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[Buggy Loop]

I have a feeling we’ll witness something even more pathetic from youtubers drama than motherfucking Tim Sweeney against Apple this year.
Let’s fire up YouTube click engines REeee!

 

[longdi]

spot on!

self entitled techtubers yucks! no different from sjw cancel culturing.

now HWU has not shown the full email trail, and i suspect nvidia has a review guideline when sending reviewers gpu for tests. HWU probably ignored all of it, nvidia tried to reason with them, but to no avail, so Jensung had to pull the plug of free gpus to HWU.

So now HWU is using the internet as their private army to lynch nvidia.

i expect nvidia will not want to continue this back and forth drama. so techtubers get the last words.

 

[Ironbunny]

so techtubers get the last words.

nah, "we, gamers, and the rest of the industry" get the last word.

 

[Bolivar687]

I'm tired of Nvidia fans.

 

[Manstructiclops]

Promised CP:77 RT video. In depth, positive and better than any other outlet i've seen so far.

'BUT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AMD SHILLS!'

Fuck off, grotesque cunts.

 

[londontko]

Linus spitting absolute hot fire. Nice to see Jay jump on board on twitter too. It is great to see the tech channels showing solidarity and calling out shady shit that crosses the line from Nvidia.

I honestly can't believe some of the takes in this thread. I mean having a brand preference is fine, but this goes beyond an AMD vs Nvidia thing or any of that shit. This is about Nvidia trying to pressure reviewers editorial content, focus and opinions to toe the company line or else. This also acts as a warning to other outlets to toe the Nvidia company line/narrative and push whatever narrative/feature they want or this will happen to you too.

Absolutely shameless, shady, slimy anti independent reviewer, anti competitive and anti consumer behaviour. The fact that we have so many corporate boot lickers in here cheering for this move and acting like 12 year old fanboys because it came from their favourite company is absolutely disgraceful and pretty embarrassing really. Luckily most of the people in this thread don't fall into that category and regardless of company preference or favourite GPU they are calling out this bullshit for that it is.

This really is proof that the cult of Nvidia has really grown under the surface, hidden from view for a while now. This is starting to approach Apple levels of zealotry and cult branding. It really goes to show how good Nvidia's marketing, branding and positioning has been for the better part of a decade that people can turn off all reason and cheerlead such a shitty move like this. The reason we are really starting to see it come out of the woodwork now in this thread and in recent other threads, both from Nvidia themselves and their rabid base is that they finally have some real competition for once.

I've seen some braindead takes in this thread trying to equate anyone who has a problem with this shady shit as being two faced AMD fanboys or Nvidia haters who would champion the move if it was AMD in the driving seat. Absolute nonsense. The reaction from 90% of the people rightfully calling bullshit on this move would be exactly the same if it was AMD, Intel, Apple or whoever. The reason being that this move is blatant bullshit no matter who is pulling it.

Another low IQ take I see is people thinking that the reviewers are in this so that they can get a free $600-800 GPU for personal use in their rig at home. How dumb do you have to be? You see this manifest with takes like:

"Waah they won't get free GPUs and will have to buy them like the rest of us! Good! Boo fucking hoo! Stop crying because you can't get a free card lolz"

All of these channels make far more than the cost of a single GPU from the views/patreon they receive for one video. Being angry because of Nvidia/AMD/Console supply issues and projecting that salt on to tech reviewers because you cannot get one is one of the dumbest trends I've seen as of late and shows a complete misunderstanding of how the tech press/reviews actually work and what their purpose is.

Simply put this is a terrible move by Nvidia and I'm glad that the tech press is uniting in solidarity to call out this bullshit and shine a light on it for what it really is. But the fact that we have so many fanboy takes worshiping at the altar of Nvidia and prostrating themselves to feel good about the company whose name is on their GPU all to have a perceived "win" in their mind is really embarrassing

I can't believe Nvidia is getting so much heat from the most benign email I've ever seen....

Hi Steve,

We've reached a critical juncture in the adoption of ray tracing and it has gained industry-wide support from top titles, developers, game engines, APIs, consoles and GPUs.

