Negotiator101
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DF: CONTROL PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S 60 Fps and RT mode
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3liteDragon
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ethomaz
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MaKTaiL
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We have no idea how well the PS5 would hold up at native 4k on Hitman 3 because they didn't include that option. We know PS5 has a headroom at the moment. For all we know it can perform the same if not better than the Xbox Series X.
AgentP
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Even I this was true (evidence?) the data would not be duplicated. They share the same assets, engine, video, audio, etc. Rendering differences like RT, res, frame rate, etc. don't manifest in the size of the file, they are configurations. Evidence, play a PC game over the last 20+ years.
Riky
$MSFT
Riky
I just realized another theory.
PS5 versions is not complete... you can't play it fully because it lacks half of the campaign... they need to fix asap to add these lost 17GB to make the game fully again.
We PlayStation fans deserves to have the full game and not just 25GB of it.
I'm pleased for you having a smaller file, I really am. If you've got a paltry small internal SSD with no way to expand it you need that sort of relief
ethomaz
Banned
They just talk a bit about it...
"There is an interesting aside to this though: engaging photo mode in-game removes the 30fps cap in RT mode, opening the door to a potential benchmark of sorts, something we'll take a closer look at in due course."
Seems like they will do a new video/article about that.
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The Hamburglar
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He’s not arguing about vrr now. Now it’s Xbox file size is only bigger because it has series s code in there. Not sure what his argument is other than being triggered.
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Md Ray
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yet.
waquzy
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Surely the VRR would make up the difference, you wouldn't even notice the missing 17GB
I just realized another theory.
PS5 versions is not complete... you can't play it fully because it lacks half of the campaign... they need to fix asap to add these lost 17GB to make the game fully again.
We PlayStation fans deserves to have the full game and not just 25GB of it.
N30RYU
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You know it's 60% less space required on PS5?? the SD on PS5 is doing twice the work to get almost the same exactly results as the series X one.
kyliethicc
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Very true.
Riky
$MSFT
Funny how now people think the Series S version is a just a one line code change when they've been "concerned" over the last few months on how it would be holding back next gen and would be loads of trouble for developers
I don't know how much the Series S version takes up in the file size apart from it isn't zero. Regardless I'm happy it just works on both machines from external storage card so I can move it around my three consoles.
Riky
$MSFT
Ask somebody else to confirm it if you want.
The Hamburglar
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Funny how now people think the Series S version is a just a one line code change when they've been "concerned" over the last few months on how it would be holding back next gen and would be loads of trouble for developers
I don't know how much the Series S version takes up in the file size apart from it isn't zero. Regardless I'm happy it just works on both machines from external storage card so I can move it around my three consoles.
Notice how the child troll keeps bringing up external storage to keep pointing out an Xbox advantage since all the other lists he’s thrown out there have failed. How long until you exhaust this one?
Congratulations Ricky you’ve steered the conversation away from poorer
Performance on Xbox to vrr to now how much better control is on Xbox simply because Xbox has expandable storage and you can move it around all your console.
What nonsense will you come
Up with next?
MasterCornholio
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So the framerate drops on the PS5 is also a bug?
Bogroll
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Xbox one X Forza is 98.7 GB.
I'm 90% sure I transferred on to my SX 2 weeks ago. I will chek later if i can be bothered to un box it.
Captain Toad
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danielJackson
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Nobody but you think it is that simple.Funny how now people think the Series S version is a just a one line code change when they've been "concerned" over the last few months on how it would be holding back next gen and would be loads of trouble for developers
I don't know how much the Series S version takes up in the file size apart from it isn't zero. Regardless I'm happy it just works on both machines from external storage card so I can move it around my three consoles.
If/when assets are the biggest part of the install = game code differences itself between xses & xsex are small.
Anybody with half the brain understanda it
waquzy
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And we are all happy for you, your three consoles, 4 tellys(all VRR), 2 wives, 3 girlfriends and a boyfriend.Funny how now people think the Series S version is a just a one line code change when they've been "concerned" over the last few months on how it would be holding back next gen and would be loads of trouble for developers
I don't know how much the Series S version takes up in the file size apart from it isn't zero. Regardless I'm happy it just works on both machines from external storage card so I can move it around my three consoles.
God bless all of you.
Negotiator101
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That's a pretty ridiculous opinion, it makes no sense, the developer would have done that. I mean not only is it lower resolution its also lower shadow quality, there is headroom there but certainly not that much.
FrankWza
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You mean state of the art SSD that’s so fast it can’t be purchased elsewhere so we have to wait for drives that are fast enough to be available at retail.I'm pleased for you having a smaller file, I really am. If you've got a paltry small internal SSD with no way to expand it you need that sort of relief
kyliethicc
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Give him enough time and he'll say Control is better on XSX than on PS5 because Crackdown 3 is on Gamepass. Or he'll say AA batteries are better than lithium-ion batteries.
Or something else equally retarded.
FrankWza
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Off the rack...yuck
Riky
$MSFT
FrankWza
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No the one that finishes 40 yard dashes at the same speed while carrying a piano on its backThe one that loads the game slower?
Md Ray
Member
Now be a good boy and reveal those PS5 dips were actually due to a dynamic res bug and can be easily fixed.
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Topher
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The one that loads the game slower?
Decompression + load vs just load. Really?
Epic Sax CEO
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You guys have to understand, not everyone is out there to elect a winner even if the difference is negligible.
Some like Tom are just happy if the performance is acceptable. If is not like it was in the previous gen the average player will barely notice, he express the feelings of those average gamers. Yes, the SeX's version is performing worse, but if Remedy manages to fix only those IO stutters than it's good enough.
