DonJuanSchlong
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Why would you even want of that? Nx rarely covers PC at all. Alex on the other hand, does. DF would become a console channel only without Alex, and would become somewhat PS eccentric with his supposed replacement.
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[NX Gamer] Control: Ultimate Edition Console Performance Review (PS5 & Xbox Series X|S)
- Thread starter Tickle My Tendies
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Tickle My Tendies
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Am I the only one that really likes both NX and DF?
bxrz
Member
NX Gamer is a known PS homer while DF is neutral. Give me DF
Knitted Knight
Banned
Nobody gave a crap about photo mode as a "GPU benchmark" until DF brought it up to gift a W to Xbox. Nobody runs a car with only the transmission - you also need the engine, and everything else. And you can be damn sure it's not going be a recurring theme, only when convenient. NXGamer following suit and bringing that comparison up is something he'll have to break out of. You gotta be the trend setter, not the trend follower. You don't validate the competition, cause the talk will instead be about the competition, not your video.There are plenty of metrics that DF doesn't note (sometimes for inconvenient reasons). The openings are there.
Other than that, very detailed as always. Cleaned up a lot on naming mix-ups and footage not aligning to voice narration that made his previous videos sometimes a tad confusing. Slowly but surely, an improvement.
Other than that, very detailed as always. Cleaned up a lot on naming mix-ups and footage not aligning to voice narration that made his previous videos sometimes a tad confusing. Slowly but surely, an improvement.
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Exanthus
Banned
Nope I like them both. Usually DF get there analysis out first, it's good when NX follows up so he can point out things that could have been originally missed or provide that 2nd opinion.
ethomaz
Banned
The ingame map is really bad.
Knitted Knight
Banned
What incident? genuinely curious - i don't visit reeera unless there is some big drama
All companies be woke these days. You don't want product boycotts and bad PR - companies follow the current, not go against them. It's not personal.
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Tickle My Tendies
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In fairness, it's just being used as benchmark, which is somewhat exciting as we really don't have benchmarking tools (3dmark schores, Cinebench scores, etc) that we have on PC.
Most of these PC benchmarks don't really represent what we experience while playing games either, but they are just tools used to measure performance universally across different hardware.
Obviously, you don't play a game in photo mode. It's just being used as an example of peak performance since the framerate is unlocked in that mode.
Knitted Knight
Banned
The performance during gameplay is the benchmark. Always has been, and always will be the benchmark.
I mean DF was around during the PS3/X360 days. I saw nobody benchmarking PS3's CPU vs. Xbox360 at some random computational task that benefited Cell. Which btw could have been done - just gotta be creative enough, and most importantly, have the incentive to do so. Clearly DF had an incentive to highlight photo-mode that placed the XSX GPU in a favorable light compared to PS5. The folks in denial fall into 3 categories: 1 - truly naive, 2 - indifferent, 3 - keepers of appearances (fronting while knowing).
I mean DF was around during the PS3/X360 days. I saw nobody benchmarking PS3's CPU vs. Xbox360 at some random computational task that benefited Cell. Which btw could have been done - just gotta be creative enough, and most importantly, have the incentive to do so. Clearly DF had an incentive to highlight photo-mode that placed the XSX GPU in a favorable light compared to PS5. The folks in denial fall into 3 categories: 1 - truly naive, 2 - indifferent, 3 - keepers of appearances (fronting while knowing).
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Tickle My Tendies
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Of course, but Photo Mode is the only way to test this game with an uncapped framerate and RT on in Control UE for console. It doesn't mean everything but it counts for something. In computing there are always multiple benchmarks/standards to measure power/performance of a piece of tech.
If all games had uncapped modes where we could see the FR go above 60 (or 30, whatever) then this wouldn't be a new thing to compare. There's a reason why the results are better on one than the other. It's a niche thing but something many of us find interesting nonetheless. You claim to not care, that's fine. Good on you. You don't speak for everyone.
I said from Day One it is nothing worth championing, but it is at least a little bit noteworthy.
I can't help but be curious about what you would be saying if the results were flipped and PS5 was pushing more frames in photo mode.
