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[NX Gamer] Control: Ultimate Edition Console Performance Review (PS5 & Xbox Series X|S)
- Thread starter Tickle My Tendies
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Superayate
Member
Yep I have found Quantum Break really boring.
Superayate
Member
You're little too much in fanboy mode this time.
Sorry but to be fair, I capture this screen with the sub-titles just to remember what NXG said about the performances between PS5/XsX in 60fps mode 
Self
Member
To be fair: These dudes are also within GAF. You just want to talk about a game or the tech and the political idiots come rushing in.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Cute. In reality, Remedy did a lazy PC to XSX port and called it a day, hence the same issues persist on both systems.
mejin
Member
Xbox guys love rough treatment.
Shmunter
Member
This game has more legacy code than resetera has soy transfusionsBut, it’s loading 1 second slower. What happened to all the SSD talk?
SkylineRKR
Member
Its crazy how those jerk offs pile up on someone until he gets fired over whats basically nothing and then move on to the next.
I hope they get fired over nothing themselves one day. They'll love it. If they're employed anyway.
I hope they get fired over nothing themselves one day. They'll love it. If they're employed anyway.
Agreed. Censorship over there is absolutely abhorrent and doesn't reflect real-world scenarios. The whole point of a forum is to discuss the intricacies of a subject not ban people that disagree; that's called a dictatorship.
I can't help but feel that it's a place for people on the fringes of society to feel 'safe' and turn the tables against the 'normies' but I could just be reaching.
Mr Moose
Member
Weird halo around the reflection and people having sex in the background.
SkylineRKR
Member
GAF is obviously more right than ERA. But my impression, and i'm back for a year or so, is that GAF is much more in balance. I don't venture much in politics forum, but on the gaming and off topic side I mean. I see both sides posting, without bans being handed out like candy. I politics I read posters either praising and trashing Trump.
On Era is this is not possible. If you venture a bit to the right wing, or if you sing a little praise about Trump, you're permed before you can back it up. Hell, if you question anything about LGBTQ, you'll be dog piled and then silenced. Fucking cult.
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I do have my doubts he really knows what he's talking about... he tends to repeat illogical fan boy arguments, after all he is on here He mentions oodle texture compression as being the reason for the small install size ...that was already discussed in its own thread on here and it doesn't make sense.
The XSX loads the game a fraction faster than the PS5.. now if the PS5 textures are nearly half the size of the Series version and have hardware decompression and the Series doesn't , the PS5 would be an order of magnitude faster at loading the level initially.
I believe its much more likely the small size is down to the removal of duplicate and unused textures which would have been packaged together to aid loading off a mechanical disc. The lack of stutters may just be down to the optimisation done on the PS5 build which the devs have stated had a lot of work done and is substantially different to the PS4 build.
I think the next gen IO stuff is great and will be huge benefit going forward I just don't see it here.
bender
What time is it?
Where the heck glass is anyway? Also this is with RT off = performance mode. How about this?
Her head isn't tilted in the PS5 version. Come on son, at least post like for like.
Mr Moose
Member
If it does use different compression to the Series X version, doesn't it show that it is decompressing things faster? It has to unpack the more compressed files and is almost equal in loading times. Is that not how it works?
JimboJones
Member
Xbox lacks dedicated HedTlt hardware, has to be run in software.
Silent Viper
Banned
This proves they just ported PC version to SX with no optimization. PS5 clearly got more attention. First party game level of work has gone into PS5 version.
25 gb on PS5 compared to same pc version size on SX proves that either they didn't have access to tools or didnt put much effort in SX version.
PS5 version in many ways even better than PC version. It has smaller install size, much faster loadtimes and no stutters that exist even on PC version occasionally. Above all PS5 version is free with Plus. So yeah PS5 takes the cake here. No point of any argument here.
Knitted Knight
Banned
All drama aside..... Big props to Remedy for almost halving the game install size for the PS5 version. Hopefully Xbox gets in on the fun sooner or later as well. Game sizes are out of control, pun intended.
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kuncol02
Banned
Absolutely fucking not. PS5 hardware decompresor is supposed to have output of 22gb/s of uncompressed date. XSX around 5gb/s. If anything PS5 should decompress data multiple times faster.
