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DF - Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
Md Ray
Member
It's around 22%.
Great Hair
Banned
ethomaz
Banned
I don’t get it.
The biggest doubts we talked in next-gen thread was about games being make with focus in PS5’s SSD... so cross-gen games won’t show the speeds Sony talked.
You can back early this year or even late last year and all talk was about that... so the fact MS was supporting Xbox One could the use of SSD in games.
So you need to give examples because most people I talked here in GAF never expected games not made to take advantage of SSDs to run at 2s or lower loading.
The biggest fear of all of us were old engines used in cross-gen games holding the use of the SSD and that is why a lot of us (including Xbox fans) keep saying you only see advantage in SSD in first party exclusives.
Games to take use of SSDs needs to be designed with SSD in mind...
The biggest example of that is that PC has SSDs for a decade already and games never showed big improvements in loadtimes like games that are designed to SSD are showing now.
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gooner4life_uk
Member
I was being creative in my reporting like Microsoft and DF are.
MightySquirrel
Banned
Im looking at 3080 vs 3070 here. Same arch.
A lower clocked 3080 has identical amount of ROPs as 3070 [96], but higher memory bandwidth, just like XBSX vs PS5, but obviously 3080 is much faster than 3070 [~30%]. In your explanation narrower 3070 should outperfrom wider lower clocked 3080.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Jesus the 15% wasn't the worst case for Series X, it was the minimum average gap throughout the clip! That's a massive gap in performance.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
no a 500 G is way to smal for a digital only console, and a new SSD wil cost you almost the same price as the Series S
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killatopak
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By first party using the SSD, I think of it as stuff like loading tons of data in-game and high quality textures similar to the UE5 demo being used a lot. The key is something that affects gameplay. I don’t expect third party to utilize this as not every console or PC can perform at that level due to the difference in SSDs.
The loading the level stuff is pretty straightforward and I had expected massive gains on that even on third party games. Either the Xbox is punching above its weight in loading or the PS5 is underperforming.
ethomaz
Banned
Neither is barely reaching half of the max bandwidth of the SSD... game logic is a bottleneck in all 3rd-party engines.
These 20s you wait in AC the SSD is waiting too... it is the CPU and/or GPU that is taking all this time to do it job.
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gooner4life_uk
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An RTX 3070 has 64 ROPS vs 96 RTX 3080 and vs 112 RTX 3090.
Romulus
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The performance gains we're seeing for PS5 is about what many expected in XSX's favor, or more. Went exactly the opposite as expected lol and COD and other games are also showing similar performance gains so this isn't just one engine.
Multiplatforms being a hair better on XSX was one its "big" bonuses, and it can't even manage that.
Multiplatforms being a hair better on XSX was one its "big" bonuses, and it can't even manage that.
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Sejanus
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Wrong
Rtx 3070 has 96rops
MasterCornholio
Member
I'm guessing they just said they wanted 12TFs and that's what happened. I still believe the XSX is more powerful but if it doesn't win multiplatform comparisons in the future then the 12TFs is just a marketing figure and nothing more.
MightySquirrel
Banned
I'll take your word on it as that would make sense. I just looked at techpowerup as they're usually pretty accurate on this.
bitbydeath
Member
It’s impressive but if devs start utilising the SSD like we had saw with the UE5 demo then the gap will grow even wider than what we see here.
Imagine if PS5 multiplats rework their engines to stream textures (could even be 8K). This is PS5’s true hardware advantage.
It’s going to be a very interesting generation.
Imagine if PS5 multiplats rework their engines to stream textures (could even be 8K). This is PS5’s true hardware advantage.
It’s going to be a very interesting generation.
People waiting for Xbox Series X tools will be hurt when games actually start using next generation features because PS5 is better equip for the memory streaming for higher level of detail assets.
These cross gen games are actually Xbox Series S/X safe place unless they come up with some good ideals for ML.
These cross gen games are actually Xbox Series S/X safe place unless they come up with some good ideals for ML.
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ethomaz
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RTX 3079 has 96 ROPs.
You can count them (small blue squares).
nVidia disabled 2 SMs but not the ROPs for it.
BTW 64 ROPs makes no sense even if nVidia disabled the ROPs it should be 92ROPs yet.
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buenoblue
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Gotta say I'm very surprised. I'm getting PS5 tommorow (UK) as I already have a decent pc, but I was certain that xbox series x would run multplats significantly better. I even said on a few posts that specs don't lie. Sony did great stuff here and after dissing Cerny in various threads, I apologise. Hats off sir, guess he did know his shit all along.
Can't wait to get my hands on the PS5 Beast tommorow, has been agonising watching all these vids knowing it's out in some territories.
Can't wait to get my hands on the PS5 Beast tommorow, has been agonising watching all these vids knowing it's out in some territories.
Seems like Xbox's disingenuous marketing has caught a few people out. I feel bad for them
I told people over & over that PS5 had the straight forward rendering advantage but they thought I was just a troll
Romulus
Member
The problem with that is closing the gap. While XSX is improving, so does PS5.
