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David Jaffe questions if Sony missteps are down to management (Max_Po tries to create drama, misuses English, new thread privileges at risk!!)
SentientStone
Member
Gloomnivore
Member
His points are valid but don’t equate to PS5 doing N64 numbers. Sony is launching with Demon’s Souls and just announced Final Fantasy XVI exclusivity and it won’t end there. This isn’t Nintendo being left to fend for itself.
SaturnSaturn
Member
how the tables turn once has a slightly negative opinion about Sony lol, will you guys manage to chase him off the forum like you did with John from Digital Foundary?
MS did good job in subscription level service. Sony slept on their laurels with PS Now, which was so far ahead few years ago. It depends. Subscription and everything "....as a service" is modern now. And its not bad. Sony will have to react somehow.
MS is still not profitable with gamepass. From todays point of view it has not good business model. But if there will be 50 million subscribers (just shot it out randomly) maybe it will start to make money and Sony will be in bigger trouble than now.
Im just curious if Sony has some plan for the future according to PS Now, PS + and generaly Games as a service. If it doesnt have a plan, its bad. Otherwise I think Sony will be ok.
MS is still not profitable with gamepass. From todays point of view it has not good business model. But if there will be 50 million subscribers (just shot it out randomly) maybe it will start to make money and Sony will be in bigger trouble than now.
Im just curious if Sony has some plan for the future according to PS Now, PS + and generaly Games as a service. If it doesnt have a plan, its bad. Otherwise I think Sony will be ok.
lol davidjaffe isn't going anywhere for long there are too many potential subscribers here.
Noboru Wataya
Banned
Where does he say Sony will do n64/GameCube numbers? Time stamp please as I can’t find it.
bender
What time is it?
Jaffe has the stones to call Audi out on his Kickstarter shenanigans.
I still love you John.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Admirer of Jaffe, God of War wouldn't be where it is today if not for this man sowing the seed while at Sony Santa Monica. But Jaffe has off late gone off rails and been sounding little too bitter you know the like folks at Giant Bomb or even like Garry Whitta who recently in the Greg Miller podcast, he sounded too salty saying Sony isn't doing jack shit and that Xbox has the lead blah blah.
Balducci30
Member
No the average consumer won’t be aware of them at all. But certain strategies will impact the average consumer - such as the subscription model vs paying more for individual exclusive games. It’s not an unimportant development in the industry and the two differing philosophies may change the landscape of the industry. I have no idea nor do I care how that plays out as I will have both systems and use whichever I think is best on a case by case basis.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
fair enough.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Sony mgmt ain't the best right now, but "N64 / Gamecube numbers" is a Pachter-tier prediction.
Tschumi
Member
I think what you're trying to say is that Sony certainly haven't mimic'd xbox's narrative. That narrative is a long way away from being relevant.
You guys have a fire under you for god knows what reason, but the same points that were relevant a week ago remain relevant today.
Sony are giving us a new console generation. People have bought games in the past, they'll buy happily if they're good enough - that's Sony's sole social contract. If they fail, all you'll see from me is a blink. They're reinventing multiple fundamental parts of game consoles. Their marketing has clearly been based around generating word of mouth, and it's been hugely successful. Dualsense was the fastest liked gaming tweet in history, from memory~
Xbox - who clearly designed their console with plans to challenge Sony for AAA games, but have given it up for some reason - are just coming up with as many performs to sell, and sell for - for which they will produce cheap, addictive rinse and repeat style multiplayer games - as possible to make up for having a piddling market share vs. Nintendo and Sony. xBox are cynically buying up every developer they can - clearly hoping that one of them will have a gem in their pocket - but you guys aren't painting that as monopolising, anti diversity cynicism, naturally~
Sony aren't innocent of micro-transactions and peddling addiction, but they still feel obligated to deliver bonefide big titles for people who invest in their premier system. Trying to reframe gaming by saying nobody wants to buy games, and anyone not offering a subscription model like Xbox are satan spawn, is not going to work on anyone who isn't an Xbox fan.