As you know Nvidia is all in for ray tracing. RT is important and core to the future of gaming, but it's also one part of our focused R&D efforts on revolutionizing video games and creating a better experience for gamers.

This philosophy is also reflected in developing technologies such as DLSS, reflex and broadcast that offer immense value to customers who are purchasing a GPU. They don't get free GPUs, they work hard for their money, and they keep their GPUs from multiple years.

Despite all this progress, your GPU reviews and recommendations have continued to focus singularly on rasterization performance and you have largely discounted all of the other technologies we offer gamers.

It is very clear from your community commentary that you do not see things the same way that we, gamers, and the rest of the industry do. Our founder's editions boards and other Nvidia products are being allocated to media outlets that recognize the changing landscape of gaming and the features that are important to gamers and anyone buying a GPU today. Be it for gaming, content creation, or studio and streaming.

Hardware Unboxed should continue to work with our add-in card partners to secure GPUs to review. Of course you will still have access to obtain pre-release drivers and press materials, that won't change. We are open to revisiting this in the future should your editorial direction change.

Bryan Del Rizzo

Director of Global PR, GeForce

Can someone honestly look at this and explain why it's so bad, because to me it looks perfectly reasonable?

1) HU is losing access to free FE cards... He still has full access to AIB cards, that has been clearly stated several times.

2) What exactly is so shady? Nvidia doesn't agree with the way he's reviewing their cards (and they've been reviewing them noticeably different than everyone else) so they aren't sending him any more - why is that so controversial?

3)'Absolutely shameless, shady, slimy anti independent reviewer, anti competitive and anti consumer...' LOL. Did you have any self awareness writing this?

Nvidia didn't say shit when everyone made a video about how the 2000 series was a total disappointment, they didn't make a big fuss when everyone made a video about the value proposition of the 3090 being terrible. They simply have an issue with this one reviewer and a lot of people have to agree with them. That doesn't make the company 'Absolutely shameless, shady, slimy anti independent reviewer, anti competitive and anti consumer...'

You guys are absolutely hysterical about some youtuber not getting priority access to free cards directly from Nvidia and are buying into this weird David vs Goliath narrative that just isn't true. HE IS STILL GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO AIB CARDS if they feel like sending them, give your fucking heads a shake and stop hyperventilating, there's a lot more scummy shit going on out there then Nvidia not giving some entitled bitch youtuber his precious merch.

 

[londontko]

I still can't believe Linus likened a youtuber not get a free videocard to an ASSAULT ON JOURNALISTIC FREE SPEECH LMAO and a bunch of people here cheered him on as he 'spit hot fire'.... fucking pathetic.

 

[Senua]

I still can't believe Linus likened a youtuber not get a free videocard to an ASSAULT ON JOURNALISTIC FREE SPEECH LMAO and a bunch of people here cheered him on as he 'spit hot fire'.... fucking pathetic.

 

[longdi]

I can't believe Nvidia is getting so much heat from the most benign email I've ever seen....

Hi Steve,

We've reached a critical juncture in the adoption of ray tracing and it has gained industry-wide support from top titles, developers, game engines, APIs, consoles and GPUs.

As you know Nvidia is all in for ray tracing. RT is important and core to the future of gaming, but it's also one part of our focused R&D efforts on revolutionizing video games and creating a better experience for gamers.

This philosophy is also reflected in developing technologies such as DLSS, reflex and broadcast that offer immense value to customers who are purchasing a GPU. They don't get free GPUs, they work hard for their money, and they keep their GPUs from multiple years.

Despite all this progress, your GPU reviews and recommendations have continued to focus singularly on rasterization performance and you have largely discounted all of the other technologies we offer gamers.

It is very clear from your community commentary that you do not see things the same way that we, gamers, and the rest of the industry do. Our founder's editions boards and other Nvidia products are being allocated to media outlets that recognize the changing landscape of gaming and the features that are important to gamers and anyone buying a GPU today. Be it for gaming, content creation, or studio and streaming.

Hardware Unboxed should continue to work with our add-in card partners to secure GPUs to review. Of course you will still have access to obtain pre-release drivers and press materials, that won't change. We are open to revisiting this in the future should your editorial direction change.

