Entroyp
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Well if Dirt 5, CoD, Borderlands etc etc use the same engine then yes.
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VG tech : Immortals Fenix Rising PS5 vs XSX
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Well if Dirt 5, CoD, Borderlands etc etc use the same engine then yes.
THEAP99
Banned
To be fair, digital foundry crowned xbox the winner for borderlands 3 (without mentioning dualsense)
Krisprolls
Banned
Yes, please wait for next year with the tools and RDNA 2 next E3. They're the guys who made Direct X you know.
nowhat
Member
Ah, wait for the next E3. They're the guys that created that meme too you know.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Are you comparing x86 to Cell, dude, there is nothing exotic about the Series X, Microsoft itself says it's a RDNA2 graphics with Zen 2 cores. PS5 is more exotic than the Series X, with its custom SSD and Geometry Engine. PS5 has as much as potential to improve as the Series X, I think we as customers don't need to make excuses for these companies, Microsoft fell victim to their own marketing and engineering. But the real problem Xbox is facing has nothing to do with performance, it is the lack of exclusive games that can take advantage of the Xbox hardware. Maybe one of Microsoft Studios can show everyone else how to extract better performance from the XSX.
Entroyp
Member
Yea but it’s digital foundry thought, MS pays the bills.
Mister Wolf
Member
And the Series X performed better with the RE Engine and Call Of Duty's in house engine when Gpu constrained.
Unknown?
Member
They're having problems not pushing the system but when titles start pushing them you expect even bigger drops?
Entroyp
Member
Krisprolls
Banned
The maths perfectly add up, it's just people don't understand how those consoles work. It's a lot more than teraflops and GPU. PS5 just has a more efficient design with higher clock and more custom hardware, including probably a level 3 unified cache according to patents. It's no wonder it beats a machine which was designed more like a generic PC. That's why you make custom hardware actually, to beat the non custom models, otherwise you wouldn't bother, you'd throw off the shelves parts.
PS5 is the most powerful console and it's very likely it'll stay that way.
Here, both versions of the game look fine though, and it's pretty close. I wouldn't say the same about Valhalla for example.
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GenericUser
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Imagine having an infinite amount of money and STILL being unable to beat a relatively small japanese company. Microsoft, all you had to do was to throw money at the problem and you still didn't make it. What is that? The craig company or what? It is almost laughable.
Mister Wolf
Member
I think Microsoft needs to push forward with its machine learning upscaling and make it a reality like DLSS.
THEAP99
Banned
No. They confirmed that was a bug that would disappear at if checkpoint reloaded
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I am not. You should read that conversation again.
Md Ray
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COD didn't perform better on Series X.
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THEAP99
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The fact it's this close is an L for xbox considering xbox boasted about power this past year. It should be both: higher fidelity and better frames on xbox. Not one or the other. L. Anything close is an L for xbox, especially ties.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
was thinking of picking this up. now seeing it performs really nice on my PS5, i might have to.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It performed better in DMC:5 in 60 FPS mode. PS5 performed better in 120 FPS mode.
COD 60 FPS was the same on XSX and PS5. 120 FPS was better on PS5. (I'm not even counting XSX's lower RT shadows and lower tessellation in COD).
Agnostic2020
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Not only that but series x has a bug where game drops to 30 fps and stays there for 5 minutes as per nx gamer and has lower quality raytracing shadows
Cod CW is for sure better on ps5
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Mister Wolf
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Does 120hz mode run at native 4K on DMC5? Does it use the same quality settings? If the answer is no then my original statement stands.
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GenericUser
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And I was fully expecting the xbox x being significantly better then the PS5, even though I am and will stay a playstation gamer. It's crazy, how could they fuck it up so bad? Guess youtube videos will show us in 5 - 6 years. Right now, I really don't have a clue. The xbox seems to be far better on paper.
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Tqaulity
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LOL to think there were people on this forum months ago suggesting that the PS5 should not even be in the same price range as the Xbox Series X because it wasn't close enough in power to justify the cost 
Look Xbox Series X is definitely a powerful system and the performance will improve over time no question. The biggest problem here is Microsoft's Marketing! They consistently choose to play the "POWER" narrative going back to the Xbox One X. It's "True 4k" this and "World's Most Powerful Console" every time they open their mouth. They did the same thing with the Series X leading up to launch. Power Power Power.