Who the hell cares he hasn't done anything in a million years. You need to be an active Sony developper to have an opinion on the PS5 ? Seriously...
We reach new bottoms every day...
replicant-
Member
I don't know about the N64 numbers lol, but from the outside the current management isn't necessarily ticking the right boxes.
I know under Ryan Europe was successful/profitable, but how much of that came from his influence?
One thing for sure the narrative in 2020 is completely different from 2013 - from a consumer point of view e.g. transparent comms, pricing, etc. We still haven't seen the hardware breakdown Cerny told us about in March - 6 months ago. People are looking at the price of the external XSX storeage, but at least MS is showing us their solution.
I know under Ryan Europe was successful/profitable, but how much of that came from his influence?
One thing for sure the narrative in 2020 is completely different from 2013 - from a consumer point of view e.g. transparent comms, pricing, etc. We still haven't seen the hardware breakdown Cerny told us about in March - 6 months ago. People are looking at the price of the external XSX storeage, but at least MS is showing us their solution.
replicant-
Member
Yes, because hardware sales at a potential loss/non-existent margin is the root of a successful business model.
Where did you study?
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It may provide context as to why he's saying something so wrong.
TBiddy
Member
It's embarrasing yeah. It's understandable why we have very few public figures here. If they dare speak ill of the Mothercompany, they get hunted down and attacked personally. Just see what happened to dark10x.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Wait, SonyGAF is mad at a game developer who paints Sony in a negative light?
Jaffe isn't right about the N64/GameCube era numbers, though he didn't really say that, but Microsoft is in a much better position than many of you realize.
Jaffe isn't right about the N64/GameCube era numbers, though he didn't really say that, but Microsoft is in a much better position than many of you realize.
Life
Member
The amount of people that will buy PS5 solely for playing the "new" Fifa is ridiculous. Then you have the JRPG market in Japan, which again, people will only buy a Nintendo or Sony console for. These two genres are probably enough to beat Microsoft altogether, honestly. I don't even own a PS4 and I don't need a PS5 - but just stating facts.
Subscription stategy is more profitable longterm.
Subscription stategy is more profitable longterm.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
He never says that in the video at all. It's a bad thread title.
He says that when making a decision on buying systems, Sony will be in a position similar to Gamecube, in that people will buy the system for the exclusives only. It will not have a power lead, or value lead, or services lead. It's leading only on the strength of its exclusives.
He basically is just saying Xbox is making good market decisions and handling the PR well.
WakeTheWolf
Member
You're still not wrong about the Series X though great value considering games are gonna be 80 euros in my country
Tiamat2san
Member
Incoherent management ?
oooh yeah.
N64 level of sale.....?
no, hahaha.
even if they crash this generation I can’t see them not selling 70/80 million consoles.
oooh yeah.
N64 level of sale.....?
no, hahaha.
even if they crash this generation I can’t see them not selling 70/80 million consoles.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Right on, seems like there's no issue, then.
Walter Matthau
Member
Exactly. Jaffe never says this at all. Thread should be locked.
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Birdo
Banned
I agree that something isn't right at Sony right now, with regard to management. But I have no doubt that the PS5 will do well, regardless.
I think the PS5 will have a first year very similar to the PS3. A slow adoption after the initial rush, but will eventually pick up after a price drop and revision.
I think the PS5 will have a first year very similar to the PS3. A slow adoption after the initial rush, but will eventually pick up after a price drop and revision.
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Aceofspades
Banned
I'm huge fan of GoW and Twisted Metal Jaffe.
I know midlife crisis can be rough sometimes, hope it passes soon
I know midlife crisis can be rough sometimes, hope it passes soon
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Yeah. He is. He should get some help.
An active sub will cost more at the end of this generation than a console with physical games but you'll have nothing. I'm ok with drinking tears from Game Pass dudes in 7 years when they'll spend 120€/& × 7 and have nothing.