Bryan Del Rizzo

Director of Global PR, GeForce

Can someone honestly look at this and explain why it's so bad, because to me it looks perfectly reasonable?

1) HU is losing access to free FE cards... He still has full access to AIB cards, that has been clearly stated several times.

2) What exactly is so shady? Nvidia doesn't agree with the way he's reviewing their cards (and they've been reviewing them noticeably different than everyone else) so they aren't sending him any more - why is that so controversial?

3)'Absolutely shameless, shady, slimy anti independent reviewer, anti competitive and anti consumer...' LOL. Did you have any self awareness writing this?

Nvidia didn't say shit when everyone made a video about how the 2000 series was a total disappointment, they didn't make a big fuss when everyone made a video about the value proposition of the 3090 being terrible. They simply have an issue with this one reviewer and a lot of people have to agree with them. That doesn't make the company 'Absolutely shameless, shady, slimy anti independent reviewer, anti competitive and anti consumer...'

You guys are absolutely hysterical about some youtuber not getting priority access to free cards directly from Nvidia and are buying into this weird David vs Goliath narrative that just isn't true. HE IS STILL GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO AIB CARDS if they feel like sending them, give your fucking heads a shake and stop hyperventilating, there's a lot more scummy shit going on out there then Nvidia not giving some entitled bitch youtuber his precious merch.

We dont even know the series of email before this.

Im sure Nvidia pr dont suddenly send an email to HU after seeing the videos?
Feels like nvidia tried to play nice and suggest HU to look into RT and DLSS, but HU asked them to FU.

 

[KingT731]

If AMD raytracing was as good as Nvidia, I wonder if the same fanboys would defend this? Let's say AMD did have better raytracing, (aka roles reversed), and HU downplayed it, would they act as if HU did unjust with the reviews? Would it be "messed up" if AMD didn't send him early free gifts because they didn't show AMD superior raytracing, after they pioneered the technology and made it mainstream to consumers? It's interesting to play devil's advocate and reverse the roles, just to see if the same song would be sung.

I think the real question would be: "If the games were made with specifically AMD's RT solution in mind and performed better would they react the same?" because for a lot of the RT games we have now they're all built pretty much only for Nvidia's solution.

 

[Cobaiye]

I sincerely hope the consensus in this thread repensents a minority within the larger tech-enthusiast community.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I think the real question would be: "If the games were made with specifically AMD's RT solution in mind and performed better would they react the same?" because for a lot of the RT games we have now they're all built pretty much only for Nvidia's solution.

They wouldn't act the same, which is what several have been getting at. I really used to love HU on his older videos, but lately he been shilling hella hard for AMD, which many of his commenters on YouTube and Twitter have called him out for. Reviews should be objective, not subjective. This thread would not exist, or go on this long if many doesn't feel this way.

 

[londontko]

I sincerely hope the consensus in this thread repensents a minority within the larger tech-enthusiast community.

It does don't worry, if you want to feel safe in your bubble go to any thread on twitter, reddit or resetera and wrap yourself tight in your security blanket.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

3)'Absolutely shameless, shady, slimy anti independent reviewer, anti competitive and anti consumer...' LOL. Did you have any self awareness writing this?

You realize that despite getting the review sample from source all of these tech tubers are not being paid to promote Nvidia/AMD/Intel or whoever, right?. If they were then the video would be a paid promotional video where Nvidia could dictate exactly what is discussed, the exact lines and footage shown and any conclusions. These would simply be paid promotional videos or advertisements.

When Nvidia sends a card to a reviewer, the reviewer then independently reviews the card in whatever way they wish regardless of what Nvidia says. Nvidia doesn't get to control the message, content or final conclusion of the review. That's what makes it independent. They are not being paid for these reviews and Nvidia does not own a stake in these companies.

The benefit for Nvidia or any of these tech companies is that these reviews spread brand awareness and act as a form of essentially free marketing for their products. The risk factor is if they release a bad product then it will get slammed or discussed in a critical manner, flaws and all. In addition the risk is that Nvidia doesn't get to control the message, content or conclusion of these reviews. They send it out and once it is in the wild they have pretty much no say in the content created as a result of this.