Screen tearing isn't an issue when one console has VRR but the FPS drops are definitely an issue.
It's like the X1X and Pro have switched positions but they were not supposed to have based on paper specs.
Early days but still interesting, wonder what MS is thinking? Is it just a matter of PlayStation being the lead platform and getting more dev time and nothing they can do or is it down to hardware/software inefficiencies?
That torch scene with a big gap in fps screams of something that can be easily patched.
It's like the X1X and Pro have switched positions but they were not supposed to have based on paper specs.
Early days but still interesting, wonder what MS is thinking? Is it just a matter of PlayStation being the lead platform and getting more dev time and nothing they can do or is it down to hardware/software inefficiencies?
That torch scene with a big gap in fps screams of something that can be easily patched.
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BS right here it's not just tools PS5 have the advantage for rendering unless it's compute rendering & it might still have the advantage there because the higher clock rate of the internal cache.
Craig of War
Banned
On Series X, framerate just seems to tank whenever using a torch lol.
NullZ3r0
Banned
Tools won't give the PS5 2 more TFLOPs and 16 more Compute Units.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
How many more tflops and compute units will your tools give the SX?
And tools will not give Xbox Series X higher pixel rate & triangle output
ethomaz
Banned
From the best thread in GAF thanks to Donarido.
Regarding all the talk about Xbox dev tools maturity, Fafalada (game dev and long-time member here and other boards) said on Ree that GDK/gamecore is more mature than all previous Xbox generations SDKs at launch. And also better than what other consoles had at launch in the past. Basically another source corroborating what the Dirt 5 developer has said about Xbox dev tools.
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GHG
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Imagine paying $500 to wait 6 months.
Krappadizzle
Member
Egg on the face is deserved, especially with that damn guy. But pointing to that guy in particular isn't a good source to begin with. That dude is a known Xbox Zealot. Anything he says should be taken with.....actually, no one should really be listening to him to begin with. I am more than willing to call a stone a stone, I don't have a dog in the race, but we can extrapolate from past data that we will start to see better performing multiplats on the XsX. Ubisoft isn't a great measuring stick on tech. They never have been. They have a lot of great tech that they don't put a ton of effort into, so it's not surprising to me to see these results in Valhalla. As it stands, past data extrapolation doesn't work for this title, but I DO think we'll see differences moving ahead as we start to pull away from last-gen. We'll see. I don't really give a shit who wins as I'll eventually get both consoles like I've always done. I just think it'd be foolhardy to rubber-stamp a statement that says PS5 will have the best multiplats going forward when the likelihood of that being true is pretty low.
Hawking Radiation
Member
JESUS tapdancing CHRIST.
Also that's the thing with Xbox. It's always a 'Wait & See' with them.
No wonder he blocked Jaffe on twitter. These guys are calling out Xbox and it's not like these claims are false or made up. They royally fucked their own launch.
Stilton Disco
Member
I still find it hard to believe that more mature development tools are meant to suddenly take us from a situation where you're seeing a 25% lower performance in places, to the expected 20% or more better it was made out to be.
I'm not saying it can't happen mind, but it would be totally unprecedented in the 30 years of gaming I've experienced.
Besides which, even if they are more mature, the tools will still improve and show gains on PS5 too. It's not like there will be no further refinement or innovation on the other end.
It just feels like even those with technical knowledge were so certain of what the results were going to be, that they're unable to accept that that assumption was wrong, and are looking for any reason they can think of to keep their preconceived notions going.
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Yoboman
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Every dying man takes a last gasp
Yup, all this milk will turn sour and rotten.
Look where that TFLOPs talk got people looking stupid because it's the only thing they know.
That extra compute is just like the SPUs on PS3 if devs can't come up with a useful use for it it is useless.
If we still had week Jaguar CPUs in these consoles the extra compute would help more & devs would be moving stuff from the CPU to the GPU early but for now it will be rare to see devs pushing the limits of GPU compute.
That extra compute is just like the SPUs on PS3 if devs can't come up with a useful use for it it is useless.
If we still had week Jaguar CPUs in these consoles the extra compute would help more & devs would be moving stuff from the CPU to the GPU early but for now it will be rare to see devs pushing the limits of GPU compute.
Redlancet
Banned
Dude, with all the crow xbox fanboys are eating i doubt your will leave anything for the future, those birds are going the way of the dodo
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Screen tearing is most definitely an issue when the vast majority of the people buying the game will not have a VRR capable HDTV at home. The devs should fix this ASAP.
ethomaz
Banned
Bookmarking this post to laugh again six months later.
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Yoboman
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BaneIsPain
Member
3rd party first round winner, PS5.
Im waiting for a video with this guy in the picture, it'll be really funny!So for now:
-DMC V SE: No winner (DF)
-Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 (NXG, VG Tech, DF)
-Observer System Redux : PS5 (Gamespew)
-Call Of Duty Black Ops Cold War: PS5 (VG Tech)
Not bad for a 8Tf machine oc with rdna 1.05 only