Then it comes out and even in isolation, the power is not very evident....since there are virtually no "next gen" games (i.e. games developed with Series X specs as a target) available at launch. Just cross gen and PC ports. Not a single 1st party game featuring ray-tracing (for example) and not a single 1st party game truly taking advantage of the velocity architecture yet.
Then you get to the comparison with PS5 and they are close as everyone (with sense) has been saying they would be for the past year. But in the vast majority of the cases so far, PS5 has the edge in both resolution and performance. People like myself (that actually know game development) have been screaming from the rooftops that you cannot just look at a system's specs and draw conclusions on real world performance! There is so much more involved in how a system actually runs a game and so many places for potential bottlenecks that will prevent the system from reaching it's max (theoretical) potential. Folks just didn't want to listen.
But if Microsoft themselves hadn't been screaming about "TFLOPS" and "Power" every second and just let the specs and games speak for themselves, I don't think the perception would be nearly as bad in terms of Xbox Series X as a "failure" or a "letdown" in any way. I said this before as well but you would think Microsoft would have learned by now that power does not equal success in gaming. They started touting power with the OG Xbox which was the most powerful and they still had less than 25% of the sales of the PS2.
Everyone needs to stop worrying so much about "power"....starting with Microsoft
Look Xbox Series X is definitely a powerful system and the performance will improve over time no question. The biggest problem here is Microsoft's Marketing! They consistently choose to play the "POWER" narrative going back to the Xbox One X. It's "True 4k" this and "World's Most Powerful Console" every time they open their mouth. They did the same thing with the Series X leading up to launch. Power Power Power.
Then it comes out and even in isolation, the power is not very evident....since there are virtually no "next gen" games (i.e. games developed with Series X specs as a target) available at launch. Just cross gen and PC ports. Not a single 1st party game featuring ray-tracing (for example) and not a single 1st party game truly taking advantage of the velocity architecture yet.
Then you get to the comparison with PS5 and they are close as everyone (with sense) has been saying they would be for the past year. But in the vast majority of the cases so far, PS5 has the edge in both resolution and performance. People like myself (that actually know game development) have been screaming from the rooftops that you cannot just look at a system's specs and draw conclusions on real world performance! There is so much more involved in how a system actually runs a game and so many places for potential bottlenecks that will prevent the system from reaching it's max (theoretical) potential. Folks just didn't want to listen.
But if Microsoft themselves hadn't been screaming about "TFLOPS" and "Power" every second and just let the specs and games speak for themselves, I don't think the perception would be nearly as bad in terms of Xbox Series X as a "failure" or a "letdown" in any way. I said this before as well but you would think Microsoft would have learned by now that power does not equal success in gaming. They started touting power with the OG Xbox which was the most powerful and they still had less than 25% of the sales of the PS2.
Everyone needs to stop worrying so much about "power"....starting with Microsoft
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It's got GOTY potential right now. If you like games that are simply a joy to play, but maybe aren't the most deep, you will love this.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
1. It has the same settings on both consoles.
2. It doesn't use native 4K on either console. It runs on 1080p on both XSX and PS5. PS5 has better frame rate performance in that mode.
ethomaz
Banned
Neither is native 4k... it uses a dynamic render resolution plus reconstruction tech to reach 4k.
Same quality/assets/textures/etc.
That is the RT 120Hz mode... 1080p fixed resolution.
The 120Hz without RT is "This mode retains a 3840x2160 target resolution, but achieves it using image reconstruction techniques - effectively smart upscaling from a smaller native resolution."
Same settings like you said.
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Agnostic2020
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Not really , the % difference in resolution between ps4 and x1 from 2013 stayed the same till 2020.
JackMcGunns
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LivingD3AD
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What’s wrong with shadows in PS5 version?! 
Agnostic2020
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Its running the game with slightly worse performance(fps) and upto 30% lower resolution compared to ps5.