This is how it has always worked and always been the accepted risk. Nvidia is now trying to change that and use its market dominance to strong arm reviewers into toeing the company line or else. It is unquestionably shitty behaviour and the corporate brown nosing and hand waving going on here from the Nvidia faithful is pretty embarrassing and laughable.

Nvidia didn't say shit when everyone made a video about how the 2000 series was a total disappointment, they didn't make a big fuss when everyone made a video about the value proposition of the 3090 being terrible.

That is because they didn't have any strong competition to worry about back during the 2000 series. Now that they do it is plain to see that they don't like it and are pulling shitty, slimy moves to try to maintain that market dominance. It is unquestionably shitty behaviour and they are rightly almost universally being lambasted for it and put on blast by prominent tech tubers.

It is just a pity we see so many childish delusional temper tantrums in this thread in defense of a multi billion dollar corporation who was caught acting shady just because you like their products. A lot of you need to really grow up.

 

[TriSuit666]

Some of youse rubbernecking fuckwits in this thread need to have a word wit y’all selfs.

Listen as someone who’s worked in an industry for 20+ years where ‘free shit’ is part and parcel of how business is done, that this kind of attitude from vendors is NOTHING new.

Especially if even 10% of the alleged shenanigans nvidia is pulling this generation is true, they deserve to be investigated for not only causing shortages but also driving up prices and shafting partners at the same time.

And this is me being fucking salty after waiting 2 months for an nvidia card that only arrived after I had to threaten the supplier on Twitter, and then to add insult to injury they asked me to ’keep it quiet‘ that I had jumped the queue to get the card.

Fuck em all.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I think the real question would be: "If the games were made with specifically AMD's RT solution in mind and performed better would they react the same?" because for a lot of the RT games we have now they're all built pretty much only for Nvidia's solution.

What we know is that a lot of RT games have been built following DXR calls which have been documented and actively developed in collaboration with Microsoft, Nvidia and AMD for years and years, that's right, an hardware agnostic API. Shocking stuffs.

How your hardware interprets the DXR call and handles it in hardware, that's manufacturer's responsibility of the hardware implementation and driver support.

The DXR documentation are there for everyone to see and you can go and make an agnostic benchmark like we've seen on Github, actually many already exists for academic purposes, that are not "tainted" by Nvidia. Even 3Dmark's new ray tracing benchmark, which welcomed AMD as competition to Nvidia's RT monopoly, should be neutral enough don't you think? Or is Nvidia the deepstate and influenced all known ray tracing mathematics, which have been known for decades, to fuck with poor AMD?

 

[londontko]

Some of youse rubbernecking fuckwits in this thread need to have a word wit y’all selfs.

Listen as someone who’s worked in an industry for 20+ years where ‘free shit’ is part and parcel of how business is done, that this kind of attitude from vendors is NOTHING new.

Especially if even 10% of the alleged shenanigans nvidia is pulling this generation is true, they deserve to be investigated for not only causing shortages but also driving up prices and shafting partners at the same time.

And this is me being fucking salty after waiting 2 months for an nvidia card that only arrived after I had to threaten the supplier on Twitter, and then to add insult to injury they asked me to ’keep it quiet‘ that I had jumped the queue to get the card.

Fuck em all.

That's a separate, legitimate issue.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Promised CP:77 RT video. In depth, positive and better than any other outlet i've seen so far.

'BUT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AMD SHILLS!'

Fuck off, grotesque cunts.

*after getting a speeding ticket*

Look officer! I'm a good driver respecting the speed limit now! Please, any empathy, anyone? Cancel the ticket? I'll tell and group with my uncle and daddy if you don't cancel the ticket!

Anyway... "an attack on HWUB is an attack against independent reviews... i really hope you get free products again"

 

[Bolivar687]

This is adding a whole new connotation to "taking the Red™ pill."

 

[_Justinian_]

I know I have said this before in some thread somewhere but I'll say it again: corporations are not your friends. They never have been and they never will be. Nvidia isn't obligated to give anything to anyone for any reason. If HU doesn't like it, then they can simply buy the cards themselves and then review them.