How important the difference is, is debatable. In my eyes, the difference really doesn't matter, as again, we don't play in photo mode. But a difference exists, you can't just shout it away.
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The gameplay is really good imo, however, the story and character are so boring. And this is coming from someone who liked both the story and gameplay of quantum break
Anchovie123
Member
Actually he gave combat performance to Xbox and acknowledged Xbox Photo mode performance advantage but noted that Xbox had streaming issues witch effected performance as well as RT bugs not present on PS5.
JimboJones
Member
Because that's probably what a lot of people want, they don't really care about the analysis they just want to feel good and justify about their purchase. It's a bit sad really.
That said I think he has become a bit more neutral since the ign move which I welcome
Personally Id like to see him team up with a more PC centric person simply to cover more hardware configs and he could concentrate on the console side, maybe something for the future though, I can imagine the workload for 3 platforms at the moment is heavy.
Shmunter
Member
It’s in the video, he contrast the cpu load on pc where he can see what’s happening
Tickle My Tendies
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(replies came in as I was writing this, so
Knitted Knight
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I think what the test implies is that if the RT mode was uncapped, the XsX would have a performance advantage, though both would swing wildly and not be an enjoyably experience played that way. Just like I would be great if we could play the performance mode uncapped and see what the peak FPS on either console (would one plateau at 72, while the other at 80, for example) But, again, we will never know that, because RT is capped at 30, so all we can go by is the uncapped photo mode.
It's not a perfect metric by any means, but it means something.
The "in game gameplay benchmark" is practically identical between PS5 and XsX outside of the I/O stutters that the XsX version shares with the PC version. NX even says himself that outside of the stutters, the XsX has a very slight edge but they are both within 1% of each other at capped FR.
Anyway, I don't wanna go round and round over this. You seem like a "gotta have the a last word" kinda guy so go ahead and reply whatever you want. I'll move on. We just see this differently. That's cool.
Knitted Knight
)I think what the test implies is that if the RT mode was uncapped, the XsX would have a performance advantage, though both would swing wildly and not be an enjoyably experience played that way. Just like I would be great if we could play the performance mode uncapped and see what the peak FPS on either console (would one plateau at 72, while the other at 80, for example) But, again, we will never know that, because RT is capped at 30, so all we can go by is the uncapped photo mode.
It's not a perfect metric by any means, but it means something.
The "in game gameplay benchmark" is practically identical between PS5 and XsX outside of the I/O stutters that the XsX version shares with the PC version. NX even says himself that outside of the stutters, the XsX has a very slight edge but they are both within 1% of each other at capped FR.
Anyway, I don't wanna go round and round over this. You seem like a "gotta have the a last word" kinda guy so go ahead and reply whatever you want. I'll move on. We just see this differently. That's cool.
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BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Nah. Alex is fucking great. And DF overall is just a more professional analysis.
Also love NX gamer though.
It’s like everything has to be a tribilized war with gaming. Console wars. Video Game Analysis Channnel wars. Just appreciate what both of them provide.
such an odd affliction many of you have.
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TaiLopezFan
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New account. Needed approval so it took time to appear.Your brain on fanboism. Not even SonyGAF giving thumbs up reactions as usual
megreotsugua
Banned
He didn't say it was RT bugs. He attributed it to the API since both Xsex and PC have no double reflections.
LMAO
itsjustJEFF
Member
Yo, who gives a fuck about the comparison! Photomode King, slight stuttering, solid frames, double reflections blah blah blah... This is an
NXGamer
video on the IGN youtube? Very cool stuff! I hope you pick up a shit ton of followers off this analysis! Also, great break down the most in depth breakdown of this game so far! Whatever version you get, it's a great version!
NXGamer
video on the IGN youtube? Very cool stuff! I hope you pick up a shit ton of followers off this analysis! Also, great break down the most in depth breakdown of this game so far! Whatever version you get, it's a great version!
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Knitted Knight
Banned
NXG would be wise to stay off politics on both Gaf and Reeera.
