/Switch a couple of years ago. Will keep my PS3 Slim for remasters and PS1 classics, but no more Sony consoles for me.
-poor BC
-Socom
-Studio closures (Team Ico, Psygnosis, Evolution, etc)
-PSone Classic was a slap in the face
-shutting down servers
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MeatSafeMurderer
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My god...how ignorant of preservation can you be? If you don't take steps to preserve something while it can still be bought then when it can't be bought anymore (which will happen whether you want to believe it or not) it'll already be too late...it'll already be lost to time.
Situations like this one further cement the PC as the ultimate platform to play. In 2 clicks you can go from Policenauts (English patched) to Forza Horizon to Total War.
Sony could sell me a PS5 for 200 USD. I would not buy it. I don't trust console platform holders, japanese most of all. Not sure what happened to them, they used to be great when it came to legacy support, both Sony and Nintendo.
Sony could sell me a PS5 for 200 USD. I would not buy it. I don't trust console platform holders, japanese most of all. Not sure what happened to them, they used to be great when it came to legacy support, both Sony and Nintendo.
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Hypereides
Member
They can already do that. Just because cases like that don't appear regularly doesn't mean they don't have that kind of authority. There's already been some instances of publishers reaching into libraries and taking out specific titles for various reasons.
If anything people are vesting too much trust in publishers keeping their fingers for themselves in a digital arena where everything is intangible.
Agent X
Member
I should have clarified that I was referring to the PlayStation Store on the Web.
I understand that they're closing the PS Store on the PS3/PSP/PS Vita systems themselves. I'd be fine with that, as long as purchases could still be accomplished from the Web version of PS Store.
According to Sony's announcement, it will still be possible to purchase a PS3/PSP/PS Vita game from the Web version of PS Store, as long as that game happens to be cross-buy with PS4 or PS5. So, the cross-buy games will still be purchasable, and the non-cross-buy games won't.
What I'm asking is where do you (or Sony) perceive to be the most vulnerable points of the PS Store commerce process? I would guess (especially based on two paragraphs above) that it's the PS Store within the consoles, since some games (the cross-buy ones) would still be purchasable through the Web.
If the Web PS Store is considered more secure than the existing PS Store interfaces on PS3/PSP/PS Vita, then why not start migrating that content to the Web store? Obviously, they're not interested in patching or maintaining the PS Store interfaces within the old consoles. Like I said, fine. Just keep the Web PS Store up to snuff, and encourage PS3/PSP/PS Vita owners to use that avenue from now on. Customers will be doing that for cross-buy games in a few months anyway (regardless of whether they own PS4/PS5 or not), so why not just let publishers of non-cross-buy games opt in on the action also?
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