 

[TriSuit666]

That's a separate, legitimate issue.

The issue is my employer is big enough to tell companies like this to do one in such situations, but a one Man band outlet like HU are going to be subject to their whims.

HU is taking the only course of action available to them and making things public.

 

[TriSuit666]

I know I have said this before in some thread somewhere but I'll say it again: corporations are not your friends. They never have been and they never will be. Nvidia isn't obligated to give anything to anyone for any reason. If HU doesn't like it, then they can simply buy the cards themselves and then review them.

Yeah. By Steve’s admission they’ve done that in the past.

Has everyone forgotten the Asus review debacle of a few months ago?

 

[K.S v2.0]

Does nVidia have a right to free marketing from their reviewers that get free cards?

If your answer is no;
nVidia wanting an editorial direction change in order for Hardware Unboxed to receive these cards again in the future, does not strike you at all as nVidia extorting free marketing from their reviewers....?

If your answer is yes;
If only the ones that give positive reviews are allowed to get the products on time, you're never going to get honest reviews, and that defeats the whole purpose of reviews in the first place.


Try again.

I really think you don't get it, at all.

Firstly, its not 'free marketing'. Its a PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP wherein the reviewer agrees to review the product, while complying with Nvidia's criteria... as grounds for receiving free hardware to do so. There is no free involved here whatsoever. Nvidia are soliciting reviews from those who agree to review under specific conditions. If the reviewers do not like these conditions they are perfectly free to not accept the deal.

You don't get to cry and be an entitled little bitch that a for-profit organization refuses to give you something for free, with no strings attached. Maybe that's how it works in Clown World™ but not in the real world.

It really is THAT simple.

If that puts the reviewer at a disadvantage, well guess what? TOO FUCKING BAD, SO SAD, CRY MORE!

If they don't like being put at a disadvantage, they are free to pursue a business relationship with Nvidia, and obtain the hardware in advance... all it takes is to... *gaspshockhorror* agree to specific conditions because guess what, business relationships work on a really basic principle called give and take! WOW, SUCH CONCEPT!

I'm no corporate apologist, but even I understand how basic business works in the real world. There is no free in this equation here, at all, which is exactly what HardwareUnboxed's problem is. They feel they are entitled to, and demand, free hardware with no strings attached without having to guarantee the giver some form of tangible return. Sorry, kinda doesn't work that way in the real world.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

Imagine receiving state of the art hardware and software that took hundreds of million dollars of R&D to develop and now provides technology that’s never been available to regular, everyday people... and then don’t review it in a professional manner.

BuT jOuRnAlIsTiC iNtEgRiTy AnD ThEy DeSeRvE iT fOr BeInG a GrEeDy CoMpANy

 

[Manstructiclops]

*after getting a speeding ticket*

Look officer! I'm a good driver respecting the speed limit now! Please, any empathy, anyone? Cancel the ticket? I'll tell and group with my uncle and daddy if you don't cancel the ticket!

Anyway... "an attack on HWUB is an attack against independent reviews... i really hope you get free products again"

It's not a free card, it's given away to advertise to you, me and in the case of HW:UB 600k other people.

Nvidia, AMD, and all the other vendors started giving shit out to 'influencers' because in the early days, amateur one man bands making videos were easier to strong arm into submission than a journo working for a magazine with a publisher like Future (in the UK) behind them. Now they're bigger than the magazines ever were. They helped to create this monster

KYS faggot

You first, nonce.

 

[londontko]

I really think you don't get it, at all.

Firstly, its not 'free marketing'. Its a PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP wherein the reviewer agrees to review the product, while complying with Nvidia's criteria... as grounds for receiving free hardware to do so. There is no free involved here whatsoever. Nvidia are soliciting reviews from those who agree to review under specific conditions. If the reviewers do not like these conditions they are perfectly free to not accept the deal.

You don't get to cry and be an entitled little bitch that a for-profit organization refuses to give you something for free, with no strings attached. Maybe that's how it works in Clown World™ but not in the real world.

It really is THAT simple.

If that puts the reviewer at a disadvantage, well guess what? TOO FUCKING BAD, SO SAD, CRY MORE!