You can shit on Reeera like Dictator does on the regular with his diva tantrums and not get a ban but touching politics outside the "consensus" bubble will get you piled and banned.
Kinda funny Dictator has so many simps on Gaf too... many of them knowing full well about his disdain for NeoGaf and how he shits on it from afar. Crazy, but so is the world.
You can shit on Reeera like Dictator does on the regular with his diva tantrums and not get a ban but touching politics outside the "consensus" bubble will get you piled and banned.
Kinda funny Dictator has so many simps on Gaf too... many of them knowing full well about his disdain for NeoGaf and how he shits on it from afar. Crazy, but so is the world.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
To be fair DF spent some time theorizing that the drops on series xs were likely caused by some CPU bottleneck.
Still, it's much better than DF... DF has gotten worse over the years.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I have spent some time wondering about this, maybe we are asking the wrong question, maybe it's something happening on the xbox SX side, it may be that when the CPU is not under stress the GPU can stretch its legs (memory contention with the slower pool used for the CPU forces everything down when there is a lot of action). The PS5 would have less of a hit in these situations because the memory is a true single pool.
Otherwise I don't think these consoles would be so close in pretty much every game under full system stress.
Tickle My Tendies
Member
Haven't people said that they hear their consoles (or at least Series X) kick into full speed fan when staying in photo mode? I think the mode is still stressing these consoles.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Not the CPU portion, not nearly as much as when the game runs the AI and physics... but sure, the game does stress the system, they do raytracing after all.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
PC is the only platform that has proper RT, PS5 is pretty close, those on the series x are broken, often missing altogether.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
LMAO
What is NXG trying to imply? Not able to comprehend. I guess I need some caffeine to figure this out
Tickle My Tendies
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Shmunter
Member
Nobody of sound mind and ability to think for themselves belongs with those hateful little zealots. They strictly follow their dogma and CNN outrage reporting is their church. I say we leave that part of the useless conversation for good, and discuss the video content.
megreotsugua
Banned
Yeah but in this case and in such example given in the video, only the PS5 has double reflections. Nxgamer theorizes that it's perhaps because of MS Api the DXR.
Shmunter
Member
The era poster claims the woman getting shot was deserved simply for entering the premises. NXgamer as any rational person refutes that by drawing comparison.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Glad that NXGamer at least tries to investigate and explain the differences, and not just dust them off as 'it's interesting', 'it seems like a bug'.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
And damn those RT differences?! To quote Richard: "This is a transformative result. Bespoke fascination in the here and now."
JimboJones
Member
Now now, let's not call people simps when you simp for a plastic box
bender
What time is it?
Going to have to hear NX Gamer pronounce Wolfenstein to test my "punch this dude in the face" urges before any decision can be made.
Balducci30
Member
“Both sides rhetoric” Jesus they’ve fully gone off haven’t they.LMAO
Tickle My Tendies
Member
This legit made me laugh out loud.
I like Alex, but yeah, the German thing is a little extra.
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I can pronounce this for you since I lived many years in Germany. Does this alone make me suitable for DF?
alabtrosMyster
Banned
OK, I see you noticed the PS5's RT bug, but for some reason you seem to imply that the series X is AOK as far as RT is concerned... it's not.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Oh I see, I was actually very surprised about the lack of circlejerking. Good to know my Sonybrethren are not losing their fervor.
Knitted Knight
Banned
True. Then again if you look at it that way everyone simps for something.... whether that be a sports team, a musician, a band, a writer, a painter, a politician, a businessman, a car brand, a shoe brand etc. In other words, not all simping is created equal. For example I have a lot of simps on Gaf, many keep tabs on my posts like hawks for any perceived misstep to drop a one liner - and it's not just normies with particular preferences, but mod(s) as well, after all, they're people too - not immune to feelings.Now now, let's not call people simps when you simp for a plastic box
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Dual reflection on PS5....my god the console is a beastAnother one for PS5. Damn that DX12 API appears to be a disadvantage.
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Bo_Hazem
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There is something that shows priority conflict as it seems on XSX, things disappearing or get gimped in this game and also seen on other games like Dirt 5. Maybe it's SFS.