Agnostic2020
Member
He mentioned also in quality mode it has a bug but in performance mode(60fps) its fixedWhat’s wrong with shadows in PS5 version?!
Krisprolls
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Their business model is Gamepass now. It means they have to make generic PC like machines with not much custom hardware, the goal is to make their games run on as many platforms as possible with limited effort and cost.
That's why this model is better suited to AA games than to AAA exclusives. That, and the subscription cost that can't skyrocket either.
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Mister Wolf
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So the 60 fps mode is dynamic resolution and not native as well?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
So bugs are a valid excuse now?
diffusionx
Gold Member
LOL to think there were people on this forum months ago suggesting that the PS5 should not even be in the same price range as the Xbox Series X because it wasn't close enough in power to justify the cost
Look Xbox Series X is definitely a powerful system and the performance will improve over time no question. The biggest problem here is Microsoft's Marketing! They consistently choose to play the "POWER" narrative going back to the Xbox One X. It's "True 4k" this and "World's Most Powerful Console" every time they open their mouth. They did the same thing with the Series X leading up to launch. Power Power Power.
Then it comes out and even in isolation, the power is not very evident....since there are virtually no "next gen" games (i.e. games developed with Series X specs as a target) available at launch. Just cross gen and PC ports. Not a single 1st party game featuring ray-tracing (for example) and not a single 1st party game truly taking advantage of the velocity architecture yet.
Then you get to the comparison with PS5 and they are close as everyone (with sense) has been saying they would be for the past year. But in the vast majority of the cases so far, PS5 has the edge in both resolution and performance. People like myself (that actually know game development) have been screaming from the rooftops that you cannot just look at a system's specs and draw conclusions on real world performance! There is so much more involved in how a system actually runs a game and so many places for potential bottlenecks that will prevent the system from reaching it's max (theoretical) potential. Folks just didn't want to listen.
But if Microsoft themselves hadn't been screaming about "TFLOPS" and "Power" every second and just let the specs and games speak for themselves, I don't think the perception would be nearly as bad in terms of Xbox Series X as a "failure" or a "letdown" in any way. I said this before as well but you would think Microsoft would have learned by now that power does not equal success in gaming. They started touting power with the OG Xbox which was the most powerful and they still had less than 25% of the sales of the PS2.
Everyone needs to stop worrying so much about "power"....starting with Microsoft
Will the XSX performance improve over time? Maybe, maybe not. The Xbox One's really did not, at least relative to the PS4, and MS did all sorts of things to give resources back to devs (notably shut down Kinect entirely). The PS3 performance got better when devs stopped treating the Cell like a single core CPU, but in third party games, the entire gen, 360 was better most of the time. Maybe devs will say, hey, this level of XSX performance is acceptable, we have to get this game working on 600 different consoles, we're not optimizing for this one platform that has 20% of the market.
I agree the first party software is a huge issue for MS, but in their defense, how could they have known they were launching a $500 console this year?
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Bernd Lauert
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The VRR console wins again.
longdi
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Im thinking with dynamic resolution, should the test play through the whole game?
Resolution drops may be at different scenarios for different consoles, it may even come at different scenarios for the same console!
I dont think dynamic res is designed to always drop res at fixed points of the game.
How confident can we say that ps5 wont dynamic itself at 4k mode? Has vgtech test enough samples?
Resolution drops may be at different scenarios for different consoles, it may even come at different scenarios for the same console!
I dont think dynamic res is designed to always drop res at fixed points of the game.
How confident can we say that ps5 wont dynamic itself at 4k mode? Has vgtech test enough samples?
Agnostic2020
Member
Not at all. Loses by 30% worse resolution and slightly lower average frames . Sorry bud
THE DUCK
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At some point all fans need to just let it go and realize both machines are great. The "Sony is awesome because it has less cu's and still is powerfull" is weaksauce in that both machines with a disc drive (which is pretty much the only system sony sold) are the same price.
For all of you who knock ms for saying the X is the world's most powerfull system - they could still be right, and if you were running ms you would have said it too.
Both systems handle multiplatform games well, there is no reason to be "upset" if you bought a series X for multiplatform games. They are until now including this game, 99% identical. Both systems will have exclusives that show the power of each respective system.