If they don't like being put at a disadvantage, they are free to pursue a business relationship with Nvidia, and obtain the hardware in advance... all it takes is to... *gaspshockhorror* agree to specific conditions because guess what, business relationships work on a really basic principle called give and take! WOW, SUCH CONCEPT!

I'm no corporate apologist, but even I understand how basic business works in the real world. There is no free in this equation here, at all, which is exactly what HardwareUnboxed's problem is. They feel they are entitled to, and demand, free hardware with no strings attached without having to guarantee the giver some form of tangible return. Sorry, kinda doesn't work that way in the real world.

Does anything else really have to be said? This guy just hit the nail on the head

 

[TriSuit666]

Does nVidia have a right to free marketing from their reviewers that get free cards?

If your answer is no;
nVidia wanting an editorial direction change in order for Hardware Unboxed to receive these cards again in the future, does not strike you at all as nVidia extorting free marketing from their reviewers....?

If your answer is yes;
If only the ones that give positive reviews are allowed to get the products on time, you're never going to get honest reviews, and that defeats the whole purpose of reviews in the first place.


Try again.

Let’s get away from the ‘it’s freeeeeeee cards’ bullshit. These samples will be covered against the marketing budget, and are placed items, and most likely remain the property of nvidia or the AIB concerned.

The real question is how does HU get targeted like this, whereas other smaller youtubers like eteknix get to constantly shit on AIB cards in livestreams using subjective language like ‘x card slaughtered x card’ and still they get partner samples.

 

[londontko]

It's not a free card, it's given away to advertise to you, me and in the case of HW:UB 600k other people.

Nvidia, AMD, and all the other vendors started giving shit out to 'influencers' because in the early days, amateur one man bands making videos were easier to strong arm into submission than a journo working for a magazine with a publisher like Future (in the UK) behind them. Now they're bigger than the magazines ever were. They helped to create this monster




You first, nonce.

Good point actually, why do they need free stuff if they are so large? Just buy it and review it how you see fit.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

When 23% of the audience don’t matter

Who cares about the 23%, I wanna hurt Nvidia

 

[BattleScar]

We dont even know the series of email before this.

Im sure Nvidia pr dont suddenly send an email to HU after seeing the videos?
Feels like nvidia tried to play nice and suggest HU to look into RT and DLSS, but HU asked them to FU.

This is pure conjecture.

Nvidia can send a reviewers guide, but they don't get to dictate how reviews are conducted. If they do control everything you say, its called marketing.
See the difference?

When 23% of the audience don’t matter

Who cares about the 23%, I wanna hurt Nvidia

That's hilariously disingenuous.
Hurt Nvidia? Have you watched their reviews of the RTX 3000 series? Its glowing praise.

Fucking hell.

Good point actually, why do they need free stuff if they are so large? Just buy it and review it how you see fit.

Because Nvidia wants reviews of their product to be out ahead of launch as a way of generating media buzz and hype.
Why is anything reviewed ahead of its launch by the press? People generally want to know the quality of a product before they go ahead buy it.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

This is pure conjecture.

Nvidia can send a reviewers guide, but they don't get to dictate how reviews are conducted. If they do control everything you say, its called marketing.
See the difference?

In order for there to be a negative review, first there has to be a review (a proper one, don’t give me that pitiful 30 seconds of a 20 min “review”)

 

[Jon Neu]

I'm tired of Nvidia fans.

Spoke like a true Nvidia hater.

 

[BattleScar]

In order for there to be a negative review, first there has to be a review (a proper one, don’t give me that pitiful 30 seconds of a 20 min “review”)

You could therefore watch the 22 minute deep dive into RTX and DLSS for the RTX 3080 they released as a separate video.

Spoke like a true Nvidia hater.

What's it to you?

 

[Chiggs]

Some of youse rubbernecking fuckwits in this thread need to have a word wit y’all selfs.

Listen as someone who’s worked in an industry for 20+ years where ‘free shit’ is part and parcel of how business is done, that this kind of attitude from vendors is NOTHING new.