Wizz-Art
Member
He has some very legit points about Xbox offering a much better value proposition through Game Pass and when that narrative catches on and the mainstream gets to know about they will start flocking more to Xbox, we see that already with the hardcore who aren't loyal to a brand that easily go where the best value is.
When word is coming out that Xbox just got Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, Doom, Dishonered, Wolfenstein, Prey, The Evil Within etc to their portfolio and you can play old and new games from those IP's through a Game Pass subscription there isn't a lot of doubt in my mind that people will start telling that to their innercircle because it's a no brainer deal and that word of mouth will sell Xbox Series consoles for sure.
When word is coming out that Xbox just got Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, Doom, Dishonered, Wolfenstein, Prey, The Evil Within etc to their portfolio and you can play old and new games from those IP's through a Game Pass subscription there isn't a lot of doubt in my mind that people will start telling that to their innercircle because it's a no brainer deal and that word of mouth will sell Xbox Series consoles for sure.
Barry Burton
Member
PS3 is what a failed Sony console looks like, and it still did around 75-80 million units sold.
The Playstation brand is strong, and Sony has never lacked third-party support in the ways that Nintendo has. For those reasons alone, the idea of them doing N64/GCN numbers is lunacy.
Sony's messaging has been poor, and I do think Xbox is poised to bounce back next generation. May even outsell Playstation in NA again. I think it's going to be closely contested, I don't see one console really wiping the floor with the other.
The Playstation brand is strong, and Sony has never lacked third-party support in the ways that Nintendo has. For those reasons alone, the idea of them doing N64/GCN numbers is lunacy.
Sony's messaging has been poor, and I do think Xbox is poised to bounce back next generation. May even outsell Playstation in NA again. I think it's going to be closely contested, I don't see one console really wiping the floor with the other.
thelastword
Banned
Sometimes I think Jaffe is bitter and regretful. He left Sony because he said he was burned out after making one triple AAA game. He said indies are it, none of his indies were worth a damn or garnered interest. Now contrary to everything that's quite obvious, which is that PS5 will dominate in sales and mindshare, he goes against the grain.......He can't be saying that with a good hunch or backed by obvious signs. He is only saying that to get some attention......No one asked you to leave AAA gaming Jaffe.......It's no one's fault that drawn to death was just that "Drawn to death"......
BaneIsPain
Member
Come on Jaffe, move on already.
Keihart
Member
I agree with Jaffe and it's why i think that PS better gets their shit together with first party for next gen, they have to increase turnover time and stop experimenting with putting games on PC. Charge 70 if you want for exclusives without micro transactions, but start making it a focus again, PS5 it's gonna live and die by WWS's output.
Also yes, please, give Kojipro a 50 M check every 3 years to make whatever he wants or buy that studio already and make it part of WWS.
Also yes, please, give Kojipro a 50 M check every 3 years to make whatever he wants or buy that studio already and make it part of WWS.
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Redlancet
Banned
A lot of these points can be applied to ms, and others doesnt make sense at all
JCK75
Member
Free is a bit of a stretch but not much of one.. the cost of one game on PS5 will pay for 4.6 months of gamepass.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Japan will once again save video games from impending doom. What id love to know is why their management went from what it was to what it is now. Did those people just stop caring? That’s nothing against who they have in charge now.
CobraAB
Member
That is absolutely tragic indeed.
Portugeezer
Member
I've seen a few of his videos, he is really on the Gamepass hype train and I don't blame him.
But lol.
But lol.
DonF
Member
Ooofff he lost me right there.
He is clearly on another wavelength. I bet he enjoys candy crush, greatly.
Radical Dreamer
Member
I just wish they would be upfront about their future plans towards pc gaming. Would save a lot of people buying PS5.
VFXVeteran seemed to be right when it comes to new management at playstation.
megamerican
Member
He says it around the 5:35 mark.