For all of you who knock ms for saying the X is the world's most powerfull system - they could still be right, and if you were running ms you would have said it too.
Both systems handle multiplatform games well, there is no reason to be "upset" if you bought a series X for multiplatform games. They are until now including this game, 99% identical. Both systems will have exclusives that show the power of each respective system.
ethomaz
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Normal Mode (60fps): 3840x2160 native.
High Frame-Rate Mode (120fps): DRS targeting 3840x2160 (uses reconstruction tech to output 4k).
Ray Tracing Performance Mode (60fps?): 1080p native.
Ray Tracing Quality Mode (60fps): DRS targeting 3840x2160 (uses reconstruction tech to output 4k).
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I will say though, this makes me laugh about the time months ago when Epic showed off their PS5 tech demo for Unreal engine 5 and it was running at 1440p at 30 FPS. Saw a lot of Xbox fanboys laughing claiming PS5 was weakstation and couldn’t run it at 4K where as the Xbox could. Remember, this is many months before we actually saw real Series X gameplay. Kind of ironic now that the PS5 version of this game is running at a native 4K and the Series X isn’t. It is what it is. 
Krisprolls
Banned
No, XSX doesn't look better on paper either, unless you don't understand the way those machines work. PS5 has custom hardware everywhere that Series X doesn't have. Things like unified L3 CPU cache are huge for latency in high framerate modes. This single factor is more important than CPU / GPU raw power for high framerate modes, hence why PS5 always wins in every game in 120 fps modes.
Variable frequency also gives you TONS more power than fixed frequency where you have to guess before releasing the hardware what the maximum workload will be and the heat it'll produce. You have to guess pretty low or you get a PS4 Pro jet engine. Variable frequency like on PS5 ensures you you get the absolute maximum from your GPU at any time.
And that's without talking about custom Geometry Engine which is a much more efficient solution than VRS. Or special I/O hardware, cache and cache scrubbers...
But people here see a number of Tetrafloops (TM) and think they understand nuclear theory. It's in their heads. Time to stop gobbling up everything Phil Spencer says. Especially since it's marketing and MS has been lying for years on exclusives. Xbox fanboys got what they deserved here.
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saintjules
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Same. Best of both worlds.
AgentP
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Anything close is a L for MS, they are supposed to be 20-30% faster. Any outright loss like this one is a huge L. At this point Xbox has no clear smackdown or big W, just a few "if you squint your eyes in this one mode for this one scene it XSX pulls ahead" which is not what folks were boasting before the gen started. They said Xbox will have native 4k games while PS5 will resort to upscaling or dynamic.
I'm sure as the gen goes on Xbox will gain ground and maybe pull ahead regularly, but this is a good example of design choices IMO. Design for scalability and low end including data centers/cloud versus one singular design as a pure game console. I also think the container/VM design that enables Xbox feature like quick resume and BC, also has a overhead which leeches performance.
I'm sure as the gen goes on Xbox will gain ground and maybe pull ahead regularly, but this is a good example of design choices IMO. Design for scalability and low end including data centers/cloud versus one singular design as a pure game console. I also think the container/VM design that enables Xbox feature like quick resume and BC, also has a overhead which leeches performance.
Mr Moose
Member
I just bought Cyberpunk and Ass Creed (enjoyed Watch_Dogs apart from some of the bugs and shitty RT), might have to pick this up, my 3rd Ubi title at launch-ish
Why does it look like he is eating Bride of Frankenstein?
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Leyasu
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Do you think that this is the limit of the next gen systems? Some RDR2 back compat on the XsX and TLOU2 on the PS5 back compat would destroy both valhalla and Fenyx.
But yeah, if I follow your logic, then this is as good as it gets....
Mister Wolf
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Ok so my statement stands. When GPU constrained/limited at native 4K with no on the fly adjustments purely a horsepower race between GPUs the Series X prevailed. You aren't new to GPU benchmarks I'm sure. I've seen enough videos with people recommending not to use a games dynamic resolution scaler including Immortals Fenyx Rising with Karak/ACG saying not to use it.
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