Especially if even 10% of the alleged shenanigans nvidia is pulling this generation is true, they deserve to be investigated for not only causing shortages but also driving up prices and shafting partners at the same time.

And this is me being fucking salty after waiting 2 months for an nvidia card that only arrived after I had to threaten the supplier on Twitter, and then to add insult to injury they asked me to ’keep it quiet‘ that I had jumped the queue to get the card.

Fuck em all.

No argument from me on that front. As someone else pointed out, totally valid concern, and one that many of us have discussed in the RTX 30 series thread.

But it's also a separate issue.

 

[Jon Neu]

Promised CP:77 RT video. In depth, positive and better than any other outlet i've seen so far.

'BUT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AMD SHILLS!'

Fuck off, grotesque cunts.

I knew they were going to do a video praising Nvidia just for the sake of appearing objective and that low IQ Nvidia haters were going to say "See, they're prasing Nvidia, they aren't AMD fanboys at all!".

I can see the future.

 

[BattleScar]

I knew they were going to do a video praising Nvidia just for the sake of appearing objective and that low IQ Nvidia haters were going to say "See, they're prasing Nvidia, they aren't AMD fanboys at all!".

I can see the future.

This is the epitome of projection.
Why are you taking this so personally? Are you financially connected to Nvidia in some way?

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

I knew they were going to do a video praising Nvidia just for the sake of appearing objective and that low IQ Nvidia haters were going to say "See, they're prasing Nvidia, they aren't AMD fanboys at all!".

I can see the future.

Its not a video praising or trashing Nvidia. Its not about Nvidia at all.

It is a video about ray tracing performance in the biggest game release in years and the current hot topic in gaming: CyberPunk 2077

At the moment CyberPunk 2077 doesn't support ray tracing on AMD cards or consoles so the only way to actually review the RT functionality is to use Nvidia GPUs. This is not an "apology" video, nor is it HUB bending the knee to Nvidia's mandate.

 

[Jon Neu]

Why are you taking this so personally?

Imagine you talking about the epitome of projection after saying this.

You have 23 posts in this thread alone. Stop embarassing yourself.

 

[BattleScar]

Imagine you talking about the epitome of projection after saying this.

You have 23 posts in this thread alone. Stop embarassing yourself.

Yeah, you're quite right, I do have a fair few posts in this thread.
But I'm not really embarassed about anything, in the same way I assume you are not embarassed by your dozen or so posts in this thread.

People criticise Nvidia and you're immediately jumping on them as though Nvidia can do no wrong and they must be AMD shills/fanboys/whatever who exist just to harm poor little old Nvidia's reputation.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

Paul jumping into the fray:

 

[Jon Neu]

People criticise Nvidia and you're immediately jumping on them as though Nvidia can do no wrong and they must be AMD shills/fanboys/whatever who exist just to harm poor little old Nvidia's reputation.

"People" aren't criticizing Nvidia, they're just jumping unto the hate bandwagon and claiming Nvidia is evil, anti free speech and other similar ridiculous hyperbolic rhetoric (that obviously comes from a place of personal hate) simply because they are no longer providing free cards for some youtubers that purposely manipulate reviews and now are playing the victim for clickbait reasons.

Like other gaffer said, this is like a reviewer getting an hybrid car and not reviewing the electric part of the car and then complaining when the car company stops giving him free samples. Well, if you aren't capable of doing your job, it's not the company's fault. But it's better to go and claim the company is anti free speech and that they want to "control the narrative" simply because they want you to review the actual features of the product.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Good point actually, why do they need free stuff if they are so large?

Because you can't buy a GPU before it's released, and the vendors want reviews out day 1. HU can buy FE cards, as can anyone else, but anyone who does will have reviews that will come out after the release date.

 

[Chiggs]

"People" aren't criticizing Nvidia, they're just jumping unto the hate bandwagon and claiming Nvidia is evil, anti free speech and other similar ridiculous hyperbolic rhetoric (that obviously comes from a place of personal hate) simply because they are no longer providing free cards for some youtubers that purposely manipulate reviews and now are playing the victim for clickbait reasons.