Silent Viper
Banned
DF clearly said it just gpu benchmark took.
PC gamers use 3d mark nd all to test gpu capability all the time.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
The difference has nothing to do with what the image is showing. The stutters on XSX happen because the character is riding up an elevator (as in new stuff is getting loaded). That's literally the reason. Same thing happens on PC.
Basically we went from "photo mode means nothing" to "riding up an elevator mode means everything".
Mr Moose
Member
So you're saying that's not how decompression works? I'm only used to it on PC files, not in games.
bender
What time is it?
The Hamburglar
Banned
Much prefer him to df crap shit show.
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kuncol02
Banned
It works that way if you not account for hardware decompression which both consoles supposedly use there.
Mr Moose
Member
Hmm, the 22GB/s is best case right? If we take what Cerny said (typical 8-9GB/s) then it might check out. 4.8GB/s + 68% (68% better compressed on PS5) is 8GB/s. I could be completely wrong and they aren't even using Kraken stuff though and I might be fucking up some math or condition somewhere lol.
NXGamer
Member
I agree and the biggest issue is they are not even sticking to any facts, just running off with made up nonsense, lies and exaggerations. This is indicative of the general lack of any real-life experience or any knowledge beyond the pseudo online "cancel all things" attitude rather than any conversation.
That said, I am very grateful for the support here and I would like to leave the whole "distracting" drama to them to just bounce around among themselves, we have serious gaming tech to discuss here ;-)
Just for note, my channel is still going and I have a video planned to release on it today and then get back into a nice flow between IGN and my channel.
Exanthus
Banned
This isn't new for him
kuncol02
Banned
Still faster than XSX can decompress data. With uncompressed data XSX has only 2,4 gb/s of bandwidth. However you calculate that XSX should be 2-4 times slower.
bender
What time is it?
I watched your Wolfenstein coverage just now and you'll be happy to know that your face is safe.
Shmunter
Member
Congratulations, you’ve joined a long line of distinguished cancelees.I agree and the biggest issue is they are not even sticking to any facts, just running off with made up nonsense, lies and exaggerations. This is indicative of the general lack of any real-life experience or any knowledge beyond the pseudo online "cancel all things" attitude rather than any conversation.
That said, I am very grateful for the support here and I would like to leave the whole "distracting" drama to them to just bounce around among themselves, we have serious gaming tech to discuss here ;-)
Just for note, my channel is still going and I have a video planned to release on it today and then get back into a nice flow between IGN and my channel.
It must be liberating to not need to conform to a narrow minded groupthink.
There is no right kind of violence, or the right kind of racism. One begets the other, always has, always will.
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The Hamburglar
Banned
I agree and the biggest issue is they are not even sticking to any facts, just running off with made up nonsense, lies and exaggerations. This is indicative of the general lack of any real-life experience or any knowledge beyond the pseudo online "cancel all things" attitude rather than any conversation.
That said, I am very grateful for the support here and I would like to leave the whole "distracting" drama to them to just bounce around among themselves, we have serious gaming tech to discuss here ;-)
Just for note, my channel is still going and I have a video planned to release on it today and then get back into a nice flow between IGN and my channel.
What are they screaming about Now?
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Leyasu
Banned
He says that the ps5 has the least potent RT. Around a 2070 level and the XsX above.So, thanks to NX Gamer.
The PS5 might have better RT because it's doing more in terms of reflections?
Hence, why XBSX has higher fps in RT.
How does the XBSX have better RT hardware if the PS5 is pushing more reflections and details?
Why is the XBSX dropping frames under PS5 if the GPU supposed to be more powerful?
Why are the tech guys so hang up on TF?
So many question with no answers.
NXGamer
Member
Good to know mate, as I would not want to end up biting your shiny, metal, arse!
assurdum
Banned
NXGamer
Member
On this, my note is not stating which is "right" or "wrong", simply that they are different.
Also, dual reflections are real and happen all the time, Double glazing for example and dependant on the quality of the glass this can distort/refract differently.
Likely here the dual planes are being calculated within the RT algorithm and should not be.