John Wick
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Just your three consoles Riky? C'mon man I know you have ten of each. Gotta to do your bit to help the fangirl causeFunny how now people think the Series S version is a just a one line code change when they've been "concerned" over the last few months on how it would be holding back next gen and would be loads of trouble for developers
I don't know how much the Series S version takes up in the file size apart from it isn't zero. Regardless I'm happy it just works on both machines from external storage card so I can move it around my three consoles.
ethomaz
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You know in that image the PS5 version is running at native 4k, no? That is why the drop happens.
Series X is running at (I don't know) 1600p so the drop doesn't happen.
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Fredrik
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I know you like to joke around but come on, VRR isn’t magic. It’s essentially gsync.It always helps, which is why I'm playing the smoothest version of every next gen game, every time
And gsync can smooth out regular framerate fluctuations, it’ll make 50 to 60 to 80 fps fluctuations look smooth as butter. Perfect on PC where framerates are rarely ever locked.
But abrupt stops as seen here on XSX with the UI freeze, that’ll be felt no doubt.
That said, if by any chance Remedy would manage to fix the UI error then XSX would have the smoothest looking version, if you have a capable TV that is.
But we’re not there yet.
I’ve actually seen weird drops on Minecraft on XSX too which I never saw on XB1X, so maybe there is some I/O bottleneck situation some games can stumble into?
SenjutsuSage
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Game looks fantastic. That said, as easily one of my most anticipated games to play on Series X, I'm a little disappointed by what I see.
While I know I can get away with the issues that do crop up here and there and enjoy the game just fine, they simply shouldn't exist to such an extent and in the situations when they appear, and must be fixed. Those frame drops when simple text pops up on the screen, and those unsightly stutters must be rectified. Till that's sorted out, PS5 is the superior overall experience for this game.
*Sprints back to Hitman thread*
While I know I can get away with the issues that do crop up here and there and enjoy the game just fine, they simply shouldn't exist to such an extent and in the situations when they appear, and must be fixed. Those frame drops when simple text pops up on the screen, and those unsightly stutters must be rectified. Till that's sorted out, PS5 is the superior overall experience for this game.
*Sprints back to Hitman thread*
GaviotaGrande
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These threads where Xbox fans are fighting with PlayStation fans from a perspective of a PC player are like seeing two dudes arguing if Toyota Corolla is better or Honda Civic is better while you're driving in a custom Porsche.
Vroom, vroom suckers..
Vroom, vroom suckers..
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Kuranghi
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Sorry for being a spaz but when the fuck do they talk about the gamma issues on PS5? I also noticed the game has weird gamma in certain areas on PS5 last night and being in SDR or HDR didn't fix it.
Can someone link me to the part in the video where they talk about the gamma issues?
Also does this game actually have HDR? I don't think so since the blacks are slightly elevated in HDR with no extra detail seen and I can't find a single press release that says they added HDR to it. The depth of the image looked better in SDR for me and while HDR makes the bright parts more impactful it also just looks like SDR in an HDR container.
Turning my backlight/brightness in the SDR keeps the better black level of SDR but gives the bright parts more punch so I think I'll play it like that. I don't mind if HDR elevated black levels as long as you actually see more or the depth of the image is increased, but neither is happening for me.
I remember them saying they had "no plans to add HDR" for the old version so maybe they just aren't interested in it right now because it doesn't work well with their art workflow.
Can someone link me to the part in the video where they talk about the gamma issues?
Also does this game actually have HDR? I don't think so since the blacks are slightly elevated in HDR with no extra detail seen and I can't find a single press release that says they added HDR to it. The depth of the image looked better in SDR for me and while HDR makes the bright parts more impactful it also just looks like SDR in an HDR container.
Turning my backlight/brightness in the SDR keeps the better black level of SDR but gives the bright parts more punch so I think I'll play it like that. I don't mind if HDR elevated black levels as long as you actually see more or the depth of the image is increased, but neither is happening for me.
I remember them saying they had "no plans to add HDR" for the old version so maybe they just aren't interested in it right now because it doesn't work well with their art workflow.
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THE DUCK
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And yet somehow I bet 99% of S owners are happy. You are basically making a point to nobody who actually owns one.
There are zero series S owners running into the street screaming and swearing at ms that "control" is running at 900p instead of 1440p.
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Red-Town
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Now I'm actually curious to see how hard I can push the game now that I finally got my hands on a 30 Series GPU.These threads where Xbox fans are fighting with PlayStation fans from a perspective of a PC player are like seeing two dudes arguing if Toyota Corolla is better or Honda Civic is better while you're driving in a custom Porsche.
Vroom, vroom suckers..
John Wick
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How do you know they are happy? Have you asked all 21 of them?
Because MS touted this console as SX but at 1440p
Md Ray
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You should've tagged Alex or Tom or both in that tweet, not John. Since it's not his video, he won't bother replying to you.
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FrankWza
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Then these people are too ignorant to know they were flat out lied to. While running into the street screaming is a little extreme, they should be upset with their branding it next gen when it isn’t performing like a next gen machine. They’re at the same sporting event but they’re sitting in the nosebleeds.
Mister Wolf
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True but MS say is a 1440p 60fps and up to 120fps machine. Sure the S owners don't care about that but is ok for MS to lie? It's alright because S owner are not running into the street screaming and swearing at MS. Interesting...
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Superayate
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Series X and PS5 on their side are 4k/8K up to 120fps if we also read the PR statements...
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FrankWza
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And have every console and a capable pc.