Like other gaffer said, this is like a reviewer getting an hybrid car and not reviewing the electric part of the car and then complaining when the car company stops giving him free samples. Well, if you aren't capable of doing your job, it's not the company's fault. But it's better to go and claim the company is anti free speech and that they want to "control the narrative" simply because they want you to review the actual features of the product.

Linus also literally compared Nvidia to the Mafia and Nazis on his WAN show last night. So there's that. Completely reasonable!

Again, this whole incident is due to Nvidia's marketing department sending an email to a YouTuber, telling them they're no longer sending them free review boards because they disagree with their review methods as they pertain to RTX. Nvidia gets a little extra shitty by saying "we can resume business, provided you give RTX some TLC."

Not the greatest look, but you'd think Nvidia was running concentration camps, burning Bibles and stomping puppies to death, given the hyperbole on the internet.

Fun facts, YouTubers:

• Nobody owes you anything
• If your channel goes under because you've stopped receiving free review cards from Nvidia, your business model was terrible
• You'll get more credibility by trying to secure boards on Day One, just like everyone else...and nobody can accuse you of playing favorites since you're not sucking on Nvidia's tit anymore
• This isn't a humanitarian tragedy, and if Nvidia wants less people having Day 1 reviews ready to go at launch, well...there will undoubtedly be repercussions for them, especially with a newly-resilient AMD on the prowl

 

[Nester99]

I just can’t bring myself to respect any you tube reviewer. The profession just seems laughable to me. I find it annoying they get free anything ahead of time at all. makes the entire thing biased.

No more free stuff to any “influencer”

 

[Chiggs]

I just can’t bring myself to respect any you tube reviewer. The profession just seems laughable to me. I find it annoying they get free anything ahead of time at all. makes the entire thing biased.

No more free stuff to any “influencer”

It's the unfortunate development of America moving from an empire of production to an empire of consumption.

That and whiny little fucks who have 200k in college debt, no life skills, no life experience, but a huge list of grievances and a giant chip on their shoulders.

 

[_Justinian_]

I just can’t bring myself to respect any you tube reviewer. The profession just seems laughable to me. I find it annoying they get free anything ahead of time at all. makes the entire thing biased.

No more free stuff to any “influencer”

I like the comparison videos. No talking at all. Just a video of two gpus or two cpus running the same application and being compared against each other. Those are actually useful.

 

[Bolivar687]

"People" aren't criticizing Nvidia, they're just jumping unto the hate bandwagon and claiming Nvidia is evil, anti free speech and other similar ridiculous hyperbolic rhetoric (that obviously comes from a place of personal hate) simply because they are no longer providing free cards for some youtubers that purposely manipulate reviews and now are playing the victim for clickbait reasons.

Like other gaffer said, this is like a reviewer getting an hybrid car and not reviewing the electric part of the car and then complaining when the car company stops giving him free samples. Well, if you aren't capable of doing your job, it's not the company's fault. But it's better to go and claim the company is anti free speech and that they want to "control the narrative" simply because they want you to review the actual features of the product.

They review ray tracing in every single new card. They had an entire video dedicated to Ampere RT improvements. They even said in their Cyberpunk video that came out before all this started that they were going to have a separate review entirely dedicated to its RT performance on Nvidia cards. But they've made comments that have been echoed by a lot of other reviewers, and Nvidia decided that went too far. The hybrid car analogy doesn't work.

The email says point blank that they want to change HU's editorial direction. Not the hundreds of Ray Tracing benchmarks they've already run across various cards and settings. Not the videos they entirely dedicate to Ray Tracing. But the completely reasonable and evidence-backed comments they say about the feature. That obviously weighs against reviewer's independence, and I don't see any reasonable way you can pretend it doesn't.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

They review ray tracing in every single new card.

Sure they do

In the 6800 XT review Hardware Unboxed Steve says: “I haven’t invested too much time in testing ray-tracing performance and perhaps this is something we’ll explore more in future content.”

Good “review”

 

[Chiggs]

Sure they do

I mean, even Linus in his unhinged defense of Hardware Unboxing admitted that he would have spent more time covering the RTX features.

 

[Bolivar687]

Sure they do

But they did test it.. Surely you must recognize that's not the same thing as ignoring it.