It's just much more unlikely that they have identical load times but are loading in different things. Asset duplication is a fact, assets are duplicated (some several times to speed up loading from a mechanical disk). I'm not saying that the PS5 is definitely not using Kraken or Oodle I just see a much more likely explanation for the difference in game sizes. As others have pointed out if it is using Oodle it should be able to load them in very fast due to hardware support.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
I know this is pedantic and please don't take this as an attack as you do great work and anyone interested in the tech side is much better off for your videos but you say in the video that there are no double reflections on PC or Xbox when there clearly are. You can even see them in your video they are just overlaid like they would be in reality. You can try looking at the reflection in the brass pillar thing from the other side on any of the machines and see that the reflection looks different as there is no glass in front of it.
ethomaz
Banned
It is not something to keep discussing imo... he just believe there were a excessive violence in police part when used gun and killed that woman... policies could have another approach to deal with the invasion... he did not support the invasion.
He lives in UK... I’m not too sure but seems like in UK police only use guns in extreme cases.
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ethomaz
Banned
You did fine... everybody notified the RT differences but Alex keep the mantra “it is equal, Remedy told us” when it is not.
The API implementation is probably giving different results even with the same settings and the PS5 seems to have more reflections even compared with PC (that still has better quality in the results but lack some reflections).
JimboJones
Member
So you think the PS5 is rendering more reflections and thus doing more work leading to dropped frames or what?
ethomaz
Banned
I already played Max Payne... I found it a pretty good game but not the second coming like some here says and the best one it was the last imo that was all Rockstar work with no Remedy involvement and it is where the gameplay shines in the franchise.
Alan Wake is not good... is average.
Quantum Break is better, way better... Control is basically Quantum Break without the TV episodes floor.
So yes I believe Remedy peaked with Control... BTW is was a GOTY content for several critics.
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ethomaz
Banned
I don’t thing the difference in performance is that big with the more reflections... it is probably minimum.
But that is a guess we need tests with a future fix on PC for comparison.
Negotiator101
Member
There are? Could you point it out?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Proper benchmarking stresses all aspects, in a photo-mode a lot of the workload is suspended so you're only testing a portion of the chip/system. So if there's a discrepancy outside of the rasterization pipeline, you can't detect it. Its a fine test if you know what you're looking at, but you can't take it at face-value that its indicative of general performance.
Its important to understand that stalling and bottlenecking tends to happen on the way in and out of the GPU, not within it per se. Occupancy is the result of being able to feed the part with data to capacity.
ethomaz
Banned
Can you show examples?
ethomaz
Banned
There are big differences here.
3Dmak is a benchmark that uses the same code across all hardware stressing all the supported features included in that version of software.
It is basically what you can call an academic benchmark.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
That's the case in most european countries, in France for example even during the riots the police used flashball (rubber ball guns) tasers and lacrymo grenades.
It doesn't mean that there aren't problems with the police but they barely if ever use their guns.To give you an idea in 2018 the french police shot and killed a grand total of 15 people a list that includes terrorists and people that comitted suicide by cops, some of them may be mistakes but I can't find more data.
So let's say between 15 and 20 killed by pôlice each year for 60 to 70 million people.
In comparison in the US the police killed in 2015 1146 people, for a population of 328 millions.
That's a ratio of 4.9 times more population in the US, but 15x4.9 gives about 75 people, still very far from those 1146 people killed by police.
So it is understandable that as an english man NXgamer thought there would be an other response possible from the police officer.
Now all that data sure doesn't take into account criminality in the US vs Europe but it would need to be about 15 times higher than Europe to even the numbers.
Which may be possible I don't have the data and most article I could find are pay per view so I'll just leave it at that.
Now just in case for the mods, it was not an anti american post, just a comparison of statistics, that without further data can't mean much beside showing a global idea.If you find this post problematic please let me know.
Quite correct. Police aren't armed they have a special firearms squad for that and if they discharge their weapon they get a couple of years off pending a full investigation
ethomaz
Banned
We need to realize MS unified the devtools with GDK with that exactly purpose.
The fact PC and Xbox have similar file sizes already shows that.
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